For more upside down reality, let's remember Israel is the Jewish punishment inflicted on a peoples totally innocent of any Holocaust persecution of European Jews. Palestinians are being made to pay for the crimes of Gentile Europeans and only a very tiny percentage of Americans care about this gross injustice that is the root cause of ALL our Middle East problems.
I've said it once. I'll say it again. If the Palestinians QUIT bombing... IF they lay down their weapons, and STICK WITH THAT, no phony ruses, you just see how fast peace can happen.
Rose, Palestinians did nothing to Jews in WW II. Until you and all Americans and all Westerners get beyond your bigotry that creates villains of people's trying only to stop foreign invaders from stealing their country, there will be no peace in the Middle East.
Palestinians are NOT the problem. European and American Jewish invaders of Palestine are the problem and will be until they are either removed or absorbed into the true Palestinian nationality.
Rose, are you aware that Jews living in Palestine before 1947 were called "Palestinian Jews"? It's Palestinians country, not European or American Jews country. Period. Israel is just the last ditch effort of European religious fanatics to take away a Third World people's nation and call it their own.
We European-descended Americans got away with it in the centuries where might ruled without international law but since international law has become strong, there's been no foreign colonization happening in the 20th century EXCEPT for Israel. Foreign colonization was wrong to begin with and it was and is totally unacceptable behavior by international law standards. Israel is given a pass because Europeans feel guilty over what they did to Jews in WW II. But it is completely morally wrong to make Middle East Palestinians pay the price for Israel's revenge on European Gentiles.
Time to get it right, Rose, and stop with the bigoted views of Palestinians who just might be people like you who have seen their country stolen by foreigners. What would you do if you had no military might to strike back at the foreign invaders, Rose? What would you do if you were facing the combined might of the world's strongest nations who did not care a fig about your human rights? What would you do, Rose, in that situation? Perhaps you would want to strike back not caring if you lived or died after seeing how life is year after year for all your countrymen--kept down, degraded, and utterly poor without hope of a future life. I want more empathy from you, Rose, because Zionism is evil pure and simple and supporting it as you and most Americans do makes America's sticking up for the little guy, for the weak and oppressed, a sick joke when it comes to Palestinians.
"Jews living in Palestine before 1947 were called "Palestinian Jews"
Mr. Lewis is correct.
And Irena Sendler's story should remind us that the notion that Catholics eagerly participated in the persecution of Jews under the Third Reich is false.
I get reports almost daily from this Palestinian activist group in Belin. Here's what happens when you PEACEFULLY protest the Israeli occupation.
"Two international activists and a Palestinian injured in Bilin Weekly Protest
f.f.j- Friday July 4, 2008 Three activists were injured by Israeli forces on Friday in the weekly protest against the separation wall in Bil¢in; west of Ramallah: two of them are French activists: Sonia Slo and Iman and the third one is Mohamad Ali Abo Sa'di 65 years, and dozens of protesters were treated for tear gas inhalation. Villagers from Bil¢in marched together with international and Israeli solidarity activists after Friday prayers, carrying Palestinian flags and banners demanding the removal of the Israeli wall and settlements and calling on the international community to lift the siege on Gaza and help Palestinians retain Jerusalem. Participants also demanded that the Israeli army stop killing Palestinian civilians and end the use of live ammunition against non-violent protesters. As they approached the separation wall, Israeli forces prevented the villagers from reaching the gate that is supposed to provide access to their lands, and opened fire on them with tear gas canisters, sound bombs, and rubber-coated metal bullets. Scores of protesters were treated for gas inhalation, On the other side on Thursday afternoon, the Israeli force released Ali Hamadan Abo Rahma 17 years old, who were arrested before four day when the army invade the village last week and attacked the houses of Mohammad Ali Yassin and Hamadan Ali Abo Rahama and terrorized the resident of the two houses and arrested Ali."
"Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: The Jews are yours."
Telegram sent via Deutsche Reichpost November 2, 1943:
"To the Grand Mufti: The National Socialist movement of Greater Germany has, since its inception, inscribed upon its flag the fight against the world Jewry. It has therefore followed with particular sympathy the struggle of freedom-loving Arabs, especially in Palestine, against Jewish interlopers. In the recognition of this enemy and of the common struggle against it lies the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between the National Socialist Greater Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the whole world. In this spirit I am sending you on the anniversary of the infamous Balfour declaration my hearty greetings and wishes for the successful pursuit of your struggle until the final victory.
Signed: Reichsfuehrer S.S. Heinrich Himmler"
Translated from the original German available here. Those bothersome jewish "interlopers" have been pesky in that area nigh on 3000+ years.
Hatred is what you get when you invade another people's country to try to take it away from them. Some people never learn.
There is absolutely no excuse for Europeans to slough their problems with Jews onto Palestinians who had zero involvement with European Jewish deaths. I am sure there were a lot more British upper class leaders who were just as willing to do in Jews as Hitler was. There's never been a shortage of hatred of Jews so one Palestinian Muslim leader does not stand out at all in a sea of over a billion Muslim haters of Jewish Israel.
The whole thing gets really sick and twisted when you discover all these "Jewish" people clamoring for a homeland in the Holy Land, 90% of all Jews, are not Semitic peoples at all but Eastern European and western Asian Jewish converts with no more Semitic ties to the Middle East than minute traces that every ethnic group carries of other groups through accidental or arranged marriages. I have lots of Ashkenazi genes from Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Austria-Hungary, Netherlands, but the farthest east my Ashkenazi "Jewish" dna goes is to Uzbekistan, no Semitic ancestry from the Middle East shows up.
So what Ashkenazis have done is hoodwink the whole Western world into believing these European-Asian converts are "Semites" with direct ancestral ties to ancient Israel. It gets worse. These European Ashkenazis are handed Palestine on a platter by the U.N. ruled by Western powers who want to get rid of the Jewish refugee problem. No problem, just put them in Palestine with the backwards sand nig..Arabs there and they'll be fine. Who cares about Arabs anyway?
Oh no, European Jews are white and more valuable than Arabs and they get Palestine, all of them from all over the world they can come. But those Arabs, no way can they come back to their land now that us Ashkenazis own or control 4/5ths of it now and working on the last fifth. We need trains to ship those Arabs out..
"Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today... No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough." -- Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, author of "Myths of the Middle East"
There has never been a Palestinian state in the history of the region. Palestine has never existed as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians.
I don't think anyone believes bombings are proper. Let's put ourselves in the Palestinians' position--would we accept being occupied by a foreign power? Don't think so.
I'm all for Israel. As a former Marine, I can say that the Israeli military is peerless. However, I cannot think--nor would I let--anyone invade me and tell me what to do.
Israel should leave Palestine. The United States will protect Israel, period. I will protect Israel.
stephen: "...Palestinians who had zero involvement with European Jewish deaths."
Of course, as Mr Lewis would have us believe, the Arabs of the former Ottoman satrapy of Palestine had "nothing to do with the slaughter of jews prior to the "dumping" of European refugees there (even though the British Labour government used the military to prevent it).
"The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin el-Husseini strongly intervened when Adolf Eichman tried to cut a deal with the British government to exchange German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who also could have fled to Palestine. The Mufti's protests with the SS were successful, as the children were sent to death camps in Poland instead. One German officer noted in his journals that the Mufti would liked to have seen the Jews "preferably all killed." On a visit to Auschwitz, he admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently. Throughout the war, he appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic message to the Arab masses back home.
Hitler's Mein Kampf currently ranks sixth on the best-seller list among Palestinian Arabs. Luis Al-Haj, translator of the Arabic edition, writes glowingly in the preface about how Hitler's "ideology" and his "theories of nationalism, dictatorship and race… are advancing especially within our Arab States." When Palestinian police first greeted Arafat in the self-rule areas of the West Bank, they offered the infamous Nazi salute - the right arm raised straight and upward.
The PLO and notably Arafat himself did not make a secret of their source of inspiration. The Grand Mufti el-Husseini is venerated as a hero by the PLO. It should be noted, that the PLO's top figure in east Jerusalem until recently, Faisal Husseini ( July 17, 1940 - May 31, 2001), was the grandson to the Führer's Mufti. Arafat also considered the Grand Mufti a respected educator and leader, and in 1985 declared it an honor to follow in his footsteps. Little wonder. In 1951, a close relative of the Mufti named Rahman Abdul Rauf el-Qudwa el-Husseini matriculated to the University of Cairo. The student decided to conceal his true identity and enlisted as "Yasser Arafat".
Foreign invasion is foreign invasion no matter which way you slice the historical pie and foreign invasion is a criminal act when it's done purely for self-aggrandizement of the invaders.
Europeans got away with murder of non-Europeans and land theft for over five centuries in North and South America, Australia and Africa because there was no one mighty enough to stop them plus no one cared in those days where might made right.
No so in the 20th Century when idiot European and American Ashkenazis manipulated the U.N. and the world into the international criminal act known as the establishment of Israel in 1947 without ONE SINGLE Palestinian's imput into that process even though Palestinians were the majority population in Palestine ever since the Jews were kicked out by the Romans in the 2nd century A.D. Arab Palestinians have been the majority population of Palestine for almost 2000 years. "Israel" as an ancient country existed no more than 350-400 years altogether. And Ashkenazis have no more ancestral claim to ancient Israel than Chinese Muslims would have to Mecca and Saudi Arabia.
Stop the Crime against Humanity that is Israel's occupation and oppression of the Palestinian peoples who had nothing to do with the Jewish holocaust in Europe. Two wrongs do not make a right and as long as Israel exists instead of Palestinians own country, there will be nothing but religious fanatical warfare.
Do not any of you understand that Europeans cannot get away with such blatant acts of Zionist racist prejudice that ignored the indigenous population of Palestine? That saw them exactly the same way using the same language as European Americans used when they went conquering the "savages". Look up how white people described local Native Americans in the 1850's and how they treated them, as if they were animals, not really human.
"A land without people and a people without land" was the Zionist equivalent of the mindset that allowed European-Americans to slaughter ndns wherever they found them in the way of "Manifest Destiny", the moral vanguard of "Eretz Yisrael".
In his judeophobia Stephen choses not to believe that Muslim/Arab hatred of Jews dates from Mohammed's wars of aggression in the 7th century AD because the Jews declined to accept the pedophile as the "final prophet". Arabs and Jewish tribes coexisted in relative peace for nearly two millennia prior to the pedophile's expulsion and slaughter of the Jewish communities of Mecca and Medina.
Let's hear it again. All together now: "Palestinians had zero to do with the European Holocaust." bwa! bwa! bwa! bwa!
Palestinians had ZERO to do with Nazis annihilating Jews. Zero. Zip. Nada. Nothing. And trying to drag up a 7th century religious competition is just plain stupid as well as immoral when used as justification for armed invasion and takeover of another people's country.
And fyi, do you know nothing about how well Jews and Muslims got along in the Middle East and Spain during the Middle Ages before the Catholics drove the Jews out of Spain in the late 1500's? Palestinian Jews got along pretty well with Palestinian Arabs for centuries until the Zionist movement happened and Ashkenazi European Jewish converts started coming into Palestine to claim it for "Israel", a country that only existed briefly after the fall of Canaan to Egypt's Tutmoses III, (very likely where the name "Moses" stems from after removing the pagan god Thoth-Tut from the name) only to be clobbered and swallowed up as occupied territory of Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, and then Romans who drove them out completely establishing Palestine for nearly 2000 years as Arab populated and controlled.
One can only wonder when the education of European-Americans will begin to establish the true history of Palestine instead of the Zionist propaganda that passes for "history". So many people deceived by false histories and religious ideologies..it's got to stop somewhere.
Education about the past and ancient hatreds does nothing to solve the murderous violence that goes on today. Grudges and bloodmatches, encouraged to be nourished like picking a festering wound is not going to make anything better.
Homeland bullcrap means nothing when your children are dying when there are retaliatory attacks fired into your neighborhood. I'd warrant most mothers would gladly move their families anywhere if it meant an end to that - the death of their babies (those that aren't brainwashed into thinking sending their teenager off to blow his body to smithereens in the process of murdering someone else's babies is a "noble" act (pays well, too)).
It's trite but Today is the first day of the rest of - time, of the future, of peace - IF the Palestinians STOP - and I mean truly STOP, Stephen, IF they lay down the suicide vests, and destroy the bombs, and pledge everlasting peace, you would be surprised I think, just how fast it would happen.
Nurturing resentment on centuries old wrongs and perceived wrongs only created more victims.
I've asked you before - what do they CREATE? Besides suicide vests and angry poems?
That simple act of creating rather than obliterating and defacing might go a long way towards healing their souls.
I know - I am no scholar of these things - but it is what I see - and very very clearly.
What do you make of Iran's threat to wipe Israel off the map or the earth? What about that?
What about the 1972 Olmpic games? Those Palestinians were great sports then right Steve?
Oh well why should I bother, you Steve will not change. As far as the Israeli's go from what I see, read, and hear is that if you don't mess with them they don't mess with you. If they are attacked they respond swiftly and violently and I don't have a problem with that. A government is supposed to protect it's citizens.
Rose, you're still living in a Zionist dreamworld where Israeli Jews coming in from all over the world have more rights as human beings than the native peoples living there with roots going back thousands of years unlike the Ashkenazi European Jewish converts masquarading as "Semitic Jews".
Your prejudice is not excusable, Rose, by repetition of it as you always do in these situations instead of stopping to seriously research the real history of Palestine, the real history of European Jewish conversion, and apply the same moral standards that you would use if a European country was invaded by peoples from non-European countries. What did the French do when the Nazis arrived, Rose? Some capitulated but others became the French Resistance which was ruthlessly brutal in killing anyone who betrayed them. The Palestinians have been in the equivalent of Nazi-occupied France for 60 years now, Rose. And here you are still trying to blame them for what you and all Americans and Europeans gave a pass on French doing exactly what Pals are doing, resisting foreign invasion and occupation. Muslims use suicide bombing as their weaponry--it isn't just a Palestinian thing but all over the Muslim world. To a Palestinian mother, Rose, an F-16 fighter jet bearing down on your family shooting rockets at you and killing your children is just as horrific as a suicide bombing is to a Jewish mother.
Stop the ignorance of real history. And stop blaming people for doing what freedom demands, what you would do under the circumstances, resisting with everything you could to stop the invaders in their tracks.
God does not want "Israel" as the name of the Holy Land because it's false history and worse spirituality to give Middle East land over to European ownership and control.
You're right. I don't care a whit about the history. What matters is NOW, what they do NOW. Today. Right now.
If they want peace, right now, what will it take? It will take them stopping the bombings, stopping the killing of innocent civilians in pizza parlors, and open themselves up to living with others as part of the human race.
The entire WORLD has tired to help them. Israel conceded to almost ALL of their demands, and when they got it they turned their backs and began killing anew.
I applaud Israel's defending itself. Our own nation ought to take a lesson.
History be damned, the crusades be damned.
Today! Lay down the hate and the weapons and the suicide vests, get rid of the murderous leaders that were recently elected.
This truly is a case of if you do it peace will come. (Unless the rest of the middle easterners decide to meddle.)
This is a textbook case.
Be brave. Take the risk/
What've you got to lose? Hint: Not more of your teenage sons.
Rose, stop being a closed-minded bigot, please! I can't stand it from you. What does it take for you to understand the situation for Palestinians? You just repeat and repeat a solution that is not a solution at all but only demanding the caving in of Palestinians to European invasion and destruction of their country.
Rose, I am a prophet on this one and I will tell you in no uncertain terms that Palestinians are as determined to take back their country as the Vietnamese were. They both stood up to American supported takeover schemes and the Vietnamese won as will the Palestinians once America's might is taken away from supporting the puppet regime, Israel, there only as America's and Europe's colonial eye and guard tower on Middle East oil reserves.
Rose, it's time for you to have lunch with me at Jack and Rose's E&J Liquors in Rio Dell that they inherited and run and start talking to a real live Palestinian family so you will begin to understand why they resist.
Good. We'll move all the Israelis out and they can have their own nice little country without any outsiders, no industry and no need to be tolerant. Then, emboldened by success, they can start making demands of other countries, because they now now that if they are just vicious and recalcitrant they will get what they want.
Nice.
And, Stephen, I'm sure your friends are good people. And that there are many, even millions of good people. But Iraq had millions of good people and they let Saddam do what he did, and every single nation has good people who allow these horrific leaders to perpetuate a murderous regime.
You hate Bush, but you excuse them? It makes no sense. You want disarmament, but only from the peaceful nations.
Palestinian school children shot by Israeli solders. A Palestinian woman in labor has baby while being detained at Israeli checkpoint. Israeli settlements honey comb Palestinian land. A trip that would take forty minutes will take many hours for a Palestinian crossing Israeli checkpoints. Israel takes Palestinian land, diverts Palestinian water, bulldozes Palestinian homes and crop lands.
The Palestinians have recognized ceasefires only to be attacked by Israeli armed forces under the guise of a surgical military strike to kill a terrorist. Missiles often doing the surgery. More Palestinians are killed this way than are Israelis killed by suicide bombers. The propaganda printed in Israeli and American newspapers is always some version of PALESTINIANS ATTACK, ISRAEL RETALIATES. Terrorism comes in many forms. It can happen at an Israeli controlled checkpoint or a Palestinian classroom filled with nine year old children. It can happen when an Israeli Pilot in an American made F16 shoots a missile into a crowded Palestinian neighborhood.
The Iranian President never said that he wanted to destroy Israel. But what American backed Israel is and has been doing is waging genocide on the Palestinians.
But, Rose isn't going to smoke that pipe.
The amount of propaganda the American people endure on a daily basis insures that a large percentage of it's citizens will be brain damaged. Sadly, Rose is a victim of programed emotional response and will never calmly reassess what she "knows" about that part of the world - which is very little, indeed.
No gays. No messy debate over the sanctity of marriage. You know that document that says a man can kill his wife if she looks at another man? No premarital sex either. Stonings assure that.
None of that chaos that reigns in America. No sex on TV or anywhere else. No "I don't have a thing to wear!" either. All those anxieties are removed for women, no costly cosmetics needed, because no one is ever going to see your face again, the sunlight will never touch your face... yeah that "no gays in my country" kind of religion...
That seems to be what "progressives" are for - blinded by a strange illness.
You should HOPE we spread our way of life with freedom of all those basic choices, good, bad or indifferent, you still get to choose.
Israel represents the endangered species. They go, so do you.
And good Iraqi people allowed Saddam to rule over them. Lucky they had oil so that America could come and liberate it from a foreign currency. How happy the good Iraqi people are to be liberated by their foreign occupiers. Shame on Iran for not joining America and Israel against Palestinians. What great strides gay rights have made here in America. What a long way they have to go for equal rights. But at least we treat gays better here than Iran, for the most part. You aren't deep, Rose
Yeah. We're really reaping the benefits of all that oil we are stealing as we rape and pillage, destroy all their ballot boxes and forbid them to vote like we do.
Rose, you are showing a rather shallow viewpoint that is filled with Zionist anti-Muslim, anti-Arab propaganda.
You and Americans like you all easily forget, why I don't know because you are intelligent enough to know better, that Israel blooms because of all the money we've thrown their way plus the weaponry to wage continuous war against the local native population. Rose, what would Palestine be like today if Pals had received billions of dollars per year as Israelis do.
Israel's economy is America's baby from the get-go. Without continuous American financial and military support Israel would not exist. Period. It's occupation of Palestine is so foreign that even after 60 years, three generations of Israelis Jews, they are virtually in their own giant-size ghetto called "Israel" while making bantustan ghettos for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.
It is more of a political mess I grant you because of the Muslim extremists who have risen to power throughout the Middle East in REACTION to foreign invasion and domination for control of Middle East oil reserves, the biggest one outside of SA, firmly in the U.S. pocket, is Iraq.
Islam will not survive Israel either, btw, as this is all about God's way of changing the whole Abrahamic religious fanaticism that creates these vicious Abrahamic wars for territorial control.
Do all of you know that Israelis base all their occupation of Palestine on the words in Genesis where God blesses Abraham and all his progeny through Isaac? Do you know Muslims base their opposition to Israel on their interpretation of Genesis where God blesses Abraham and gives the land of Canaan to Ishmael and all of his descendants?
Now, do any of you know that "Abraham" was himself a Hindu Vedic god, the god of creation, Brahma, who was worshiped in India along with his consort Saraisvati who in the Genesis retelling of the myth has her named changed from Sarai to Sarah? That Melchizedek is the mythical Hindu prince with magical powers Meliksadaksina? And that the whole Hebrew notion of seeing themselves as a race of priests of God who are above all others as God's voice to humankind, is the direct ideology of the Brahmin caste in India. Judaism is Brahminism in Near Eastern form. This is why there have been rumors of Jesus' spending time in India because there's a deep spiritual need to reconnect the Hindu Vedic Brahmin traditions that underly the Abrahamic religious warfare. This is why Israel is the center piece for establishing world peace. Abrahamic religionists are still very much out of control and armed to the teeth with weapons.
Only Jesus and John the Baptist in the New Testament seem to be aware as prophets that there was a problem with the spiritual authority deriving from Abraham. "If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this." -John 8:39,40.
The Iraqi Government just signed contracts with American oil companies to upgrade oil recovery infrastructure. President Bush circumvented congress while seeking agreement with Iraqi Government to get OK for 59 permanent American military bases. American oil majors have signed contracts with Iraq that give them concessions that enrich them and leave Iraq war torn and it's people destitute. You just have to be patient, Rose. Steeling another countries resources isn't like robbing the corner 7-11. But if you are expecting the price of gas to go down - it is not going to happen. And if you think we have to stay in Iraq to stabilize and secure it for the Iraqi people, I would argue that we went in there to destabilize that country to make it possible to get control of the Iraqi oil fields through contracts with the government that we helped to install there. So now American citizens are holding the bill for the war, the occupation, the American military bases, and the rebuilding of Iraqi infrastructure - money spent for nothing in the latter case - and the American people get high energy prices and economic destruction of the middle class in return. You will never "get it", Rose.
Arvan Trucking Co. is the latest casualty of American foreign policy controlled by Wall Street. Our current economic pain is nothing compared to what is coming.
"What do you make of Iran's threat to wipe Israel off the map or the earth? What about that?"
Perhaps anon could find some determination to find a translation into the statement made by Ahmadinejad. Quite different that the media's version of wiping Israel off of the map.
All that's necessary to understand why Palestinians continue to fight against Israelis is to review the real history of what's happened to them and what's still happening to them through the horror that was imposed on them as "Israel" in 1947.
I am reading a novel by Richard North Patterson called "Exile" that is excellent for giving a glimpse of what life is like if your Palestinian and live in the West Bank or Gaza. The way Israelis have created a situation that Nazis would admire because Israeli Jews have discovered the secret Himmler never attained with state-controlled propaganda, link your cause to America's economic self-interest in the Middle East and European racism against Arab peoples. It worked well for years until really the Internet foiled it with truth of Palestinians becoming reported outside the anti-Arab American media.
Racism cannot hold up under the spotlight and Israel's racism will doom that spiritual abortion and monstrosity of a religious racist nation that America and Europeans created. Israel will go the way of white racist South Africa. Sorry, but that's what happens when white Europeans fail to overpopulate their new Third World homelands. Israelis are trying hard to insure that doesn't happen by importing millions of Russian "Jews" but that only furthers racist attitudes in Israelis and compounds the crime of foreign invasion and occupation.
You know, for being credited as more-than-average intelligent people, it just goes to show that ethnic narcissism can and will destroy moral decision-making in otherwise smart people. I'm sure there were plenty of smart people in South African government before Mandela took his country back.
It is a Sign from God that Paxcalibur was sent to Arab Israelis in Nazaret and not to Israelis. Palestinians will eventually get their own country and Israel will be absorbed in the process.
Wasn't this a post about the heroism of a woman who risked her life to save babies and children from being gassed to death in Concentration Camp death chambers? To save Jewish babies and children from the horrors of the hatreds that rage against Jewish people?
And how has that become advocating for the obliteration of these people?
What happened in Germany created a rift in the Universe that the entire globe must work to repair. That means keeping these people safe. No matter what.
I'll say it again, Stephen, and you are usually and advocate for Peace - if the Palestinians want peace they have to become peaceful.
Rose, until it gets through your prejudiced mindset that Jews have committed a Crime Against Humanity, there will be no peace in the Holy Land. Two wrongs do not make a right and Jews with yours and American complicity are making Palestinians pay for European crimes against Jews.
What will it take for you to see that you and Americans cannot dictate what happens in a Middle Eastern country that is populated by Middle Easterners, not Westerners as Israel has attempted to do following the example of past European colonization of Third World countries.
And Rose, Jews are not "special" in the way you and they think they are. I know this because I've delved heavily into Jewish religious history and know as spiritual visionary that God has placed upon Jews and Judaism the burden of terribly false teaching that would only become apparent when social evolution, specifically the democracy movement, surpassed religious stranglehold on civilization.
The Jews are the key linchpin in the coming overthrow of all Abrahamic religious authority because the original spiritual error derived from them, the error of exclusive monotheism, the basis for racist and religious intolerance and social violence.
Hamas too will fall with the fall of Israel because Islam suffers the same spiritual disease of intolerance as Judaism. No more passes for Jews, fundamentalist Christians, or Muslims, when it comes to committing crimes against humanity in the name of God.
(I've been getting new religious insights this past weekend so I'm fired up prophesy-bearing-wise. A real biggie came that has tied together an older vision of mine, God's Cosmic Plan, with the Son of Man concept, another indicator of spiritual authority moving beyond the Abrahamic religious traditions)
Your religious insights are always revealing and make for an interesting read, Stephen. I always feel like I understand those ancient times a little better when I read what you have to say about them.
No bridges to sell, but an interest in Stephen's scholarly insights pertaining to tensions in Israel and the wider Middle East. He has much to say on the subject that I could learn from. Please let him speak. Not everyone is as closed minded on the plight of Palestinians, Rose, as you are. Human rights should be given to all people. Your harsh opinion of Palestinians seems to be based on your inability to separate those that are tying to survive peacefully while living under deadly conditions imposed by Imperial powers from those that legitimately fight back using terrorist tactics. But, if you were a Palestinian, you would realize that terror tactics were being used on you. I truly value what Stephen has to say on this subject. There will be no peace until the USA stops supporting genocide with it's money and weapons. Clearly, Stephen has more to say on this. Your racial and religious prejudice do not inform, Rose, nor do they open your mind.
Thanks, fan. If you are the same one who was there at the Unitarian Fellowship Hall when I talked with Dr. Hanan Awwad, please know that this new burst of spiritual information is reawakening my spiritual mission which got subsumed by the Heartlands Project. Like to know who it is who sees the value of what I am sent to do.
Rose, I talked with Jack today of Jack and Rose, the Palestinians in Rio Dell who run E & J's Liquors like good Muslims(!)(actually they inherited the store from the foreclosure of the last tenant). Rose will be returning from Jerusalem on Friday and he says come on by next week. He says he's got a church group coming in who also are prejudiced against Pals. Jack and Rose are busy earning high marks in Rio Dell as compassionate business owners. You talk with the many Rio Dellites who know these two Palestinians and you won't find the typical American "oh, evil terrorists!" response. Come and see for yourself, Rose.
For more upside down reality, let's remember Israel is the Jewish punishment inflicted on a peoples totally innocent of any Holocaust persecution of European Jews. Palestinians are being made to pay for the crimes of Gentile Europeans and only a very tiny percentage of Americans care about this gross injustice that is the root cause of ALL our Middle East problems.
ReplyDeleteI've said it once. I'll say it again. If the Palestinians QUIT bombing... IF they lay down their weapons, and STICK WITH THAT, no phony ruses, you just see how fast peace can happen.
ReplyDeleteThey are the obstacle, and the only obstacle.
Rose, Palestinians did nothing to Jews in WW II. Until you and all Americans and all Westerners get beyond your bigotry that creates villains of people's trying only to stop foreign invaders from stealing their country, there will be no peace in the Middle East.
ReplyDeletePalestinians are NOT the problem. European and American Jewish invaders of Palestine are the problem and will be until they are either removed or absorbed into the true Palestinian nationality.
Rose, are you aware that Jews living in Palestine before 1947 were called "Palestinian Jews"? It's Palestinians country, not European or American Jews country. Period. Israel is just the last ditch effort of European religious fanatics to take away a Third World people's nation and call it their own.
We European-descended Americans got away with it in the centuries where might ruled without international law but since international law has become strong, there's been no foreign colonization happening in the 20th century EXCEPT for Israel. Foreign colonization was wrong to begin with and it was and is totally unacceptable behavior by international law standards. Israel is given a pass because Europeans feel guilty over what they did to Jews in WW II. But it is completely morally wrong to make Middle East Palestinians pay the price for Israel's revenge on European Gentiles.
Time to get it right, Rose, and stop with the bigoted views of Palestinians who just might be people like you who have seen their country stolen by foreigners. What would you do if you had no military might to strike back at the foreign invaders, Rose? What would you do if you were facing the combined might of the world's strongest nations who did not care a fig about your human rights? What would you do, Rose, in that situation? Perhaps you would want to strike back not caring if you lived or died after seeing how life is year after year for all your countrymen--kept down, degraded, and utterly poor without hope of a future life. I want more empathy from you, Rose, because Zionism is evil pure and simple and supporting it as you and most Americans do makes America's sticking up for the little guy, for the weak and oppressed, a sick joke when it comes to Palestinians.
"Jews living in Palestine before 1947 were called "Palestinian Jews"
ReplyDeleteMr. Lewis is correct.
And Irena Sendler's story should remind us that the notion that Catholics eagerly participated in the persecution of Jews under the Third Reich is false.
I understand Shindler was mostly myth but this woman was real and we've never heard of her before. A true heroine.
ReplyDeleteI get reports almost daily from this Palestinian activist group in Belin. Here's what happens when you PEACEFULLY protest the Israeli occupation.
ReplyDelete"Two international activists and a Palestinian injured in Bilin Weekly Protest
f.f.j- Friday July 4, 2008 Three activists were injured by Israeli forces on Friday in the weekly protest against the separation wall in Bil¢in; west of Ramallah: two of them are French activists: Sonia Slo and Iman and the third one is Mohamad Ali Abo Sa'di 65 years, and dozens of protesters were treated for tear gas inhalation.
Villagers from Bil¢in marched together with international and Israeli solidarity activists after Friday prayers, carrying Palestinian flags and banners demanding the removal of the Israeli wall and settlements and calling on the international community to lift the siege on Gaza and help Palestinians retain Jerusalem. Participants also demanded that the Israeli army stop killing Palestinian civilians and end the use of live ammunition against non-violent protesters.
As they approached the separation wall, Israeli forces prevented the villagers from reaching the gate that is supposed to provide access to their lands, and opened fire on them with tear gas canisters, sound bombs, and rubber-coated metal bullets. Scores of protesters were treated for gas inhalation,
On the other side on Thursday afternoon, the Israeli force released Ali Hamadan Abo Rahma 17 years old, who were arrested before four day when the army invade the village last week and attacked the houses of Mohammad Ali Yassin and Hamadan Ali Abo Rahama and terrorized the resident of the two houses and arrested Ali."
Their own Independence Day may mean a great deal to Palestinians some day as it does all peoples who cherish their countries.
ReplyDelete"Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: The Jews are yours."
ReplyDeleteFormer Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini
Telegram sent via Deutsche Reichpost November 2, 1943:
ReplyDelete"To the Grand Mufti: The National Socialist movement of Greater Germany has, since its inception, inscribed upon its flag the fight against the world Jewry. It has therefore followed with particular sympathy the struggle of freedom-loving Arabs, especially in Palestine, against Jewish interlopers. In the recognition of this enemy and of the common struggle against it lies the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between the National Socialist Greater Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the whole world. In this spirit I am sending you on the anniversary of the infamous Balfour declaration my hearty greetings and wishes for the successful pursuit of your struggle until the final victory.
Signed: Reichsfuehrer S.S. Heinrich Himmler"
Translated from the original German available here.
Those bothersome jewish "interlopers" have been pesky in that area nigh on 3000+ years.
Hatred is what you get when you invade another people's country to try to take it away from them. Some people never learn.
ReplyDeleteThere is absolutely no excuse for Europeans to slough their problems with Jews onto Palestinians who had zero involvement with European Jewish deaths. I am sure there were a lot more British upper class leaders who were just as willing to do in Jews as Hitler was. There's never been a shortage of hatred of Jews so one Palestinian Muslim leader does not stand out at all in a sea of over a billion Muslim haters of Jewish Israel.
The whole thing gets really sick and twisted when you discover all these "Jewish" people clamoring for a homeland in the Holy Land, 90% of all Jews, are not Semitic peoples at all but Eastern European and western Asian Jewish converts with no more Semitic ties to the Middle East than minute traces that every ethnic group carries of other groups through accidental or arranged marriages. I have lots of Ashkenazi genes from Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Austria-Hungary, Netherlands, but the farthest east my Ashkenazi "Jewish" dna goes is to Uzbekistan, no Semitic ancestry from the Middle East shows up.
So what Ashkenazis have done is hoodwink the whole Western world into believing these European-Asian converts are "Semites" with direct ancestral ties to ancient Israel.
It gets worse. These European Ashkenazis are handed Palestine on a platter by the U.N. ruled by Western powers who want to get rid of the Jewish refugee problem. No problem, just put them in Palestine with the backwards sand nig..Arabs there and they'll be fine. Who cares about Arabs anyway?
Oh no, European Jews are white and more valuable than Arabs and they get Palestine, all of them from all over the world they can come. But those Arabs, no way can they come back to their land now that us Ashkenazis own or control 4/5ths of it now and working on the last fifth. We need trains to ship those Arabs out..
"Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today... No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough." -- Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, author of "Myths of the Middle East"
ReplyDeleteThere has never been a Palestinian state in the history of the region. Palestine has never existed as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians.
I don't think anyone believes bombings are proper. Let's put ourselves in the Palestinians' position--would we accept being occupied by a foreign power? Don't think so.
ReplyDeleteI'm all for Israel. As a former Marine, I can say that the Israeli military is peerless. However, I cannot think--nor would I let--anyone invade me and tell me what to do.
Israel should leave Palestine. The United States will protect Israel, period. I will protect Israel.
stephen: "...Palestinians who had zero involvement with European Jewish deaths."
ReplyDeleteOf course, as Mr Lewis would have us believe, the Arabs of the former Ottoman satrapy of Palestine had "nothing to do with the slaughter of jews prior to the "dumping" of European refugees there (even though the British Labour government used the military to prevent it).
"The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin el-Husseini strongly intervened when Adolf Eichman tried to cut a deal with the British government to exchange German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who also could have fled to Palestine. The Mufti's protests with the SS were successful, as the children were sent to death camps in Poland instead. One German officer noted in his journals that the Mufti would liked to have seen the Jews "preferably all killed." On a visit to Auschwitz, he admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently. Throughout the war, he appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic message to the Arab masses back home.
Hitler's Mein Kampf currently ranks sixth on the best-seller list among Palestinian Arabs. Luis Al-Haj, translator of the Arabic edition, writes glowingly in the preface about how Hitler's "ideology" and his "theories of nationalism, dictatorship and race… are advancing especially within our Arab States." When Palestinian police first greeted Arafat in the self-rule areas of the West Bank, they offered the infamous Nazi salute - the right arm raised straight and upward.
The PLO and notably Arafat himself did not make a secret of their source of inspiration. The Grand Mufti el-Husseini is venerated as a hero by the PLO. It should be noted, that the PLO's top figure in east Jerusalem until recently, Faisal Husseini ( July 17, 1940 - May 31, 2001), was the grandson to the Führer's Mufti. Arafat also considered the Grand Mufti a respected educator and leader, and in 1985 declared it an honor to follow in his footsteps. Little wonder. In 1951, a close relative of the Mufti named Rahman Abdul Rauf el-Qudwa el-Husseini matriculated to the University of Cairo. The student decided to conceal his true identity and enlisted as "Yasser Arafat".
5:55 AM: "Israel should leave Palestine. The United States will protect Israel, period. I will protect Israel."
ReplyDeleteSplendid! We'll send the Marines to stand guard while the Arabs march the Jews into the eastern Mediterranean.
Foreign invasion is foreign invasion no matter which way you slice the historical pie and foreign invasion is a criminal act when it's done purely for self-aggrandizement of the invaders.
ReplyDeleteEuropeans got away with murder of non-Europeans and land theft for over five centuries in North and South America, Australia and Africa because there was no one mighty enough to stop them plus no one cared in those days where might made right.
No so in the 20th Century when idiot European and American Ashkenazis manipulated the U.N. and the world into the international criminal act known as the establishment of Israel in 1947 without ONE SINGLE Palestinian's imput into that process even though Palestinians were the majority population in Palestine ever since the Jews were kicked out by the Romans in the 2nd century A.D. Arab Palestinians have been the majority population of Palestine for almost 2000 years. "Israel" as an ancient country existed no more than 350-400 years altogether. And Ashkenazis have no more ancestral claim to ancient Israel than Chinese Muslims would have to Mecca and Saudi Arabia.
Stop the Crime against Humanity that is Israel's occupation and oppression of the Palestinian peoples who had nothing to do with the Jewish holocaust in Europe. Two wrongs do not make a right and as long as Israel exists instead of Palestinians own country, there will be nothing but religious fanatical warfare.
Do not any of you understand that Europeans cannot get away with such blatant acts of Zionist racist prejudice that ignored the indigenous population of Palestine? That saw them exactly the same way using the same language as European Americans used when they went conquering the "savages". Look up how white people described local Native Americans in the 1850's and how they treated them, as if they were animals, not really human.
ReplyDelete"A land without people and a people without land" was the Zionist equivalent of the mindset that allowed European-Americans to slaughter ndns wherever they found them in the way of "Manifest Destiny", the moral vanguard of "Eretz Yisrael".
In his judeophobia Stephen choses not to believe that Muslim/Arab hatred of Jews dates from Mohammed's wars of aggression in the 7th century AD because the Jews declined to accept the pedophile as the "final prophet". Arabs and Jewish tribes coexisted in relative peace for nearly two millennia prior to the pedophile's expulsion and slaughter of the Jewish communities of Mecca and Medina.
ReplyDeleteLet's hear it again. All together now: "Palestinians had zero to do with the European Holocaust." bwa! bwa! bwa! bwa!
Palestinians had ZERO to do with Nazis annihilating Jews. Zero. Zip. Nada. Nothing. And trying to drag up a 7th century religious competition is just plain stupid as well as immoral when used as justification for armed invasion and takeover of another people's country.
ReplyDeleteAnd fyi, do you know nothing about how well Jews and Muslims got along in the Middle East and Spain during the Middle Ages before the Catholics drove the Jews out of Spain in the late 1500's? Palestinian Jews got along pretty well with Palestinian Arabs for centuries until the Zionist movement happened and Ashkenazi European Jewish converts started coming into Palestine to claim it for "Israel", a country that only existed briefly after the fall of Canaan to Egypt's Tutmoses III, (very likely where the name "Moses" stems from after removing the pagan god Thoth-Tut from the name) only to be clobbered and swallowed up as occupied territory of Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, and then Romans who drove them out completely establishing Palestine for nearly 2000 years as Arab populated and controlled.
One can only wonder when the education of European-Americans will begin to establish the true history of Palestine instead of the Zionist propaganda that passes for "history". So many people deceived by false histories and religious ideologies..it's got to stop somewhere.
Education about the past and ancient hatreds does nothing to solve the murderous violence that goes on today. Grudges and bloodmatches, encouraged to be nourished like picking a festering wound is not going to make anything better.
ReplyDeleteHomeland bullcrap means nothing when your children are dying when there are retaliatory attacks fired into your neighborhood. I'd warrant most mothers would gladly move their families anywhere if it meant an end to that - the death of their babies (those that aren't brainwashed into thinking sending their teenager off to blow his body to smithereens in the process of murdering someone else's babies is a "noble" act (pays well, too)).
It's trite but Today is the first day of the rest of - time, of the future, of peace - IF the Palestinians STOP - and I mean truly STOP, Stephen, IF they lay down the suicide vests, and destroy the bombs, and pledge everlasting peace, you would be surprised I think, just how fast it would happen.
Nurturing resentment on centuries old wrongs and perceived wrongs only created more victims.
I've asked you before - what do they CREATE? Besides suicide vests and angry poems?
That simple act of creating rather than obliterating and defacing might go a long way towards healing their souls.
I know - I am no scholar of these things - but it is what I see - and very very clearly.
Where does all this hatred come from Stephen ?
ReplyDeleteWhat do you make of Iran's threat to wipe Israel off the map or the earth? What about that?
What about the 1972 Olmpic games? Those Palestinians were great sports then right Steve?
Oh well why should I bother, you Steve will not change. As far as the Israeli's go from what I see, read, and hear is that if you don't mess with them they don't mess with you. If they are attacked they respond swiftly and violently and I don't have a problem with that. A government is supposed to protect it's citizens.
Rose, you're still living in a Zionist dreamworld where Israeli Jews coming in from all over the world have more rights as human beings than the native peoples living there with roots going back thousands of years unlike the Ashkenazi European Jewish converts masquarading as "Semitic Jews".
ReplyDeleteYour prejudice is not excusable, Rose, by repetition of it as you always do in these situations instead of stopping to seriously research the real history of Palestine, the real history of European Jewish conversion, and apply the same moral standards that you would use if a European country was invaded by peoples from non-European countries. What did the French do when the Nazis arrived, Rose? Some capitulated but others became the French Resistance which was ruthlessly brutal in killing anyone who betrayed them. The Palestinians have been in the equivalent of Nazi-occupied France for 60 years now, Rose. And here you are still trying to blame them for what you and all Americans and Europeans gave a pass on French doing exactly what Pals are doing, resisting foreign invasion and occupation. Muslims use suicide bombing as their weaponry--it isn't just a Palestinian thing but all over the Muslim world. To a Palestinian mother, Rose, an F-16 fighter jet bearing down on your family shooting rockets at you and killing your children is just as horrific as a suicide bombing is to a Jewish mother.
Stop the ignorance of real history. And stop blaming people for doing what freedom demands, what you would do under the circumstances, resisting with everything you could to stop the invaders in their tracks.
God does not want "Israel" as the name of the Holy Land because it's false history and worse spirituality to give Middle East land over to European ownership and control.
You're right. I don't care a whit about the history. What matters is NOW, what they do NOW. Today. Right now.
ReplyDeleteIf they want peace, right now, what will it take? It will take them stopping the bombings, stopping the killing of innocent civilians in pizza parlors, and open themselves up to living with others as part of the human race.
The entire WORLD has tired to help them. Israel conceded to almost ALL of their demands, and when they got it they turned their backs and began killing anew.
I applaud Israel's defending itself. Our own nation ought to take a lesson.
History be damned, the crusades be damned.
Today! Lay down the hate and the weapons and the suicide vests, get rid of the murderous leaders that were recently elected.
This truly is a case of if you do it peace will come. (Unless the rest of the middle easterners decide to meddle.)
This is a textbook case.
Be brave. Take the risk/
What've you got to lose? Hint: Not more of your teenage sons.
tried, not tired. But that, too.
ReplyDeleteRose, stop being a closed-minded bigot, please! I can't stand it from you. What does it take for you to understand the situation for Palestinians? You just repeat and repeat a solution that is not a solution at all but only demanding the caving in of Palestinians to European invasion and destruction of their country.
ReplyDeleteRose, I am a prophet on this one and I will tell you in no uncertain terms that Palestinians are as determined to take back their country as the Vietnamese were. They both stood up to American supported takeover schemes and the Vietnamese won as will the Palestinians once America's might is taken away from supporting the puppet regime, Israel, there only as America's and Europe's colonial eye and guard tower on Middle East oil reserves.
Rose, it's time for you to have lunch with me at Jack and Rose's E&J Liquors in Rio Dell that they inherited and run and start talking to a real live Palestinian family so you will begin to understand why they resist.
ReplyDeleteGood. We'll move all the Israelis out and they can have their own nice little country without any outsiders, no industry and no need to be tolerant. Then, emboldened by success, they can start making demands of other countries, because they now now that if they are just vicious and recalcitrant they will get what they want.
ReplyDeleteNice.
And, Stephen, I'm sure your friends are good people. And that there are many, even millions of good people. But Iraq had millions of good people and they let Saddam do what he did, and every single nation has good people who allow these horrific leaders to perpetuate a murderous regime.
You hate Bush, but you excuse them? It makes no sense. You want disarmament, but only from the peaceful nations.
If that makes me a bigot, so be it.
Palestinian school children shot by Israeli solders. A Palestinian woman in labor has baby while being detained at Israeli checkpoint. Israeli settlements honey comb Palestinian land. A trip that would take forty minutes will take many hours for a Palestinian crossing Israeli checkpoints. Israel takes Palestinian land, diverts Palestinian water, bulldozes Palestinian homes and crop lands.
ReplyDeleteThe Palestinians have recognized ceasefires only to be attacked by Israeli armed forces under the guise of a surgical military strike to kill a terrorist. Missiles often doing the surgery. More Palestinians are killed this way than are Israelis killed by suicide bombers. The propaganda printed in Israeli and American newspapers is always some version of PALESTINIANS ATTACK, ISRAEL RETALIATES. Terrorism comes in many forms. It can happen at an Israeli controlled checkpoint or a Palestinian classroom filled with nine year old children. It can happen when an Israeli Pilot in an American made F16 shoots a missile into a crowded Palestinian neighborhood.
The Iranian President never said that he wanted to destroy Israel. But what American backed Israel is and has been doing is waging genocide on the Palestinians.
But, Rose isn't going to smoke that pipe.
The amount of propaganda the American people endure on a daily basis insures that a large percentage of it's citizens will be brain damaged. Sadly, Rose is a victim of programed emotional response and will never calmly reassess what she "knows" about that part of the world - which is very little, indeed.
Yes. And there are no gays in Iran.
ReplyDeleteNo gays. No messy debate over the sanctity of marriage. You know that document that says a man can kill his wife if she looks at another man? No premarital sex either. Stonings assure that.
ReplyDeleteNone of that chaos that reigns in America. No sex on TV or anywhere else. No "I don't have a thing to wear!" either. All those anxieties are removed for women, no costly cosmetics needed, because no one is ever going to see your face again, the sunlight will never touch your face... yeah that "no gays in my country" kind of religion...
That seems to be what "progressives" are for - blinded by a strange illness.
You should HOPE we spread our way of life with freedom of all those basic choices, good, bad or indifferent, you still get to choose.
Israel represents the endangered species. They go, so do you.
Bigot? Sign me up.
And, Stephen I may take you up on that offer, but before I do - you ask them, in all seriousness - what do the Palestinian people CREATE?
ReplyDeleteAny answer. I'll listen.
And good Iraqi people allowed Saddam to rule over them. Lucky they had oil so that America could come and liberate it from a foreign currency. How happy the good Iraqi people are to be liberated by their foreign occupiers. Shame on Iran for not joining America and Israel against Palestinians. What great strides gay rights have made here in America. What a long way they have to go for equal rights. But at least we treat gays better here than Iran, for the most part. You aren't deep, Rose
ReplyDeleteYeah. We're really reaping the benefits of all that oil we are stealing as we rape and pillage, destroy all their ballot boxes and forbid them to vote like we do.
ReplyDeleteThat must be why gas is only $1 a gallon here.
Duhhhh. I just can't figure it out.
Rose, you are showing a rather shallow viewpoint that is filled with Zionist anti-Muslim, anti-Arab propaganda.
ReplyDeleteYou and Americans like you all easily forget, why I don't know because you are intelligent enough to know better, that Israel blooms because of all the money we've thrown their way plus the weaponry to wage continuous war against the local native population. Rose, what would Palestine be like today if Pals had received billions of dollars per year as Israelis do.
Israel's economy is America's baby from the get-go. Without continuous American financial and military support Israel would not exist. Period. It's occupation of Palestine is so foreign that even after 60 years, three generations of Israelis Jews, they are virtually in their own giant-size ghetto called "Israel" while making bantustan ghettos for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.
It is more of a political mess I grant you because of the Muslim extremists who have risen to power throughout the Middle East in REACTION to foreign invasion and domination for control of Middle East oil reserves, the biggest one outside of SA, firmly in the U.S. pocket, is Iraq.
Islam will not survive Israel either, btw, as this is all about God's way of changing the whole Abrahamic religious fanaticism that creates these vicious Abrahamic wars for territorial control.
Do all of you know that Israelis base all their occupation of Palestine on the words in Genesis where God blesses Abraham and all his progeny through Isaac? Do you know Muslims base their opposition to Israel on their interpretation of Genesis where God blesses Abraham and gives the land of Canaan to Ishmael and all of his descendants?
ReplyDeleteNow, do any of you know that "Abraham" was himself a Hindu Vedic god, the god of creation, Brahma, who was worshiped in India along with his consort Saraisvati who in the Genesis retelling of the myth has her named changed from Sarai to Sarah? That Melchizedek is the mythical Hindu prince with magical powers Meliksadaksina? And that the whole Hebrew notion of seeing themselves as a race of priests of God who are above all others as God's voice to humankind, is the direct ideology of the Brahmin caste in India. Judaism is Brahminism in Near Eastern form.
This is why there have been rumors of Jesus' spending time in India because there's a deep spiritual need to reconnect the Hindu Vedic Brahmin traditions that underly the Abrahamic religious warfare. This is why Israel is the center piece for establishing world peace. Abrahamic religionists are still very much out of control and armed to the teeth with weapons.
Only Jesus and John the Baptist in the New Testament seem to be aware as prophets that there was a problem with the spiritual authority deriving from Abraham. "If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this."
ReplyDelete-John 8:39,40.
The Iraqi Government just signed contracts with American oil companies to upgrade oil recovery infrastructure. President Bush circumvented congress while seeking agreement with Iraqi Government to get OK for 59 permanent American military bases. American oil majors have signed contracts with Iraq that give them concessions that enrich them and leave Iraq war torn and it's people destitute. You just have to be patient, Rose. Steeling another countries resources isn't like robbing the corner 7-11. But if you are expecting the price of gas to go down - it is not going to happen. And if you think we have to stay in Iraq to stabilize and secure it for the Iraqi people, I would argue that we went in there to destabilize that country to make it possible to get control of the Iraqi oil fields through contracts with the government that we helped to install there. So now American citizens are holding the bill for the war, the occupation, the American military bases, and the rebuilding of Iraqi infrastructure - money spent for nothing in the latter case - and the American people get high energy prices and economic destruction of the middle class in return. You will never "get it", Rose.
ReplyDeleteAnd as we occupy Iraq a new generation of suicide bombers will strap explosives to them selves to kill American soldiers. What else can they do?
ReplyDeleteArvan Trucking Co. is the latest casualty of American foreign policy controlled by Wall Street. Our current economic pain is nothing compared to what is coming.
ReplyDeleteStephen, this one is for you -
ReplyDeletethis one is for you - There are (other good) people who see it the way you do. I'm not one of them, but...
"What do you make of Iran's threat to wipe Israel off the map or the earth? What about that?"
ReplyDeletePerhaps anon could find some determination to find a translation into the statement made by Ahmadinejad. Quite different that the media's version of wiping Israel off of the map.
All that's necessary to understand why Palestinians continue to fight against Israelis is to review the real history of what's happened to them and what's still happening to them through the horror that was imposed on them as "Israel" in 1947.
ReplyDeleteI am reading a novel by Richard North Patterson called "Exile" that is excellent for giving a glimpse of what life is like if your Palestinian and live in the West Bank or Gaza. The way Israelis have created a situation that Nazis would admire because Israeli Jews have discovered the secret Himmler never attained with state-controlled propaganda, link your cause to America's economic self-interest in the Middle East and European racism against Arab peoples. It worked well for years until really the Internet foiled it with truth of Palestinians becoming reported outside the anti-Arab American media.
Racism cannot hold up under the spotlight and Israel's racism will doom that spiritual abortion and monstrosity of a religious racist nation that America and Europeans created. Israel will go the way of white racist South Africa. Sorry, but that's what happens when white Europeans fail to overpopulate their new Third World homelands. Israelis are trying hard to insure that doesn't happen by importing millions of Russian "Jews" but that only furthers racist attitudes in Israelis and compounds the crime of foreign invasion and occupation.
You know, for being credited as more-than-average intelligent people, it just goes to show that ethnic narcissism can and will destroy moral decision-making in otherwise smart people. I'm sure there were plenty of smart people in South African government before Mandela took his country back.
It is a Sign from God that Paxcalibur was sent to Arab Israelis in Nazaret and not to Israelis. Palestinians will eventually get their own country and Israel will be absorbed in the process.
ReplyDeleteSo let it be written
ReplyDeleteSo let it be done
There. That seals it.
Wasn't this a post about the heroism of a woman who risked her life to save babies and children from being gassed to death in Concentration Camp death chambers? To save Jewish babies and children from the horrors of the hatreds that rage against Jewish people?
ReplyDeleteAnd how has that become advocating for the obliteration of these people?
What happened in Germany created a rift in the Universe that the entire globe must work to repair. That means keeping these people safe. No matter what.
I'll say it again, Stephen, and you are usually and advocate for Peace - if the Palestinians want peace they have to become peaceful.
Rose, until it gets through your prejudiced mindset that Jews have committed a Crime Against Humanity, there will be no peace in the Holy Land. Two wrongs do not make a right and Jews with yours and American complicity are making Palestinians pay for European crimes against Jews.
ReplyDeleteWhat will it take for you to see that you and Americans cannot dictate what happens in a Middle Eastern country that is populated by Middle Easterners, not Westerners as Israel has attempted to do following the example of past European colonization of Third World countries.
And Rose, Jews are not "special" in the way you and they think they are. I know this because I've delved heavily into Jewish religious history and know as spiritual visionary that God has placed upon Jews and Judaism the burden of terribly false teaching that would only become apparent when social evolution, specifically the democracy movement, surpassed religious stranglehold on civilization.
The Jews are the key linchpin in the coming overthrow of all Abrahamic religious authority because the original spiritual error derived from them, the error of exclusive monotheism, the basis for racist and religious intolerance and social violence.
Hamas too will fall with the fall of Israel because Islam suffers the same spiritual disease of intolerance as Judaism. No more passes for Jews, fundamentalist Christians, or Muslims, when it comes to committing crimes against humanity in the name of God.
So let it be written
ReplyDeleteSo let it be done
:)
(I've been getting new religious insights this past weekend so I'm fired up prophesy-bearing-wise. A real biggie came that has tied together an older vision of mine, God's Cosmic Plan, with the Son of Man concept, another indicator of spiritual authority moving beyond the Abrahamic religious traditions)
Do tell, Stephen.
ReplyDeleteSorry. I do get carried away when these things happen..oh, here they are now..the men in the white suits.
ReplyDeleteYour religious insights are always revealing and make for an interesting read, Stephen. I always feel like I understand those ancient times a little better when I read what you have to say about them.
ReplyDeleteAnd if you believe that, 6:14 has a bridge on Mars to sell ya.
ReplyDeleteNo bridges to sell, but an interest in Stephen's scholarly insights pertaining to tensions in Israel and the wider Middle East. He has much to say on the subject that I could learn from. Please let him speak. Not everyone is as closed minded on the plight of Palestinians, Rose, as you are. Human rights should be given to all people. Your harsh opinion of Palestinians seems to be based on your inability to separate those that are tying to survive peacefully while living under deadly conditions imposed by Imperial powers from those that legitimately fight back using terrorist tactics. But, if you were a Palestinian, you would realize that terror tactics were being used on you. I truly value what Stephen has to say on this subject. There will be no peace until the USA stops supporting genocide with it's money and weapons. Clearly, Stephen has more to say on this. Your racial and religious prejudice do not inform, Rose, nor do they open your mind.
ReplyDeleteThanks, fan. If you are the same one who was there at the Unitarian Fellowship Hall when I talked with Dr. Hanan Awwad, please know that this new burst of spiritual information is reawakening my spiritual mission which got subsumed by the Heartlands Project. Like to know who it is who sees the value of what I am sent to do.
ReplyDeleteRose, I don't have a bridge on Mars to sell but do happen to have a Martian ruin or two.
ReplyDeleteMartian ruins
Martian bridge discoveries will be next..
Rose, I talked with Jack today of Jack and Rose, the Palestinians in Rio Dell who run E & J's Liquors like good Muslims(!)(actually they inherited the store from the foreclosure of the last tenant). Rose will be returning from Jerusalem on Friday and he says come on by next week. He says he's got a church group coming in who also are prejudiced against Pals. Jack and Rose are busy earning high marks in Rio Dell as compassionate business owners. You talk with the many Rio Dellites who know these two Palestinians and you won't find the typical American "oh, evil terrorists!" response. Come and see for yourself, Rose.
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