Sunday, March 29, 2009

Just wondering...

Music festival teeters on the edge
...In previous years, Maxon said the festival enjoyed generous sponsorships from local banks and lumber companies. Those are gone this year.

”They just weren't able to be sponsors this year with the way the economy is,” Maxon explained, adding that the festival is out $50,000 in sponsorship revenue this year. “Even in a promoter's wildest dreams, you can't make that (amount) up in ticket sales.”...


Funny. I don't see the job-killers on the list of sponsors. How much does the "Alliance for Ethical Business" "Humboldt Watershed Council" "Baykeeper" and any of Kaitlin/Cobb's numerous front groups contribute? The big donors used to give ten and twenty thousand, didn't they? How much did "Baykeeper" give?

26 comments:

Tom Sebourn said...

Wow Rose, you compare Baykeeper to Maxam, Green Diamond and the banks? Which of these organizations ruined the retirement of millions of Americans?
Does David Cobb get million dollar bonuses paid for with tax payer money? Perhaps if these businesses were more ethical, they wouldn't be in the jam they are in.

Stephen said...

Over the decades PL/Maxxam put thousands of dollars into local non-profit causes and were always there quick to help with their equipment. I've never heard of any of the enviro organizations EVER contributing to local community building causes, either money or time because they never really cared about locals if they weren't contributors to enviro coffers or political causes.

For enviros, for Progressive activists, it's all about politics and image and as you can see from the above posts, political attack of for profit corporations is really all that is ever on their minds. If I've missed where EPIC/Earth First!/Humboldt Watershed Council/Baykeepers are out there in the community helping local people out even in small ways I'd like to hear of it. Please post where Baykeepers or EPIC is giving scholarships to their kids or lending hands for community projects without political purpose, just helping others out.

Rose said...

Actually as part of their "grassroots" cloak, ORGs like "Baykeeper/Moneykeeper" goes out and gives a speech to local school kids once or twice a year - it helps them get grant money and keep their tax status.

I'll have to pull up some of the lovely prose. It ought to be required reading, right up there with learning how to read food labels and understand when commercials are lying to you.

Rose said...

Tom, you're missing the point. And you of all people ought to get it. You know that successful businesses buy ads, and ads keep your company afloat. You need a successful thriving, competitive business community. The entire community benefits, and all of the feel-good programs and events are made possible as a result.

Thriving business communities would SAVE The SF Chronicle, the NY Times, The Seattle PI... start catering to, instead of punishing, your businesses and industry, and you will also thrive.

(And NO, that doesn't mean no oversight, or Love Canal - it means a balance between legitimate concerns and practices, and the needs of businesses, the pendulum right now is out of whack in the other direction from Love Canal.)

Tom Sebourn said...

Local environmental groups don't have the money to spend on on concerts like Blues By the Bay or the Eureka Jazz Festival, but Eureka Natural Foods, Wildberries Marketplace and The Co-op do put on a pretty good show for the Organic Planet Festival.
If the lumber companies don't have the money because of the bust and boom cycles of their industry to help pay for the concert then too bad. There was a lot of money in Palco before Maxxam leveraged it, took it away and cut the trees faster than the rate of growth to pay off the loans. And the banks? Haven't you been reading the news? They went into the gambling business with peoples mortgages. Coast Central didn't do this and they are sound. Yeah, big business does advertise to improve their image. Many companies also keep small towns afloat. Not all corporations are bad, it's just that they have no conscious. They are designed to make profits. Most share holders don't care how they do it, they just want more profits. Our system is designed around greed. Thankfully, we have supermarkets in town and other local businesses that do support local functions that benefit the County.
Maybe Blues By The Bay and the Jazz Festival are too expensive to do in this economy. If public events have to be supported by companies that aren't sound, they aren't going to be around for very long. Honest companies with honest business plans tend to be around longer and do more good. Wildberries still has employees, how many does Maxxam or Washington Mutual have?

Stephen said...

Tom, to those of us who are real environmentalists and not politicos posing as environmentalists, the organizations you applaud I hold as ethically criminal in their actions that contributed to the decades of homesteader eco-damage to Humboldt endangered fish spawning grounds, salmonoid fish species being key for the ecological health and well-being of all our north coast species. As a politically conscious person you can't see this terrible damage that has been caused because the orgs you praise are directing all available environmental protection energy in our community and elsewhere to only corporate cause eco-damage. It isn't just about "corporate greed" but also about activist greed for fame at the expense of environmental protection truth.

Tom Sebourn said...

Stephen, so PL/Maxxam are the real environmentalists? These organizations you say I speak of, Wildberries, Eureka Natural Foods and the Co-op? What is your problem with them?

Tom Sebourn said...

Oh, I forgot. Rose refered to Humboldt Baykeeper and so I responded that to compare them to the banks and lumber companies was absurd. I know that some of the groups that I didn't mention are over the top. That's why I didn't mention them. Humboldt Baykeeper doesn't destroy ecosystems or charge 29 percent interest. Apples and Oranges.

Tom Sebourn said...

Also, Rose, Windows Vista doesn't trust your blog. It says there are unsecured items on it. Not sure what exactly that means, but I don't get it on the Humboldt Herald or my blog.

Rose said...

Unsecured items? Hmmm. I don't know what those could be other than possibly YouTube embeds.

Thanks, Tom, I'll look into that.

Anonymous said...

No big deal, the unsecured items.

Stephen said...

I'm responding to what you posted, Tom:

"Wow Rose, you compare Baykeeper to Maxam, Green Diamond and the banks? Which of these organizations ruined the retirement of millions of Americans?
Does David Cobb get million dollar bonuses paid for with tax payer money? Perhaps if these businesses were more ethical, they wouldn't be in the jam they are in."

How does one get through the political blinders that the point I make when I compare eco-damage of the targeted corporations here with eco-damage of the funders of the enviro organizations like Baykeeper is that enviros are the pot calling the kettle black. Gross hypocrisy by such activists because they do not ever throw lawsuits at their benefactors who are doing so damn much eco-damage, and I mean a lot more destruction to endangered species habitat than the timber corporations which are highly regulated whereas there's hardly any for homestead subdivision development. This doesn't mean I condone corporate eco-destruction or ethics of business. I spent over a decade trying to remove outside corporate ownership of the 200,000 acres that Palco owned if you might recall to put that land directly under local community ownership-- PL employees and tribal ownership and management. In other words, I didn't just criticize existing corporations but tried to change them which is what needs to be done. Not this perpetual political warfare that is only a distraction and escalator for activist careers but never addresses the real problems of community ownership and land use.

Anonymous said...

Eco damage? When you talk about "eco damage" what about the "eco damage" pot growers have done?

From the late 70's the fertilizer, rat poison, and ?? that ended up in the rivers. All the extra roads that chris cross the hills! And over the past 15 years the spilled, leaked, or disgardedd diesel and motor oil.

Anonymous said...

Maybe mresquan could kick in some of his drug money. Between him and the hash clinics in Arcata, there should be plenty of cash to keep these festivals afloat.

Stephen said...

That's another thing wrong with the major Humboldt sector funding these anti-corporate politically-motivated environmental lawsuit businesses like Baykeeper and EPIC. The pot growers only kick in token amounts of money even to these guys who are there to take their money to assuage political consciences that are educated by these same political enviro groups that only contributing to them fulfills community responsibility. I mean there has been a veritable gold mine of cash being made out there in the rural watersheds but how much of it every shows up in community support? You know, like hospitals and schools? Again, I hold these political enviro groups responsible for miseducating the local counterculture and homestead communities about what it really takes to be community-minded which is not just contributing to political causes. In this area, Palco was miles in front of any enviro organization and Arkley? Well, even political enviros have to give this family credit for community help above and beyond anything their critics have ever contributed.

mresquan said...

"Maybe mresquan could kick in some of his drug money. Between him and the hash clinics in Arcata, there should be plenty of cash to keep these festivals afloat."

Hell No!!My profits go to the ACLU so that they can arm the terrorists!!

Anonymous said...

Is Konkler still all pissy with the ACLU for opposing Measure T?

These DUHC suckers sure know how to hold a grudge.

mresquan said...

I will always hold a grudge against the A.C.L.U on issues where they continue to assert that corporations and businesses should have more rights and political clout than individuals.

Tom Sebourn said...

I don't like to bash a business, just because the owners have a different political view than myself. When I find out that they are funding things that attack my way of life, I choose not to support them. I frequent a couple of restaurants that are owned by conservatives. Mikes Garlic Fries and Philly Cheese Steak. (pronounced cheesesteak, all one word). I go there for food and if I don't talk politics, they are friendly and serve up quality and unique products. Knowing that the product is good and that most of the money I spend there stays local is an incentive to stop by when I happen to be hungry and in the area.
If they were obviously progressive, I would probably go there more often.

Tom Sebourn said...

Rose, thanks for the info about the unsecure site message. It probably is you tube.

Rose said...

Who is funding things that attack your way of life?

Anonymous said...

The ACLU, obviously, since they fund many instances of defense of our Constitution, such as recently in Missouri where they made the state back down on their ridiculous security document characterizing Ron Paul and Bob Barr supporters as suspected terrorists.

But since they oppose David Cobb's fraudulent fundraising scam known as 'Measure T' they will always be evil in Konkler's book. But he'll be the first to squeel for their help when he eventually moves out of his mommy's house and joins the rest of us in this cold, cruel world where all sorts of surprises are in store.

Anonymous said...

Rose,what a great country we have(had) where someone as confused as Sebourn can have a pretty nice life. When he tries to splan himself though,it's the blind leading the blind.

mresquan said...

Obviously you lack some basic reading comprehension,so there is no point in going back and forth about the ACLU.But I'll give you a second chance by reposting the comment you must be referring to.Rad more carefully and you may gather that I agree with much of what they do,but not issues where they assert one non person has more rights than other persons.

"I will always hold a grudge against the A.C.L.U on issues where they continue to assert that corporations and businesses should have more rights and political clout than individuals."

Stephen said...

I too hold a grudge against ACLU but also support most of their work. I've tried as a member to get ACLU to take on the U.S. Congress' support of the Jewish state of Israel as a clear violation of the U.S. Constitution's Separation of Church and State amendment which forbids the government aiding in the "establishment of religion". ACLU isn't interested because in my opinion the ACLU membership is too heavily Jewish and most Jews are Zionists.

Anonymous said...

Since our drug dealing friend mresquan is such an expert, perhaps he can explain where anyone is arguing to have businesses have "greater rights" than him.

Of course Marky has no more right to practice law than Lil'Cobb does in this state, but we await our re-education regardless.