Wednesday, October 08, 2008

As I predicted

I told you that by November, they'd be saying McCain ran the torture camps in Vietnam.


NBC went to N. Vietnam to interview the warden of Hanoi Hilton — so he could tell Americans what REALLY happened. ...“Tran Trong Doyet, the former prison director, remembers it differently.

During “office hours,” he and McCain would have “fierce debates” about the war, Tran told NBC.

McCain describes these so-called debates in “Faith of My Fathers” as torture sessions. But that’s not the message NBC wants to get across.

“But after hours, we would talk as friends,” Tran said.

Why, their time together was so relaxed that McCain even had time to teach him English, a smiling Tran recalls!...

Looking for video of this interview. NBCs opening page is all SNL, Conan OBrien, Biggest Loser and Angela and Andy's Wedding site. Hard news? Not.


  1. You won't find news clips on the main NBC page -- they have a separate site for the news division: MSNBC
    And as far as I can tell, it's too late for the clip referenced in the story you're quoting since the TV piece in question ran over a week ago - the site only goes back to Oct. 1.

  2. I remember seeing that.....the odd thought that bounced in my brain was...WTF? Their time together as "friends" learning engrish didn't work out too well.

    Tran had a translator and spoke in his native Vietnamese throughout.


  3. I saw the report over the weekend.

    Too bad for NBC, there were witnesses to what happened back then, other prisoners.

    This tops anything Rather did.

    I wonder how Cindy Sheehan would feel if her son had been captured, tortured, come back alive, and was trashed like this. I wonder if she would think this was fair. Or in any way justifiable.

  4. I wonder what Cindy Sheehan would think about you trashing her sacrifice, Rose. I suppose if someone isn't as insane as McCain for wars on Countries that have never done us harm, then you feel that you are justified. I think not.

  5. Not trashing her sacrifice.

    You are trashing McCain's sacrifice by even alluding that I am. I am making a comparison. Her son should be honored for his sacrifice.

    And so should McCain.

    For the media, in their desperation to glorify Obama, to attempt to rewrite history on this issue is despicable.

    And they should be held accountable for it.

  6. Perhaps you missed Obama's sudden hawkishness in Tuesday's debate - if you want to talk about planning wars on other countries, you need look no farther.

    I would argue that McCain, knowing the horrors of war, would be the more reluctant one.

    But maybe Obama will just send in ACORN volunteers.

  7. Twisted. Obama didn't suddenly turn into a hawk. He will use the military to protect our Country from foreign aggressors. The news story that you refer to has nothing to do with Obama. You have every right to defend McCain and take NBC to task. I will read your ACORN links later. I don't expect that I will find anything linking ACORN to Sheehan or Obama. McCain knows first hand the horrors of a foreign military prison. He doesn't have any experience on the battlefield.

  8. An intelligent energy policy will keep us out of the Middle East. The continuing transfer of American wealth to oil rich Countries is why the Bush administration invaded Iraq. Research and development of energy sources that are alternative to oil and coal is the key to peace in an overcrowded world with a growing middle class facing severe climate disruption and increasing energy demand and dwindling oil reserves.

  9. Heh -A. yeah I'm sure the tracks are well covered.

    B. WHAT has Obama done in his years in office that indicate you he will do any of the things you so fondly imagine he will? Never mind. You can't answer that. He's run for office, then run for office, and he has squandered untold millions of dollars.

    C. Sorry to tell ya, but I don't think we invaded Iraq for the oil or it would already be flowing into our country. That's a popular line though, you've got 'em all. It's just that none of them bear scrutiny.

    D. That's pretty funny that you leap to Sheehan and ACORN. I drew no such connection. But now that you mention it.... hahahahha

  10. Not Quite Ready to Join the Crusade
    ...even his associates and his own admissions would not be fatal, had Obama himself not been involved in suspect organizations like ACORN, like the Woods Foundation, and like the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, that typically squandered someone else’s money to help radical organizations undermine existing institutions in service to some utopian vision of what they wish the United States someday to become.

    That's it in a nutshell.

  11. This one is EVEN better -

    Obama Claims He Never Worked For Acorn .... ahh, the beauty of actual documents.

  12. I'm having a problem with your links. They do not fit in my comments window.

  13. What browser are you using 12:10?

  14. The Iraqi people didn't throw flowers when we invaded their Country. Since then the American people have thrown a trillion dollars at Iraq. The Bush administration abandoned the war in Afghanistan, and has watched helplessly as Iran builds nuclear capability while we remain bogged down in Iraq and unable to re-commit military resources where they are needed the most - Afghanistan. The price of oil has rocketed into orbit - enriching OPEC and our former cold war enemy Russia - while American wealth is transfered to petro-dictatorships that funnel money into Pakistan and Afghanistan in support of Bin Laden's war on America.

    And you are concerned about money that you say Obama has squandered?

    Obama understands that if we don't lead the world in developing a clean energy technology that will create American jobs and replace our dependency on foreign oil, the consequences will be the continuing destruction of our economy and our dwindling ability to stand as a force for good in the world.

    Obama/Biden also understand what McCain only gives lip-service to - and Palin outright denies - global climatic disruption is caused by the rise of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere caused by coal fired electricity generation and the cubic mile of crude oil that is converted into transportation and heating fuel each year.

    Obama/Biden also understand that the North American economy supports 350 million people that earn middle class wages. The European economy supports another 350 million middle class wage earners. China's economy supports a growing middle class population that soon will double that of North America or Europe and has a growing infrastructure that requires an energy input that will soon surpass the energy demands of United states. The middle class is the fastest growing segment of the world's population and is expected to grow by 1.8 billion over the next 12 years. The rapid expansion of the middle class and it's attendant requirements demand that we develop clean abundant energy.

  15. 10:35 - I was about to call complete and total BS. But you have one point on which we can agree - we do need to develop alternative energies, we all know it. We must devote our national will to it, and make it happen.

    I believe that will be done - and I do not think the two parties differ on that at all. Maybe a bit on how to get there.

    So, since you are intent on Obama and Biden - WHAT did they do with all of Biden's years in Office, and Obama's couple hundred days in the Senate - what did they DO about that? Did Biden doggedly push an energy bill? Commit his life to the issue? YOu think that's gonna change? OK. Did Obama do anything? Besides run for office I mean.

    Better question - Gore had EIGHT YEARS in a Clinton White House - in eight years, we could have achieved that goal. At the very least he could have put things in motion that might be completed now, 8 more years later... I don't recall any effort on his part back then... only after he was narrowly rejected for the highest office in the land, which was his goal, did he turn to "Global Warming" in order to enrich himself and gain the adoration he so sorely needed.

    I say "Global Warming" even though you use the newly chosen spin, "Climate Change."

    You don't need to push that scam to get intelligent people to agree we need alternative fuels, recycling, and to cut pollution. We were all there, on board, back in the 70s. We do not need punishment and threats. We don't need to be indoctrinated in your sick new religion.

    But - with all your talking points crammed into that one little comment - must be a record.

  16. You represent an outdated way of thinking. If we do not aggressively tackle global climate disruption caused by rising atmospheric carbon dioxide we will face global catastrophe. We cannot afford to ignore what is proven science. McCain/Palin will not provide the solution. Time is running out. Obama/Biden will put us on the right track to energy independence by promoting clean energy technologies now, before we have to deal with the most dire consequences of catastrophic global climate disruption while creating American jobs and saving our economy.

  17. Okay, 5:23. Then what? We all live happily ever after? I don't see a big red S on Obama's chest.

  18. Will we live happily ever after while we react to uncontrollable climate crisis and energy shortages. Wouldn't it be smarter and easier to begin to reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide now and create jobs now than wait until crude oil demand puts the price of gas out of reach or a devastating world war over resources drives us to extinction? Are you willing to take that gamble? Or will you never see beyond partisan politics? It is time for everyone to get serious about the most important issue threatening our security in this century. If the Pentagon says so, then why would you not believe them. Why would you choose to gamble your children's and grand children's future by making the wrong choice in the most important presidential race of our lives?

  19. I don't view this as the "most important presidential race of our lives" but, then, I'm probably older than you, 11:55. Not to worry, though: I won't make the wrong choice... & neither will you.

  20. Sorry, I think there's alot more to be learned about Obama and what he does with other people's money - what he does with power -

    Judicial Watch Uncovers Documents Detailing Suspicious Illinois State Senate Earmarks by Barack Obama

    ...Barack Obama's controversial Illinois State Senate earmark for the "Garden to Nowhere." By way of reminder, Obama secured a $100,000 grant for a former campaign volunteer to build a garden project called the Englewood Botanical Garden.

    The project never happened and Obama's campaign volunteer, Kenny Smith, distributed $65,000 of the funds directly to his wife and another $20,000 to a construction company set up by his wife that is now no longer in business.

    ...more evidence of suspicious Illinois State Senate earmarks by Obama, including one $25,000 grant for his wife's cousin. Here are a few of the details from Judicial Watch's documents obtained through the Illinois Freedom of Information Act:

    Blue Gargoyle: Barack Obama helped secure a $25,000 grant for Blue Gargoyle in August 2000, an organization that was headed by Capers C. Funnye, Jr., Michelle Obama's first cousin once removed.

    Community of St. Sabina: Obama helped secure a $100,000 grant for the Community of St. Sabina in July 2000, a church headed by Father Michael Pfleger, a controversial and radical Catholic priest and Obama campaign contributor. Pfleger made news in March 2008, for mocking then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ, formerly run by Obama's personal pastor the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

    FORUM: Run by Yesse Yehudah, Barack Obama gave a $75,000 grant to the organization in 2000. Although Yehudah ran against Obama in a 1998 election, five people from FORUM donated $1000 to Obama's campaign after receiving the grant. FORUM also contributed another $5,000 to help pay Obama's debt after he failed to be elected to congress in 2000. In 2002, Illinois sued Yehudah for failure to account for hundreds of thousands of dollars he received from Obama's grant.

    These earmarks, especially the one related to his wife's cousin, Rabbi Funnye, raise serious ethical questions. From documents obtained from only one state agency, we were able to figure out that Obama was responsible for over $3 million in earmarks from 1999-2002. Not exactly pocket change, especially when this taxpayer money is used to take care of your family and campaign contributors.

    Some of these earmarks suggest that Barack Obama may have abused his office in the Illinois State Senate. We have yet to hear major media outlets ask Obama why he earmarked money for his wife's cousin.

  21. Funny thing. Just like the situation here with Gallegos - it is the documents that catch them. the documented truth.

    Saying Ayres was just a guy in the neighborhood - but the documents uncovered by Stanley Kurtz tell a different story.

    Obama says he didn't work for ACORN, but documents and news reports from earlier times when he wasn't trying to hide it tell a completely different story.

    ACORN is caught because the actual DOCUMENTS tell the story. Even CNN cannot ignore that anymore.

    Obama is troubled by other documents. He refuses to release records, and has his lawyers blocking access.

    Someone better start paying attention. YOu can deflect the attention for a while by saying oh it is just a right winger. But the DOCUMENTS - the documented truth is there. The facts speak for themselves, NO amount of spin can top that.

  22. The Mask Slips

    The lesson for Americans suffused with anxiety and dread over the crackup of the financial markets is that the way you vote matters, that there are real-world consequences when you go into a voting booth and cast that ballot.

    For the nitwits who vote for the man or woman they’d most like to have over for dinner, or hang out at a barbecue with, I suggest you take a look at how well your 401(k) is doing, or how easy it will be to meet the mortgage this month, or whether the college fund you’ve been trying to build for your kids is as robust as you’d like it to be.

    Voters in the George W. Bush era gave the Republican Party nearly complete control of the federal government. Now the financial markets are in turmoil, top government and corporate leaders are on the verge of panic and scholars are dusting off treatises that analyzed the causes of the Great Depression.

    Mr. Bush was never viewed as a policy or intellectual heavyweight. But he seemed like a nicer guy to a lot of voters than Al Gore.

    It’s not just the economy. While the United States has been fighting a useless and irresponsible war in Iraq, Afghanistan — the home base of the terrorists who struck us on 9/11 — has been allowed to fall into a state of chaos. Osama bin Laden is still at large. New Orleans is still on its knees. And so on.

    Voting has consequences.

    I don’t for a moment think that the Democratic Party has been free of egregious problems. But there are two things I find remarkable about the G.O.P., and especially its more conservative wing, which is now about all there is.

    The first is how wrong conservative Republicans have been on so many profoundly important matters for so many years. The second is how the G.O.P. has nevertheless been able to persuade so many voters of modest means that its wrongheaded, favor-the-rich, country-be-damned approach was not only good for working Americans, but was the patriotic way to go.

    Remember voodoo economics? That was the derisive term George H.W. Bush used for Ronald Reagan’s fantasy that he could simultaneously increase defense spending, cut taxes and balance the budget. After Reagan became president (with Mr. Bush as his vice president) the budget deficit — surprise, surprise — soared.

    In a moment of unusual candor, Reagan’s own chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, Martin Feldstein, gave three reasons for the growth of the deficit: the president’s tax cuts, the increased defense spending and the interest on the expanding national debt.

    These were the self-proclaimed fiscal conservatives who were behaving so profligately. The budget was balanced and a surplus realized under Bill Clinton, but soon the “fiscal conservatives” were back in the driver’s seat. “Deficits don’t matter,” said Dick Cheney, and the wildest, most reckless of economic rides was on.

    Americans, including the Joe Sixpacks, soccer moms and hockey moms, were repeatedly told that the benefits lavished on the highfliers would trickle down to them. Someday.

    Just as they were wrong about trickle down, conservative Republican politicians and their closest buddies in the commentariat have been wrong on one important national issue after another, from Social Security (conservatives opposed it from the start and have been trying to undermine it ever since) to Medicare (Ronald Reagan saw it as the first wave of socialism) to the environment, energy policy and global warming.

    When the Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded to the discoverers of the link between chlorofluorocarbons and ozone depletion, Tom DeLay, a Republican who would go on to wield enormous power as majority leader in the House, mocked the award as the “Nobel Appeasement Prize.”

    Mr. Reagan, the ultimate political hero of so many Republicans, opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. In response to the historic Brown v. Board of Education school-desegregation ruling, William F. Buckley, the ultimate intellectual hero of so many Republicans, asserted that whites, being superior, were well within their rights to discriminate against blacks.

    “The White community is so entitled,” he wrote, “because, for the time being, it is the advanced race...” He would later repudiate that sentiment, but only after it was clear that his racist view was harmful to himself.

    The G.O.P. has done a great job masking the terrible consequences of much that it has stood for over the decades. Now the mask has slipped. As we survey the wreckage of the American economy and the real-life suffering associated with the financial crackup of 2008, it would be well for voters to draw upon the lessons of history and think more seriously about the consequences of the ballots they may cast in the future.

  23. Look, Greg (can I call you Greg?) - we can agree on this, it would be well for voters to draw upon the lessons of history and think more seriously about the consequences of the ballots they may cast in the future

    Now - you explain Barney Frank and the Democratic partisan voting block. Tell me why we should trust any of them? Tell me why they even bother to come to work? They can vote without listening to any testimony whatsoever...

    And if you keep spinning the crap that Republicans don't care about racism and civil rights - you may regret it.

    tell me why Barney Frank isn't getting any criticism from you.

    Tell me about the ACORN voter fraud - what that means to you.

    Tell me about the hundred and ten MILLION DOLLARS that was supposed to help public schools....

  24. Not only did the Democrat Leadership in the 1990’s fail to address the rising threat of Radical Muslim Terrorism, as it threatened the Free World and the fine USA. The Democrat Party, led by the Clinton Administration, actually made it their policy to weaken the US Intel and Defense Capability after the first attack on the WTC in 1993.

    Democrats have stopped the USA from investing in serious efforts to become energy independent, halting all efforts for acquiring more Domestic Fossil resources, and prohibiting developments in Nuclear Energy as well. This has led the USA to become truly vulnerable on so many levels.

    But we now know, the Democrat Party also engaged in the most inept malfeasance in regards to Our Mortgage Industry, exploiting Fanny - Freddie, as well as the Justice Department to force the production in fatal LOANS which has eroded the confidence in Our Economy. These fools gave money to those who simply should never have been given such a burden, and now it poisons everything. The FANNY_FREDDIE_VIRUS is a monster. And the Democrat Party is entirely to blame, even preventing efforts by the GOP to reform this growing problem.

    And yet, after three major Democrat FAILURES, vivid policy disasters that the Democrat Party has sincere hurt the American People and the future of this fine Democracy?

    The Majority of Americans are blaming the GOP?

    OH my…

    It simply doesn’t make any sense at all.

    ACORN, Media & the Angry Right


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