Sunday, October 05, 2008

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Fire in the Night

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45 comments:

Anonymous said...

And the media goes after Sara Palin? Pretty amazing. Palin hangs out with law abiding types and Obama hangs out with domestic terrorists and crooks.

The next question is what school would hire Ayers????? And why??

Rose said...

And a bigger question - one that demonstrates what Barack does with money and power - is what happened on the Chicago Annenberg Foundation? What happened to the $110 Million Dollars in Foundation money that was supposed to be used to improve public education in Chicago - $200 thousand dollars were given to encourage the celebration of "Juneteenth" while a project designed to improve algebra scores got nothing... that kind of thing...

He said in his nomination acceptance speech that he was going to hire more teachers...

It's not just a question of what the hell does the federal Govt. think it is doing meddling in school, which should be a state and local issue, but what does this man do when he is spending other people's money...

And then, there's Ayres again, right in there with him, but, hey, he's just a guy he was 'marginally' acquainted with...

This grant foundation money and the activist links and training camps are part of the problem here, too - so watching this unfold has been quite amazing.

Think about it. Salzman is a community organizer. Kaitlin Belknap is a community organizer.

Rose said...

Here is the "resume" of an American terrorist: (too long for a post)

7 October 1969 ◼ Bombing of Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago, apparently as a 'kickoff' for the 'Days of Rage' riots in the city October 8-11, 1969. The Weathermen later claimed credit for the bombing in their book, 'Prairie Fire.'

8-11 October 1969 ◼ The 'Days of Rage' riots occur in Chicago in which 287 Weatherman members from throughout the country were arrested and a large amount of property damage was done.

6 December 1969 ◼ Bombing of several Chicago Police cars parked in a precinct parking lot at 3600 North Halsted Street, Chicago. The WUO stated in their book 'Prairie Fire' that they had did the explosion.

27-31 December 1969 ◼ Weathermen hold a 'War Council' meeting in Flint, MI, where they finalize their plans to submerge into an underground status from which they plan to commit strategic acts of sabotage against the government. Thereafter they are called the 'Weather Underground Organization' (WUO).

13 February 1970 ◼ Bombing of several police vehicles of the Berkeley, California, Police Department.

16 February 1970 ◼ Bombing of Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen.

6 March 1970 ◼ Bombing in the 13th Police District of the Detroit, Michigan. 34 sticks of dynamite are discovered. During February and early March, 1970, members of the WUO, led by Bill Ayers, are reported to be in Detroit, during that period, for the purpose of bombing a police facility.

6 March 1970 ◼ 'bomb factory' located in New York's Greenwich Village accidentally explodes. WUO members die . The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey. The bomb was packed with nails TO INFILICT MAXIMUM CASUALTIES UPON DETONATION.

30 March 1970 ◼ Chicago Police discover a WUO 'bomb factory' on Chicago's north side. A subsequent discovery of a WUO 'weapons cache' in a south side Chicago apartment several days later ends WUO activity in the city.

10 May 1970 ◼ Bombing of The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C..

21 May 1970 ◼ The WUO under Bernardine Dohrn's (Ayers' current wife) name releases its 'Declaration of a State of War' communique.

6 June 1970 ◼ The WUO sends a letter claiming credit for bombing of the San Francisco Hall of Justice; however, no explosion actually took place. Months later, workmen in this building located an unexploded device which had apparently been dormant for some time.

9 June 1970 ◼ Bombing of The New York City Police Headquarters.

27 July 1970 ◼ Bombing of The Presidio army base in San Francisco. [NYT, 7/27/70]

12 September 1970 ◼ The WUO helps Dr. Timothy Leary, break out and escape from the California Men's Colony prison.

8 October 1970 ◼ Bombing of Marin County courthouse. [NYT, 8/10/70]

10 October 1970 ◼ Bombing of Queens traffic-court building. [NYT, 10/10/70, p. 12]

14 October 1970 ◼ Bombing of The Harvard Center for International Affairs [NYT, 10/14/70, p. 30]

1 March 1971 ◼ Bombing of The United States Capitol.' [NYT, 3/2/71]

April, 1971 ◼ abandoned WUO 'bomb factory' discovered in San Francisco, California.

29 August, 1971 ◼ Bombing of the Office of California Prisons. [LAT, 8/29/71]

17 September 1971 ◼ Bombing of The New York Department of Corrections in Albany, NY [NYT, 9/18/71]

15 October 1971 ◼ Bombing of William Bundy's office in the MIT research center. [NYT, 10/16/71]

19 May 1972 ◼ Bombing of The Pentagon. [NYT, 5/19/72]

18 May 1973 ◼ Bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York

28 September 1973 ◼ Bombing of ITT headquarters in New York and Rome, Italy. [NYT, 9/28/73]

6 March 1974 ◼ Bombing of the Department of Health, Education and Welfare offices in San Francisco

31 May 1974 ◼ Bombing of The Office of the California Attorney General.

17 June 1974 ◼ Bombing of Gulf Oil's Pittsburgh headquarters.

11 September 1974 ◼ Bombing of Anaconda Corporation (part of the Rockefeller Corporation).

29 January 1975 ◼ Bombing of the State Department (AP. 'State Department Rattled by Blast,' The Daily Times-News, January 29 1975, p.1)

16 June 1975 ◼ Bombing of Banco de Ponce (a Puerto Rican bank) in New York.

September, 1975 ◼ Bombing of the Kennecott Corporation.

October 20, 1981 ◼ Brinks robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, New York. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others were wounded.

◼ 1981 'Guilty as hell*. Free as a bird. America is a great country,' Ayers said when interviewed by David Horowitz.

◼ September 11, 2001 'I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough.' Ayers is quoted in a New York Times article.

◼ Now - Obama said John McCain said he would follow Osama to the ends of the earth, but wouldn't follow him to his cave - yet Barack is buddies with this guy?

There's an irony here.

Stephen said...

Give it up, Rose. That stuff is over 25 years old and is history. There are ex-radicals still in hiding no doubt even here in Humboldt County. But the main fact is regardless of their extremism, they were Reacting to the hideous Vietnam War that was killing thousands of innocent people to fight "commies". And then when "commies" were not an enemy, go for Muslims sitting on oil deposits. That site you are sending people to does not say one thing about 9-11 and who caused it which as you know, many many Americans believe was done with Bush's Neo-Cons in complicity. Weathermen were a reaction to American colonial imperialism and they are history. Get over it and come on board with someone who isn't going to give us the same crap we've had with these Republican yahoos selling out America to the highest bidding corporate sponsors.

Obama brings change. McCain will bring more of the same.

Anonymous said...

Stephen

Change for sure, but not all change is good. And it would appear that you, Stephen, think that just because Ayers was opposed to the Viet Nam war he was justified in domestic bombings of government building, assaults, murder, and who knows.

And to even suggest that Bush was complicite in the 9/11 attacks shows that your thinking is twisted beyond repair. But your hatred for Jew's has already proved that.

Obama is an empty suit, an illusion.

Rose said...

It's easy to say he has 'changed' - but you should know better. People said the same thing about Stoen, and he clearly hadn't changed one iota.

And Ayres goes further than Stoen, he says he didn't kill enough people, didn't bomb enough buildings.

Like this guy says in his article, what he really means is - he should've killed me when I was 9 years old. If only the bomb had been successful.

As for Obama - to pretend that because he was young when this happened excuses his recent and current association with the guy is ludicrous.

They're playing the same game Salzman played here, Stephen, make no mistake. Cover up and spin.

Links to Kurtz research into the Annenburg Foundation:
Chicago Annenberg Challenge Shutdown? A cover-up in the making? - August 18, 2008

Obama’s Challenge The campaign speaks to “Radicalism.” - September 23, 2008

Barack Obama's Lost Years 8/11/08
The senator's tenure as a state legislator reveals him to be an old-fashioned, big government, race-conscious liberal.

WSJ - Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools SEPTEMBER 23, 2008

Founding Brothers What’s behind Obama’s early rise? - September 24, 2008

***
here - The Chicago Annenberg Challenge - The Fog Thickens
here - Obama, Ayers, and the Annenberg Challenge Cover-Up
and here - Obama/Ayers Update: Annenberg Mystery Tour Continues for more details).
Just fact checking
Obama, Annenberg, Ayers-2
Why Ayers matters
Who sent Obama?
Resume of a Terrorist - The Weather Underground

Podcast (long, but well worth a listen!)

Anonymous said...

Just want to be sure I have this straight - Obama was a follower of Jim Jones and survived the Jonestown thing, then he went underground and became a terrorist, right? When did he join Al-ky-duh?

Anonymous said...

Over the weekend, John McCain's top adviser announced their plan to stop engaging in a debate over the economy and "turn the page" to more direct, personal attacks on Barack Obama.

In the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, they want to change the subject from the central question of this election. Perhaps because the policies McCain supported these past eight years and wants to continue are pretty hard to defend.

But it's not just McCain's role in the current crisis that they're avoiding. The backward economic philosophy and culture of corruption that helped create the current crisis are looking more and more like the other major financial crisis of our time.

During the savings and loan crisis of the late '80s and early '90s, McCain's political favors and aggressive support for deregulation put him at the center of the fall of Lincoln Savings and Loan, one of the largest in the country. More than 23,000 investors lost their savings. Overall, the savings and loan crisis required the federal government to bail out the savings of hundreds of thousands of families and ultimately cost American taxpayers $124 billion.

Sound familiar?

In that crisis, John McCain and his political patron, Charles Keating, played central roles that ultimately landed Keating in jail for fraud and McCain in front of the Senate Ethics Committee. The McCain campaign has tried to avoid talking about the scandal, but with so many parallels to the current crisis, McCain's Keating history is relevant and voters deserve to know the facts -- and see for themselves the pattern of poor judgment by John McCain.

so here's a couple of more links to follow:

make believe maverick

Keating Economocs

Stephen said...

The above is right. We Democrats should be crying for your Republican leaders' heads for what they've done to America in every respect--dishonored abroad as self-proclaimed police thugs invading other people's countries and supporting the invasion of Palestine by the Israel proxy for America thus pissing off over a billion Muslims right there. And now we are all scared that a major Depression is right around the corner and you are saying "look at the past 25 years ago".

It was exactly this type of paranoia that I saw happening to myself by E.F!/EPIC activists who were utterly convinced John Campbell's required military stint in the New Zealand Army, him serving in their intelligence section made him a CIA plant planted for 22 years at Pacific Lumber Company in order to "get" E.F.! activists.

Wake up! and worry about real stuff..

Anonymous said...

Desperate times Rose. McCain's whole campaign is going down in flames.

Better grab the extinguisher before it gets out of control!

Rose said...

Just so he goes down fighting.

Rose said...

Funny thing is - Hillary's oppo-research uncovered all this shit - and probably more. It's gonna come out, 3:09. Like it or not.

Rose said...

Hunting Mr, Good Will

Mr. Good Will - who lists his employer as "Loving" and his profession as "You" - has contributed 1,000 times to the Barack Obama campaign.

All the contributions have been in amounts of $25 or less. But they add up to $17,375 - far more than the legal limit of $4,600. That's $2,300 each for the primary and general election campaigns.

Kenneth Timmerman, a reporter for NewsMax, a conservative Web site, discovered Mr. Good Will when he reviewed 1.4 million individual contributions in the latest Federal Elections Commission master file for the Obama campaign.
Mr. Good Will said he was from Austin, Texas. When I called directory assistance, they could find no listing for him.

Mr. Doodad Pro made 786 contributions for a total of $19,500. Like Mr. Good Will, Mr. Pro lists his employer as "Loving" and his profession as "You." Mr. Pro said he is from Nunda, N.Y. Directory assistance found no listing for him either.

Mr. Obama has raised a whopping $223 million in contributions of less than $200. Candidates are not required to disclose the names of those who contribute less than $200, and Mr. Obama has not. John McCain has made his complete donor database available online.

But the Federal Elections Commission does require campaigns to keep a running tally of contributions and to disclose the identity of donors once their total contributions exceed $200. This is how Mr. Good Will and Mr. Doodad Pro came to light.
... click the link. It gets better.

Anonymous said...

McCain is losing. What he is slinging at Obama won't stick. It is an especially bad tactic considering that so much of his history is now an open book. We have had eight years of mean and ugly. That's enough for me.

Rose said...

We didn't heed the warnings when we saw Gennifer Flowers. If we had we might have avoided the semen stained blue dress.

The media needs to DO ITS JOB and send the same team of investigative reporters they sent to Alaska to Chicago. Any self respecting reporter should have done what Stanley Kurtz has done - LOOK at the papers that show what happened to the 110 Million Dollars. Tell us how celebrating "Juneteenth" was to improve Public Schools in Chicago.

Anonymous said...

Weird. You would regulate sex and deregulate Wall Street. To suggest Obama's entire life hasn't been scrutinized and distorted by the media is an awesome example of your selective memory. The warnings that you aren't heeding, Rose, is McCain's involvement with deregulation that only started with Charles Keating. Poor judgment does not begin to describe the corrupt back-room dealings that is the hallmark of John McCain's entire career. McCain should go back to Arizona and retire.

Carol said...

"We didn't heed the warnings when we saw Gennifer Flowers. If we had we might have avoided the semen stained blue dress."

Wow, Rose, unbelievable . . .

We had 8 years of prosperity with a budget SURPLUS!

Now we are in a recession. Hello?

Barack was a CHILD 25 years ago and so was I. And I think you were, too!

Palin is liar and so is McCain.

You are a bright person, Rose. Why can't you see that they are huge liars?

BTW, I talked with a prominent elderly republican in our community the other day at a memorial service for a mutual friend. She told me that she has not voted republican for years and certainly will not be voting republican especially this time. She has continue to register republican so she can get their mail and write back to tell them what she thinks.

The current administration is gutting our country. Their tactics are unpatriotic. This would continue if the republicans continue with their scorch the earth/ slash and burn poilitics.

It is time to plant tulips in the garden, my dear blog friend!

Rose said...

Ahh, yes, DEREGULATION! The easy rhetoric surface deep talking points.

Gotta love it. Once the spin machine seized on that one that's all we hear - that and the tired old McSame line.

No, let's ignore the democrats (majoriity) role in this, the votes against reforms, the complexities of the issue and go straight for the talking points aimed at the dumbed down masses. Very good.

And, Carol, you need only look at the lovely Barney Frank to see a perfect example of who is gutting hte country - if that is even an accurate statement.

But let's use your scenario as reason to give him MORE power. Ohhh, good idea.

Rose said...

And, Carol, the point is - this argument that Barack was a child is bogus - he was no child when he got enmeshed with Ayres. He was no child when he served on a Board that pissed away 110 Million Dollars of grant money.

And you are a political enough person to know that when you launch your career in a person's living room, that person is more than an idle acquaintance. Come on. That's laughable.

He's denying Ayres the same way people here deny Salzman.

I'm going to say it again - as president - he would have to be prepared to hunt down, capture, try, incarcerate - and even KILL someone like Bill Ayres, Carol. Someone who would set a bomb under your porch step, or under your car, and kill you and your children just because he disagrees with your stance or position in the community.

That's the fundamnental problem here.

Carol said...

Deregulation began with Reagan.

Palin's husband:

Todd Palin, Longtime Former AIP Member
September 02, 2008 5:11 PM

Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, tells ABC News that regardless of the impression given to members of the Alaskan Independence Party, "Gov. Sarah Palin first registered to vote in the state in May 1982 as a Republican, and she has not changed her party affiliate with the Division of Elections since that time."

That said, Fenumiai says that Palin's husband Todd was a member of the AIP from October 1995 through July 2002, except for a few months in 2000. He is currently undeclared.

So the facts are: Gov. Palin was not a member of this third-party ("Alaska First -- Alaska Always") that wants Alaskans to get a vote on whether or not the state can secede from the U.S. But her husband was a long-time member, and at least two AIP officials recall her attending the 1994 convention, though she says she did not attend.

- jpt


Sarah Palin is the poster child for abstinence only sex education.



You go ahead and vote the way you will. Count me out for "The Rapture" vote. I believe in the change and hope that will come with President Obama! For the sake of our country - Peace and Love!

Rose said...

And this current crisis has its roots with Clinton and the Democrats. No one can deny it.

Ahhh, "The Rapture Vote!" A new line to throw out there. VERY FUNNY!

If Sarah Palin is the poster child for abstinence only sex-ed, that's pretty funny, too - successful, happy, committed to serving her community and her country - WOW!

Don't pull that crap on me - her Dad was a science teacher. She has said quite clearly that she believes in teaching both sides, in that and in the creationism/evolution thing. Something with which I wholeheartedly agree, same as teaching kids about all religions. Open, inquisitive, informative - NOT shut down by the PC crowd.

Interesting the LA NOW President's endorsement, though - a very real step towards ending the partisan divide. There is HOPE after all.

Anonymous said...

The number one issue in this election is the economy. Republicans have used terrorism as their fall back position for eight years. When Democrats talk about the most pressing issues facing our nation, they are accused of repeating Democratic talking points. The Republicans are waging a smear campaign against Obama because McCain has nothing new to offer. McCain's own sleaze closet is about to get a good airing.

Rose said...

Yeah, if CNN and NBC/MSNBC can send teams of reporters up to Alaska to go through garbage cans, no doubt they will go after McCain and STILL not send a single reporter to Chicago.

You need only look in Campbell Brown's stricken eyes when Palin came on the scene to see what is at stake for them.

And, I hate to tell ya, but DEREGULATION is a talking point, Biden tried to drag it out there, not very successfully, as ordered. Every single Barack speaker uses it - and gasp! They never answer a question, just turn right around to that. It would be comical.

Anonymous said...

Is the economy a Democratic talking point? Must be. McCain has pretty much thrown in the towel on the subject. Chicago Republicans seem to think that Bill Ayres is a pretty decent fellow. My God! You are going to have to find another boogie-man "terrorist" to tie Obama to. Or not. Radical right wing propaganda never let a little thing like facts deter them. Turn up the volume and spin with all your might! Go ahead, don't stop now. Maybe try a Salzman, Stoen, Gallegos connection. Or worse yet - a Rose connection would sink the Obama campaign forever!

Anonymous said...

Well, unless you have an old blue dress with.... Probably not.

Rose said...

Well, the Democrats love it when they can say the economy is bad - adn what's new? They've been saying that for as long as I can remember, in good times and in bad - except when they are propping up their guy, Clinton. Otherwise it is cry poor, bemoan being downtrodden and don the victimhood mantle - ignoring their own roles in any problems... so, like I say, what else is new?

Well, this time, there's a crisis, and that ought not be a partisan thing - it's a people - talking point - but it's not the worst we've seen - we've survived the crash of 19987, the dot.com bubble, and 9/11.

It's serious, but it is not insurmountable. We have smart people who can find solutions.

And then you have the Barney Frank - who are the problem incarnate.

And it's not a Salzman connection, fool. It's the similarity in the MO.

me said...

ah yes, teach creationism in science class. because, you know, it's a science (!) (blink blink) not an article of faith.

I guess all those Republicans in Chicago also on that board, and who also "pal around" with Ayers should be considered terrorists.

So, how do you explain the lynch-mob mentality that McCain and Palin are leading their supporters to during their recent rallies? Calls of "kill him" and "terrorist" and "traitor"? Is that an America that you can be proud of and support Rose?

Rose said...

YOu always go for the base -

Ok. No one said 'creationism' was a science. But it is good for kids to be exposed to the different ideas, to understand that - this is what some people believe - and be able to look at and compare the facts on both sides, and draw their own conclusions. Why would you deny them that right? Why would you seek to dictate to a teacher what approach they would take?

Second - you love to take things literally and make a big hugendous deal out of it - "Kill him" doesn't mean KILL him - idiot - it is akin to 'go get ;em!' "knock 'em dead" "break a leg" "you go girl" "let 'em have it" "take the gloves off."

If you are unable to think outside of your one dimensional spin of the world, you're right in there with people who think Biden was racist when he said Obama was "clean' - when in fact, it can be argued that what he meant was 'he has no baggage.' Little did Biden know, that isn't true.

These things come up over and over again - biting on small words and narrow meaning to express horror. Broaden your outlook, open your eyes. And, think.

Anonymous said...

Creationism is crap! It is Holy Crap. Evolution stands on it's own. Our kids are exposed to enough crap. Why teach them crap in school? Kill him doesn't mean kill him? Since when? You have gone all goofy over Bill Ayres. You have said that Obama should be killing terrorists instead of hanging around with them. How about some straight talk for a change. Stop taking your talking points from the Republican sleaze machine.

Rose said...

Not exactly - what I said was - A President has to be prepared to hunt down, capture, prosecute, imprison, and in some cases, KILL, anyone who BOMBS our people, our buildings, etc.

So, yes, close enough. He does not have the mindset necessary to keep you safe. He has the mindset that it is OK to BOMB police stations and KILL innocent Americans (his people) because you do not like something that has been done.

He does not have the mindset necessary to be President.

Pure and simple.

Maybe it is because he is not proud of his country, maybe it is because he believes the end justifies the means. Maybe he just flat out doesn't take the murder of innocent people seriously. Maybe he thinks Ayres was justified. Maybe that means Timothy McVeigh was justified. I don't know.

But he does not have the mindset to understand the PRIMARY JOB of the President.

Stephen said...

"A President has to be prepared to hunt down, capture, prosecute, imprison, and in some cases, KILL, anyone who BOMBS our people, our buildings, etc."

and if that President is wrong and acting as a front for corporate traitors to America's peace, that President should pay the full price and be impeached, prosecuted and as you say, "killed" for supreme breach of American trust in office.

Anonymous said...

Amen, brother Stephen!

me said...

If creationism is not a science, why would you be teaching it in science class? If there is a class teaching comparative religions, or social studies/world history, you would teach it there (and yes, not just the "Christian" creation story either). Otherwise, it is taught in church, you know, as a matter of FAITH.

"Kill him", "terrorist", "treason" don't really mean "kill him" "terrorist" or "treason"? Wow. Maybe YOU should open your eyes, broaden your outlook and think outside your one-dimensional spin on the world.

Rose said...

Patiently explaining. You don't teach it as a science, you present the various THEORIES. You explain that this is what some people believe. You allow for open minds, and inquisitive thinking. THAT is education at its best.

Rather like teaching abstinence as PART of a full sex-ed class.

Expectantly - I'm sure your head will explode over that one in 1 - 2 - 3 oh NO! Did I say EXPLODE! Am I inciting VIOLENCE! Oh my.

Rose said...

It's the PC mentality that wants to DICTATE what a teacher will teach. That is no different than the book burners who don't want kids reading Harry Potter. It's just the flip side.

That's the same mentality that wants to censor what people say, and determine what is acceptable for them to eat, drive, wear, and so on.

It is funny that that crowd is the same one that doesn't want anyone telling them they can't grow and use dope, but they want to tell others they can't drink a Pepsi.

Not a crowd I want any part of. The "Progressive" crowd.

Rose said...

Now - you tell me how you justify squandering a hundred and ten MILLION DOLLARS of charitable donations intended for public schools by funneling it to activist groups in the name of education.

Rose said...

Ayers’s own words, spoken just two years ago in that oh-so-progressive country, Venezuela:

An idea of what Ayers has in mind for America’s schools was provided in his own words not 40 years ago when Obama was eight years old, but less than two years ago in November 2006 at the World Education Forum in Caracas hosted by dictator Hugo Chavez.

With Chavez at his side, Ayers voiced his support for “the political educational reforms under way here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution. . . . I look forward to seeing how . . . all of you continue to overcome the failures of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.”

Ayers told the great humanitarian Chavez: “Teaching invites transformations, it urges revolutions large and small. La educacion es revolucion.” It is that form of socialist revolution that Ayers, and Obama, have worked to bring to America.


THAT is the problem with Ayers.

Anonymous said...

Well, goddammit, no wonder the Bush Administration neglected to fund No Child Left Behind. Can't have our public school system become the motor-force of social revolution.

Anonymous said...

What kind of mentality would dictate to teachers that they shouldn't teach environmentalism and sex education?

Rose said...

Do you appreciate what you have in this country? Freedom of speech. Freedom to assemble, Freedom of Religion. And all the rest.

Do you have any idea how fragile a thing it is, this little experiment in freedom? How easily it can evaporate?

Rose said...

What kind of mentality would dictate to teachers that they shouldn't teach environmentalism and sex education?

That would be EXTREMISTS - and extremists of any stripe or party affiliation, are a bad thing.

Squashing the free exchange of information, from any source, is a bad thing.

Don't you get it?

Anonymous said...

Carol is an idiot. Sorry but somewone had to say it.

If Obama wins, and he may, we will all suffer and it will be within two years. Obama's financial advisor is one of the Fannie mae bigwigs that got ...... 90 million dollars in six years while this problem was building. This is more the dem's than the Republicans.

Character counts.

Carol said...

Character counts???

You mean like calling people idiots, anonymously?

me said...

hmm, how come my comment from a few days agao, responding yet again to your "teach creationism" comment never appeared?

I will ask again. Patiently. Why teach creationism in a science class if you agree it is not a science, or a scientific theory? I have no problem teaching it in a social studies/ world history/ comparative religion class, as I said (which you then ignore).

Rose said...

Your comments are above. The last one you sent in was:
me has left a new comment on your post if-you-only-follow-one-link-today.

If creationism is not a science, why would you be teaching it in science class? If there is a class teaching comparative religions, or social studies/world history, you would teach it there (and yes, not just the "Christian" creation story either). Otherwise, it is taught in church, you know, as a matter of FAITH.

"Kill him", "terrorist", "treason" don't really mean "kill him" "terrorist" or "treason"? Wow. Maybe YOU should open your eyes, broaden your outlook and think outside your one-dimensional spin on the world.
Posted by me to watchpaul at 10/09/2008 5:06 PM


I believe I answered that.

But I'll add to it - you present it because, in your class there are some who DO believe in creationism. Because a good teacher presents information, does not dictate belief, explores theories, and discusses the pros and cons, and allows for questions, and independent thought.

I realize that in today's politically correct world you are supposed to curl up and die when you hear things you do not agree with. And you must never SPEAK of things that are not approved by - who? exactly? you? who think it is up to you to decide when and where something will be taught? what will be discussed? That's fascism, my friend.

You'll like the new textbooks, though - the new world order is on its way... New 8th Grade English Textbooks Now Contain 15 Page Section on Obama (no mention of Hillary, Kerry, McCain, or Edwards)