Apparently, the network said they don't run controversial topic ads, and they don't run ads that list the website at the end. Bear in mind this was PAID ad time.
"Freedom of speech: at some of our networks, you can't even buy it!"
Do you see anything offensive in that ad, Eric? I don't.
Why would a major network refuse paid advertising? It wasn't the part of the ad where a cross section of people thank the troops, it was the fact that the whole thing is designed to get you to go to the Freedom's Watch website.
Who is Freedom's Watch?
from Wikipedia: "Freedom's Watch is an advocacy group in part run and supported by former officials of the Bush administration. The organization states that its goal is "educating individuals about and advancing public policies that protect America’s interests at home and abroad, foster economic prosperity, and strengthen families."
The Freedom's Watch web site states, "Those who want to quit while victory is possible have dominated the public debate about terror and Iraq since the 2004 election. Freedom's Watch is going to change that."
from Freedom's Watch "about us":
CORE ISSUE AREAS: We will have four fundamental issue areas that are generational in breadth and scope.
* The dangers of radical Islam and the emerging Iranian threat * Advancing a conservative agenda and market-based solutions to pressing domestic problems * Standing up to Big Labor’s radical agenda * Preventing the degeneration of our society by stopping the legalization of controlled substances.
I'll add that these are the same folks who screamed bloody murder about MoveOn.org's advertising campaign against the war.
The piece presents OPINIONS which are in direct opposition to those of NBC. By the way, opinions may be mistaken or in error, but are not "lies". The main objection to MoveOn's ad in the NYT was the characterization of Gen. Petreus as traitorous because he was about to make statements that the leftists did not want to hear but which many of them were later forced to acknowledge.
"The piece presents OPINIONS which are in direct opposition to those of NBC."
You think that GE doesn't profit from war?
ANON asked,"How is it a "big lie" you farking lunatic?"
Let's see,the part about protecting our freedoms(ever heard of the Patriot ACT?),keeping our country safe(never had to fear otherwise,except for repurcussions against us for constant meddling in foreign affairs,9/11 could have been thwarted if the administration didn't want to use it as a reason to carry out their long term goals). Still,they should air it,although it certainly could put a sick feeling into the stomachs of many other than myself(the 70%+ who want our troops brought home from Iraq),seeing how these whackjobs running the country have ruined the military and continue to endanger the lives of the troops to pursue their own agendas.
Press Releases › Ron Paul: Missing Weapons Put Soldiers at Risk, Wastes Tax Dollars [Email this] [Print this]
December 7, 2007 12:13 pm EST
ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – An Inspector General’s report released today finds that over 12,000 weapons in Iraq – including pistols, assault rifles, rocket propelled grenades and machine guns – worth approximately $1 billion, have gone missing. In response, Ron Paul issued the following statement:
“It is deeply disturbing that thousands of weapons – paid for by American taxpayers – are unaccounted for. These weapons could find their way into the hands of those wanting to do harm to American soldiers.
“Once again, this unwise and unnecessary war is having the unintended consequence of damaging our national security. It is time to bring our troops home and out of harm’s way.”
I've been called the cut and paste king on this blog,so I wouldn't want to disappoint.
It is an opinion piece which should be aired,...and rightfully criticized. And equal time should be given to anti-war pieces.I can't remember the last time an anti-war ad ran on NBC. Anyways,it's a beautiful day,so time to get out and enjoy it.
"You think that GE doesn't profit from war?" Murdock contributes $ to Democrats. Your point is GE should be against thanking the troops??? The missing weapons have probably been transferred to Hamas via the Palestinian Authority. That seems to be how our government "works". By the way; thanks for admitting to the opinion thing as well as favoring the broadcast. There may be a glimmer of hope for you.
The troops serve the Commander in Chief. The Commander in Chief serves the haves and the have mores. The haves and the have mores benefit when our troops are used to further their goals. I suppose 11:58 regrets that our soldiers have but one life to give for those sorry, silly, stupid, greedy fucking lying, thieving, murdering bastards. We weren't attacked on 9/11 by Iraq. Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction. We have killed more Iraqi people than Saddam did. Our soldiers have been blown to bits because the American Government is controlled by super-rich corporations with interests world wide. God bless an America whose workers have been sold out to China and whose children fight in the Middle East for the rights of transnational oil companies to make an unfair profit on Iraqi' oil, while the president runs up a debt for the American tax payer larger than the combined debt of all Presidents past.
6:23. Hitler didn't have "weapons of mass destruction" either. How many did he kill? If you can stand some input from "the other side" visit The Religion of Peace link in the sidebar.
You know sometimes it is the simple things that illustrate the point best. In this country, if a school teacher and her students named a teddy bear "Jesus" - what would have happened?
As usual, Rose, you offer up paranoia rather than reasoned argument. The story about the teddy bear has nothing to do with Iraq or why our soldiers are dying there. Religious fanaticism is as old as religion. Blind patriotism is as old as government. Both are rooted in fear. Governments and religions use your fear and anger to do their bidding. The government controls the Media, so , you hate Arabs, Hugo Chavez, and undocumented Mexican Workers because they are threatening our American freedoms which are worth dying for. But these freedoms were already guaranteed by our Constitution and Bill of Rights and realized in the last century when working class people organized for better working conditions and higher wages. Only the ill-informed believe that we are fighting for our freedoms in the Middle East. If I have only one life to give for my Country it will be given while taking my Country back from the Corporations that stole it.
Apparently, the network said they don't run controversial topic ads, and they don't run ads that list the website at the end. Bear in mind this was PAID ad time.
Well, I've seen it before. MoveOn can't buy ads on any of the major networks. I don't know anything about the organization, but maybe it's the content at the website that concerns them.
Maybe they should offer it again sans the website address.
You have to admit, Eric, there's a big difference in the TONE of this ad and the ads MoveOn.Org puts out, if nothing else.
I have heard of some of MoveOn's being denied because the networks asked them to verify some of statements they were making. That's fair, in my book. Regardless, I don't think the url should be censored.
I don't see how saying "Thank You," to the troops is controversial since the libbydems all SAY they support the troops. Or is that one of those wink, wink, nod, nod things?
Have you ever noticed how much Osama Bin Laden looks like Jesus, Rose, I mean, except for the turban they could be brothers. Do you think Jesus had a Turban? You never see him in a turban but in illustrated bible stories the men always wear turbans. Why do you think that is? They used to stone women for cheating on their husbands and give burned animal offerings to god. Sometimes fathers impregnated their daughters and brothers sold brothers into slavery. Glad we don't do those things today. We only commit atrocities when sanctioned by our Government. Civilization is wonderful isn't it. Brutality of our fellow human beings by us whenever the Government calls for it. Focus on the hate. Focus on the fear. Watch the neo-conservative Fox News Channel or the CNN Corporate News Channel or any of the other corporate broadcast conglomerates and get a very skewed view of the world. Have they tried to sell their propaganda to Fox News or are they trying to get a larger audience.
Yeah, we had the Salem Witch Trials and alot of other bad things in out past. But we evolve. We are continually striving to be better.
I wonder though, if you strip away the veneer of civilization, especially in this day and age of easy pickin's, just how fast that animal mentality reasserts itself, and just who would be the meanest and most vicious.
"I wonder though, if you strip away the veneer of civilization, especially in this day and age of easy pickin's, just how fast that animal mentality reasserts itself, and just who would be the meanest and most vicious."
Excellent point Rose! Throughout the world for at least two thousand years their have been civilizations that were at least as evolved as we are. Hunter gatherer societies lived with less material affluence but had a richer social and spiritual life because they only had to work four hour a day to provide for their basic needs of food clothing and shelter. Agriculture made it possible for city states and barter goods became commodities with attributable monetary worth. It seems that the veneer of civilization always gets stripped away when an imbalance happens. Such as when one country has too much power and makes a choice to grab for something that it wants using it's military force rather than through trade negotiations. At the present time of shear animal brutality, that has never been matched by the rest of the animal world, the greed for power and wealth is sold to the people who have to pay the cost in lives and treasure as security. But the security is not for me or you. The ones who get the most security are the ones making the biggest profits. And they are the meanest and most vicious.
You'll never get rid of war unless you get rid of the warlike nature of man. We have men here who are not in the army who are just as warlike as any have ever been. They desire to dominate, control and command, and take other people's property as their own.
You can drop all the class warfare and corporation BS. It doesn't fly here.
It is only because we have it so good, and you are so comfortable that you even have time to play little semantic games.
The warlike nature of man is a myth. Given a choice most soldiers would rather be with their families. War is started by those who have something to gain. Soldiers do not start wars. War serves the weapons makers. War steels from the middle class and the poor.
How do I know Osama Bin Laden looks like Jesus? Are you serious?
"Hunter gatherer societies lived with less material affluence but had a richer social and spiritual life because they only had to work four hour a day to provide for their basic needs of food clothing and shelter." Yeah, sure. Go out there and try to work four hrs. a day with no firearms, matches, nylon gill nets, outboard motors, pickup trucks, metal tools or any of the other stuff those "eeevil corporations" have brought you and see how long you last. I hope you can get past that hogwash you picked up in your 3rd grade social studies class.
10:05 PM: "Have you ever noticed how much Osama Bin Laden looks like Jesus...[?]" No. The batteries on my digital camera (supplied by some evil, greedy corporation) were dead the last time I saw Jesus.
The following is leftist logic at work: "Not only did we invade Iraq to steal their oil, but we're paying them too much for it."
7:16, I don't think Jesus would've plotted to send young men in to rack up frequent flyer miles as camouflage for a mission to kill thousands of innocent people. Somehow I just don't think Jesus would do that.
Stephen - THAT IS AWESOME!
And, 11:04 is it? Exactly which societies is it in the past that have been as evolved as we are?
Hey! Maybe Jesus is in Iraq, but, Osama Bin Laden is not.
Corporations that close production facilities in the USA and open shop in another country are "eeevil" and so is the American Government when it gives those corporations tax incentives to do so.
I don't think Jesus would send the American war machine to rain down destruction on Iraq so that the evolved Western civilizations could control Iraqi owned oil.
As a species we are no more evolved than we were 10,000 years ago. Culturally some of us seem to be stuck in some closed state of limbo in which we can't see and feel beyond our greed, on the one hand, and the ability to manipulate others through anger and fear.
So, where is Osama Bin Laden? Do you think that our fearless government leaders will see fit to find him once he is no longer a useful tool?
You are right about not being able to make a living with out my truck and other corporately made tools. The problem is that I have to work seven days a week just to afford those things. It didn't used to be that way. There was a time when working people didn't have to get by on subsistence wages. There was a time when one parent could provide for his family's needs. There was a time when credit card debt was not a cancer on the family budget.
9:42 AM, You are right that we are pretty much the same organisms we were 10,000 yrs. ago. Two things that definitely have not changed in human nature for the entire time: war and sex, nor are they likely to do so in spite of leftists efforts. It's called "human nature".
"There was a time when one parent could provide for his family's needs" Bingo!! That all changed when the federal government started seizing (taxing at the rate of) 27% of the GDP. Add another 20% for state and local governments and almost is half going for taxes. As for credit card debt; when the population became dumbed down enough by the government indoctrination system into spending more than it earned the self inflicted "cancer" exploded.
I think, Pogo, that you are mostly right. I think it is mans nature to fight for survival especially if he is fighting for the survival of his family. Where I think that we differ is when that instinct was triggered by 9/11 and a manipulative government/corporate partnership with the media on board created an elevated level of fear and anger so that we would be duped into fighting this bait and switch war with Iraq. The end game is control of Iraqi oil fields. Has nothing to do with fighting terrorism.
2:54 PM You are not alone in signing on to conspiracy theories about the motives for attacking Saddam's regime. The facts of the issue are however that the attack on Saddam was really only the conclusion of the Gulf War of 1991. Saddam failed to abide by the terms he had agreed to which ended the Iraqi rout from Kuwait. The mistake made by Bush I in not forcing a satisfactory conclusion (for whatever reason) to that event allowed Saddam to viciously eliminate his insurgent Shia' enemies and stonewall the UN inspectors charged with the enforcement of the terms of the cease fire. Given Saddam's Arab vanity, not forcing his complete humiliation and removal after the Iraqi defeat, almost certainly assured the events of 2003. The attack of 9/11 although not directly attributed to him served as a convenient pretext due to his big mouth in supporting terrorist activities, and bloodily suppressing his political enemies. The failure to resolve the Saddam issue after 9/11 would have seriously crippled the credibility of US resolve to protect its interests in the Middle East. Had the US and UK not enforced the "no fly" zones (1992-2003) the same fate would have befallen the Kurds.
After Saddam's removal, the decision to engage in "nation building" by Bush II can arguably be evaluated as a mistake. The jury is still out on that one except for the partisan points the Democrats continue to score by attempting to assure a defeat simply to make Bush II look bad.
I will dismiss your Marxist, anti capitalist statements on this thread as the result of ignorance. If the control of the Iraqi oil fields is to be posited as a pretext for the "war", the current price of crude oil would deem it as dismal failure.
Should you wish to refute any of my positions on this or any other issue you may do so on my linked blog site.
After the oil embargo that created gas shortages in the seventies, the US cut a deal with the Saudi King. Saudi Arabia would invest it's fantastic oil revenues in American securities in return American engineers and construction firms would modernize Saudi Arabia and train the Saudi National Guard as the Royal family's personal security. It provided the sluggish American economy a steroid shot in the ass. Our government and it's corporate political money laundering operation decided that what was good for Saudi Arabia was good for Saddam's Iraq. Saddam wouldn't play. When his neighbor to the south began directional drilling into an Iraqi oil field Saddam was told that the US would look the other way as he settled the dispute. He was tricked. But he still wouldn't invest his countries oil money in America in return for American construction companies rebuilding his country that we had just nearly bombed back into the stone age. The CIA tried to assassinate him, but, he had to many body doubles. Sanctions were used to no avail. When sanctions were due to expire, Saddam was making contracts with the French for his oil to be paid with euros not American Dollars. He was negotiating with Russia at the same time with oil for Russian currency. That is why we attacked Iraq. That is why we installed it's new government that answers to the US and why we have built the worlds largest embassy in Baghdad. The reason for 9/11 is that we had our infidel military force parked on the Holy Land. G.W.B.'s mission accomplished speech from the flight deck of the Abraham Lincoln came two weeks after we had pulled our forces out of Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden won that war of terror, while we continue to wage a war of terror in Iraq. And though we have secured oil fields the best we can, pipelines remain a weak link, though I assume that if those pesky Democrats keep voting to fund the war the oil production and delivery will reach projected goals.
I've written and deleted several replies. Pointless to argue when you are so entrenched in your position.
So, I just have one question. WHAT are you going to do when Bush leaves Office? What will happen to all this hate? Will it finally be laid to rest? Or will you turn your sights on a new target and keep it alive?
Rose maybe Annon 6:38 could go after a real bad corporation that's selling off choice pieces of America to the highest bidder. A corporation that cons millions of dollars from college kids,old people and nice folks wanting to do something helpful,telling them they will use the money to protect threatened places. Instead this corporation sells most of the property's for obscene profits only keeping the pieces with futrure marketable resource value. Rose, Annon 6:38 could do some real good with all that anger going after the #1 profitable land buyer and seller corporation in the world.
Do you think that George Bush is the problem, Rose? We have a two party system and both parties are beholding to corporations. Make that "eeevil" corporations. Our economy grew at around 2 percent this year. Though painful for the poor and the middle class, Wall Street did well. Still there is a lot of things in stores to buy. Not much of it is made in this country any more. China is investing in a big way in it's military - specifically it's navy and air force and at the same time loaning the USA enough money to keep us from going bankrupt. The euro is stronger than the dollar and if oil is traded in that currency rather than dollars peak oil is going to seem meaningless. You can dismiss me as an anti-capitalist Marxist, but that would be incorrect. I am anti-multinational corporations that have the vast wealth and power to direct national governments to the detriment of working class people.
Well, I kinda look at it this way. Money, being rich, isn't everything. People live with great dignity and happiness in what you would call poverty. They have throughout time. So "great wealth and power" doesn't mean a whole helluva lot.
Secondly, if you have a house, you live better than the great kings and queens of old. they would have sent armies to acquire what you take for granted - lights on demand, hot and cold running water, and so much more.
You're lucky. You live in a place and time where you have more than any civilization has ever had, regardless of your economic status.
There are countless blogs with bloggers who will be happy to engage you, and wallow in your despair with you. Maybe you oughtta find one of those. They're much more qualified than I when it comes to your favorite topics.
It's pretty hard to live in this country without money. There is no dignity in carpet bombing a third world country because they have something that some rich corporations lust for. There is no dignity to laying waste to a civilization with spent uranium munitions that will contaminate the ground, air and water. There is no dignity in the terrible disfiguring mutations and still births that our government has cursed the Iraqi people with forever. Money isn't everything, but the government spends the biggest share of our tax money serving "eeevil" corporations instead of serving the people that shoulder the burden. The "great" kings and queens of old lived on the labor of their people who fought their wars of conquest and were allowed little for themselves. Little has changed. Forty million people in this country are considered poor and often go to bed hungry. The "great" kings and queens of old would have sent their conquering armies to conscript soldiers maybe. In this country we send recruiters. So what has changed? Oh yeah. Hot and cold running water.
You're right, conditions have improved in Iraq since Saddam has been gone. And conditions have improved in the world since the days of cave men, and since the kings and queens of old. They've improved since the 30s 40s 50s and 60s, too.
People are good. People in this country are good. You have to get rid of the bad guys so the good people can live in the peace we all desire.
Conditions have improved in Iraq? How do you know? It is too dangerous for western journalists to travel in that country. Iraqi government officials risk their lives when they leave the green zone. The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people believe that the Americans are the bad guys. Every Iraqi citizen has been touched by the brutal hand of the American occupation. You are misinformed.
It would appear that 5:00 AM is of the "Black Helicopter" persuasion. He/she is long on assertions but fails to cite any sources and having not actually read Marx/Engels does not realize he/she is regurgitating the lecture notes from academics who are in fact followers of Karl and Fredrik. Debating with them is very much like doing so with a warmista: all phenomena as well as the opposites are cited as proof of their assertions e.g. warming/cooling, increased rainfall/drought, ice melting/ ice buildup are all cited as reasons to give government more power over us. Facts are facts but the conclusions drawn from those facts are subject to opinion which are usually unprovable and to be accepted on faith (as in religion).
5:00 AM and and other Marxists are careful to only condemn "eeevil" corporations i.e. successful ones, not the vast preponderance of them which are of the mom and pop variety. Those purges are as yet to come.
Jesus is phony. Go look it up. The Greeks worshiped Dionysus 1500 (thats fifteen HUNDRED) years before Jesus was even born. He turned water into wine. Walked on water. Was crucified. Resurrected and walked among the people. Pull your head out of your ass. Christian people have a very low IQ. But since were on Rose's blog, I will say that Muslims have a slightly lower IQ.
Maybe a nice way of saying thank you would be to bring them home so they don't get killed. Rose if you get worked up over a shallow TV ad then you're even more of a mental midget than you appear.
I'm confused now. Is 7:16 from 12/9 the same anonymous as 7:07 & 7:17 today? No matter. You'd better hurry, boy(s). You're gonna to be late for school!
You sure are a sucker for propaganda Rose. Four million refugees have been created by the Iraq war. It's likely that the soldiers are handing out school books to children who have no teacher. Most of the middle and upper class have all left or been killed. There is little hope for Iraq now that the best educated are gone. The refugees are embittered and with few resources. Their children go without education. Over time they too will become politicized and join the militias. The "surge" has doubled the number of enemies that our soldiers have to deal with. You can now add the Shiite Mahdi Army to the list of our sworn enemies. This bogus war on terror is a war on Muslims for the ultimate goal of controlling Middle East oil reserves. The result will be the further radicalization and recruitment of young Muslim men to take up arms to fight the infidel army that invaded and now occupies their land.
Robin, just take a look. Bin Laden is the taller one wearing the tunic. If Bin Laden used "Just For Men" to cover the gray and took off that turban, you could fall asleep in church while sitting next to him.
Annon 4:33 what a horrible thing to say. Is it that you think dark skinned Jews are phonies or that they are fake because they are black or is that a black savior is phony ? So much wrong with your horrible assumptions that you must truely be a modern liberal that would describe yourself as a progressive.
Why can't you just allow a grateful Thank You. A Happy Thanksgiving. And soon to be a Merry Christmas. And thanks to those who are overseas, away from their family in impossible conditions making sure that we all get to have our happy celebrations, decorate our trees, eat with friends and family. A THANK YOU to their families here, who celebrate without them, waiting for them to come home.
Okay, I'll bite. Why was it censored?
ReplyDeleteApparently, the network said they don't run controversial topic ads, and they don't run ads that list the website at the end. Bear in mind this was PAID ad time.
ReplyDelete"Freedom of speech: at some of our networks, you can't even buy it!"
Do you see anything offensive in that ad, Eric? I don't.
Now you've done it, Rose. I was going to swipe it, but you were quicker on the trigger finger.
ReplyDeleteI guess my new friend Al...or Alice (no offense meant tonite, anonymous, you know) was correct. I'm "slow".
Oh well, I kinda think AL likes me, called me an 'ol dogg. Made my heart happy.
Oh, the subject....absolutely a less than thoughtful decision on their part.........
Would they do one for Ramadan?
Wollf
Your linkings give me great happiness! Thanks!
ReplyDeleteWhy would a major network refuse paid advertising? It wasn't the part of the ad where a cross section of people thank the troops, it was the fact that the whole thing is designed to get you to go to the Freedom's Watch website.
ReplyDeleteWho is Freedom's Watch?
from Wikipedia:
"Freedom's Watch is an advocacy group in part run and supported by former officials of the Bush administration. The organization states that its goal is "educating individuals about and advancing public policies that protect America’s interests at home and abroad, foster economic prosperity, and strengthen families."
The Freedom's Watch web site states, "Those who want to quit while victory is possible have dominated the public debate about terror and Iraq since the 2004 election. Freedom's Watch is going to change that."
from Freedom's Watch "about us":
CORE ISSUE AREAS: We will have four fundamental issue areas that are generational in breadth and scope.
* The dangers of radical Islam and the emerging Iranian threat
* Advancing a conservative agenda and market-based solutions to pressing domestic problems
* Standing up to Big Labor’s radical agenda
* Preventing the degeneration of our society by stopping the legalization of controlled substances.
I'll add that these are the same folks who screamed bloody murder about MoveOn.org's advertising campaign against the war.
Well it shouldn't be censored but it sure is a big lie.
ReplyDeleteThe ad says, "THANK YOU!" to the people who serve, Mark.
ReplyDeleteNot politically correct, I realize.
Konkler,
ReplyDeleteHow is it a "big lie" you farking lunatic?
Those people are expressing THEIR thankfullness, you piece of shite.
We know how YOU feel, we know that they arent expressing your thankfullness.
Moron.
The piece presents OPINIONS which are in direct opposition to those of NBC. By the way, opinions may be mistaken or in error, but are not "lies". The main objection to MoveOn's ad in the NYT was the characterization of Gen. Petreus as traitorous because he was about to make statements that the leftists did not want to hear but which many of them were later forced to acknowledge.
ReplyDelete"The piece presents OPINIONS which are in direct opposition to those of NBC."
ReplyDeleteYou think that GE doesn't profit from war?
ANON asked,"How is it a "big lie" you farking lunatic?"
Let's see,the part about protecting our freedoms(ever heard of the Patriot ACT?),keeping our country safe(never had to fear otherwise,except for repurcussions against us for constant meddling in foreign affairs,9/11 could have been thwarted if the administration didn't want to use it as a reason to carry out their long term goals).
Still,they should air it,although it certainly could put a sick feeling into the stomachs of many other than myself(the 70%+ who want our troops brought home from Iraq),seeing how these whackjobs running the country have ruined the military and continue to endanger the lives of the troops to pursue their own agendas.
Press Releases › Ron Paul: Missing Weapons Put Soldiers at Risk, Wastes Tax Dollars
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December 7, 2007 12:13 pm EST
ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – An Inspector General’s report released today finds that over 12,000 weapons in Iraq – including pistols, assault rifles, rocket propelled grenades and machine guns – worth approximately $1 billion, have gone missing. In response, Ron Paul issued the following statement:
“It is deeply disturbing that thousands of weapons – paid for by American taxpayers – are unaccounted for. These weapons could find their way into the hands of those wanting to do harm to American soldiers.
“Once again, this unwise and unnecessary war is having the unintended consequence of damaging our national security. It is time to bring our troops home and out of harm’s way.”
I've been called the cut and paste king on this blog,so I wouldn't want to disappoint.
Hey Whack job...the whole as was a big THANK YOU to the troops serving our country.
ReplyDeleteFarking lunatic
It is an opinion piece which should be aired,...and rightfully criticized.
ReplyDeleteAnd equal time should be given to anti-war pieces.I can't remember the last time an anti-war ad ran on NBC.
Anyways,it's a beautiful day,so time to get out and enjoy it.
"You think that GE doesn't profit from war?"
ReplyDeleteMurdock contributes $ to Democrats. Your point is GE should be against thanking the troops???
The missing weapons have probably been transferred to Hamas via the Palestinian Authority. That seems to be how our government "works".
By the way; thanks for admitting to the opinion thing as well as favoring the broadcast. There may be a glimmer of hope for you.
The troops serve the Commander in Chief. The Commander in Chief serves the haves and the have mores. The haves and the have mores benefit when our troops are used to further their goals. I suppose 11:58 regrets that our soldiers have but one life to give for those sorry, silly, stupid, greedy fucking lying, thieving, murdering bastards. We weren't attacked on 9/11 by Iraq. Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction. We have killed more Iraqi people than Saddam did. Our soldiers have been blown to bits because the American Government is controlled by super-rich corporations with interests world wide. God bless an America whose workers have been sold out to China and whose children fight in the Middle East for the rights of transnational oil companies to make an unfair profit on Iraqi' oil, while the president runs up a debt for the American tax payer larger than the combined debt of all Presidents past.
ReplyDeleteBig thank you? Big Shame! Bring the troops home.
Hey 6:23What's that KoolAid laced with?
ReplyDelete6:23. Hitler didn't have "weapons of mass destruction" either. How many did he kill? If you can stand some input from "the other side" visit The Religion of Peace link in the sidebar.
ReplyDeleteYou know sometimes it is the simple things that illustrate the point best. In this country, if a school teacher and her students named a teddy bear "Jesus" - what would have happened?
Ummmm.......Hermandad Mexicana Latinoamericana would declare a "Gordo-wa" on her?
ReplyDeleteOh....that was bad.
Al
As usual, Rose, you offer up paranoia rather than reasoned argument. The story about the teddy bear has nothing to do with Iraq or why our soldiers are dying there. Religious fanaticism is as old as religion. Blind patriotism is as old as government. Both are rooted in fear. Governments and religions use your fear and anger to do their bidding. The government controls the Media, so , you hate Arabs, Hugo Chavez, and undocumented Mexican Workers because they are threatening our American freedoms which are worth dying for. But these freedoms were already guaranteed by our Constitution and Bill of Rights and realized in the last century when working class people organized for better working conditions and higher wages. Only the ill-informed believe that we are fighting for our freedoms in the Middle East. If I have only one life to give for my Country it will be given while taking my Country back from the Corporations that stole it.
ReplyDeleteOh, balderdash. Take your neat little box and go try to fit it on someone else. And, get help.
ReplyDeleteApparently, the network said they don't run controversial topic ads, and they don't run ads that list the website at the end. Bear in mind this was PAID ad time.
ReplyDeleteWell, I've seen it before. MoveOn can't buy ads on any of the major networks. I don't know anything about the organization, but maybe it's the content at the website that concerns them.
Maybe they should offer it again sans the website address.
I would assume that was tried.
ReplyDeleteYou have to admit, Eric, there's a big difference in the TONE of this ad and the ads MoveOn.Org puts out, if nothing else.
I have heard of some of MoveOn's being denied because the networks asked them to verify some of statements they were making. That's fair, in my book. Regardless, I don't think the url should be censored.
I don't see how saying "Thank You," to the troops is controversial since the libbydems all SAY they support the troops. Or is that one of those wink, wink, nod, nod things?
mresquan, GE profits from everything. That's what corporations do. In fact, that's what we all do. You, too, assuming someone pays you.
ReplyDeleteHave you ever noticed how much Osama Bin Laden looks like Jesus, Rose, I mean, except for the turban they could be brothers. Do you think Jesus had a Turban? You never see him in a turban but in illustrated bible stories the men always wear turbans. Why do you think that is? They used to stone women for cheating on their husbands and give burned animal offerings to god. Sometimes fathers impregnated their daughters and brothers sold brothers into slavery. Glad we don't do those things today. We only commit atrocities when sanctioned by our Government. Civilization is wonderful isn't it. Brutality of our fellow human beings by us whenever the Government calls for it. Focus on the hate. Focus on the fear. Watch the neo-conservative Fox News Channel or the CNN Corporate News Channel or any of the other corporate broadcast conglomerates and get a very skewed view of the world. Have they tried to sell their propaganda to Fox News or are they trying to get a larger audience.
ReplyDeleteAhh, yes. Man's inhumanity to man.
ReplyDeleteYeah, we had the Salem Witch Trials and alot of other bad things in out past. But we evolve. We are continually striving to be better.
I wonder though, if you strip away the veneer of civilization, especially in this day and age of easy pickin's, just how fast that animal mentality reasserts itself, and just who would be the meanest and most vicious.
Just knock the lights out in Los Angeles or Chicago for a couple nights......
ReplyDeleteWe as a whole are not Good People, Al. Neither are Governments. Neither are Corporations.
But there are enough Good People out there, who realize the tenuous nature of this "temporary cease fire" we call civilisation, to make it work.
Is our sytem perfect? By no means.
Just take a deep breath and watch the video again.
If you don't want to wish these People good......you're just off base.
Wollf
"I wonder though, if you strip away the veneer of civilization, especially in this day and age of easy pickin's, just how fast that animal mentality reasserts itself, and just who would be the meanest and most vicious."
ReplyDeleteExcellent point Rose! Throughout the world for at least two thousand years their have been civilizations that were at least as evolved as we are. Hunter gatherer societies lived with less material affluence but had a richer social and spiritual life because they only had to work four hour a day to provide for their basic needs of food clothing and shelter. Agriculture made it possible for city states and barter goods became commodities with attributable monetary worth. It seems that the veneer of civilization always gets stripped away when an imbalance happens. Such as when one country has too much power and makes a choice to grab for something that it wants using it's military force rather than through trade negotiations. At the present time of shear animal brutality, that has never been matched by the rest of the animal world, the greed for power and wealth is sold to the people who have to pay the cost in lives and treasure as security. But the security is not for me or you. The ones who get the most security are the ones making the biggest profits. And they are the meanest and most vicious.
Ah Wollf, I do wish these people good. I want them safely home. They do not need to die to make a rich man's pocketbook fat.
ReplyDeleteYou'll never get rid of war unless you get rid of the warlike nature of man. We have men here who are not in the army who are just as warlike as any have ever been. They desire to dominate, control and command, and take other people's property as their own.
ReplyDeleteYou can drop all the class warfare and corporation BS. It doesn't fly here.
It is only because we have it so good, and you are so comfortable that you even have time to play little semantic games.
You should be kissing those guys' feet.
A little off subject, I know, but I'm wondering how 10:05 knows Osama Bin Laden looks like Jesus?
ReplyDeleteThe warlike nature of man is a myth. Given a choice most soldiers would rather be with their families. War is started by those who have something to gain. Soldiers do not start wars. War serves the weapons makers. War steels from the middle class and the poor.
ReplyDeleteHow do I know Osama Bin Laden looks like Jesus? Are you serious?
Make that "steals".
ReplyDelete"Hunter gatherer societies lived with less material affluence but had a richer social and spiritual life because they only had to work four hour a day to provide for their basic needs of food clothing and shelter."
ReplyDeleteYeah, sure. Go out there and try to work four hrs. a day with no firearms, matches, nylon gill nets, outboard motors, pickup trucks, metal tools or any of the other stuff those "eeevil corporations" have brought you and see how long you last. I hope you can get past that hogwash you picked up in your 3rd grade social studies class.
10:05 PM: "Have you ever noticed how much Osama Bin Laden looks like Jesus...[?]"
No. The batteries on my digital camera (supplied by some evil, greedy corporation) were dead the last time I saw Jesus.
The following is leftist logic at work: "Not only did we invade Iraq to steal their oil, but we're paying them too much for it."
ROFLMAO.
ReplyDelete7:16, I don't think Jesus would've plotted to send young men in to rack up frequent flyer miles as camouflage for a mission to kill thousands of innocent people. Somehow I just don't think Jesus would do that.
Stephen - THAT IS AWESOME!
And, 11:04 is it? Exactly which societies is it in the past that have been as evolved as we are?
Hey! Maybe Jesus is in Iraq, but, Osama Bin Laden is not.
ReplyDeleteCorporations that close production facilities in the USA and open shop in another country are "eeevil" and so is the American Government when it gives those corporations tax incentives to do so.
I don't think Jesus would send the American war machine to rain down destruction on Iraq so that the evolved Western civilizations could control Iraqi owned oil.
As a species we are no more evolved than we were 10,000 years ago. Culturally some of us seem to be stuck in some closed state of limbo in which we can't see and feel beyond our greed, on the one hand, and the ability to manipulate others through anger and fear.
So, where is Osama Bin Laden? Do you think that our fearless government leaders will see fit to find him once he is no longer a useful tool?
You are right about not being able to make a living with out my truck and other corporately made tools. The problem is that I have to work seven days a week just to afford those things. It didn't used to be that way. There was a time when working people didn't have to get by on subsistence wages. There was a time when one parent could provide for his family's needs. There was a time when credit card debt was not a cancer on the family budget.
9:42 AM, You are right that we are pretty much the same organisms we were 10,000 yrs. ago. Two things that definitely have not changed in human nature for the entire time: war and sex, nor are they likely to do so in spite of leftists efforts. It's called "human nature".
ReplyDelete"There was a time when one parent could provide for his family's needs"
Bingo!! That all changed when the federal government started seizing (taxing at the rate of) 27% of the GDP. Add another 20% for state and local governments and almost is half going for taxes. As for credit card debt; when the population became dumbed down enough by the government indoctrination system into spending more than it earned the self inflicted "cancer" exploded.
I think, Pogo, that you are mostly right. I think it is mans nature to fight for survival especially if he is fighting for the survival of his family. Where I think that we differ is when that instinct was triggered by 9/11 and a manipulative government/corporate partnership with the media on board created an elevated level of fear and anger so that we would be duped into fighting this bait and switch war with Iraq. The end game is control of Iraqi oil fields. Has nothing to do with fighting terrorism.
ReplyDelete2:54 PM You are not alone in signing on to conspiracy theories about the motives for attacking Saddam's regime. The facts of the issue are however that the attack on Saddam was really only the conclusion of the Gulf War of 1991. Saddam failed to abide by the terms he had agreed to which ended the Iraqi rout from Kuwait. The mistake made by Bush I in not forcing a satisfactory conclusion (for whatever reason) to that event allowed Saddam to viciously eliminate his insurgent Shia' enemies and stonewall the UN inspectors charged with the enforcement of the terms of the cease fire. Given Saddam's Arab vanity, not forcing his complete humiliation and removal after the Iraqi defeat, almost certainly assured the events of 2003. The attack of 9/11 although not directly attributed to him served as a convenient pretext due to his big mouth in supporting terrorist activities, and bloodily suppressing his political enemies. The failure to resolve the Saddam issue after 9/11 would have seriously crippled the credibility of US resolve to protect its interests in the Middle East. Had the US and UK not enforced the "no fly" zones (1992-2003) the same fate would have befallen the Kurds.
ReplyDeleteAfter Saddam's removal, the decision to engage in "nation building" by Bush II can arguably be evaluated as a mistake. The jury is still out on that one except for the partisan points the Democrats continue to score by attempting to assure a defeat simply to make Bush II look bad.
I will dismiss your Marxist, anti capitalist statements on this thread as the result of ignorance. If the control of the Iraqi oil fields is to be posited as a pretext for the "war", the current price of crude oil would deem it as dismal failure.
Should you wish to refute any of my positions on this or any other issue you may do so on my linked blog site.
After the oil embargo that created gas shortages in the seventies, the US cut a deal with the Saudi King. Saudi Arabia would invest it's fantastic oil revenues in American securities in return American engineers and construction firms would modernize Saudi Arabia and train the Saudi National Guard as the Royal family's personal security. It provided the sluggish American economy a steroid shot in the ass. Our government and it's corporate political money laundering operation decided that what was good for Saudi Arabia was good for Saddam's Iraq. Saddam wouldn't play. When his neighbor to the south began directional drilling into an Iraqi oil field Saddam was told that the US would look the other way as he settled the dispute. He was tricked. But he still wouldn't invest his countries oil money in America in return for American construction companies rebuilding his country that we had just nearly bombed back into the stone age. The CIA tried to assassinate him, but, he had to many body doubles. Sanctions were used to no avail. When sanctions were due to expire, Saddam was making contracts with the French for his oil to be paid with euros not American Dollars. He was negotiating with Russia at the same time with oil for Russian currency. That is why we attacked Iraq. That is why we installed it's new government that answers to the US and why we have built the worlds largest embassy in Baghdad. The reason for 9/11 is that we had our infidel military force parked on the Holy Land. G.W.B.'s mission accomplished speech from the flight deck of the Abraham Lincoln came two weeks after we had pulled our forces out of Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden won that war of terror, while we continue to wage a war of terror in Iraq. And though we have secured oil fields the best we can, pipelines remain a weak link, though I assume that if those pesky Democrats keep voting to fund the war the oil production and delivery will reach projected goals.
ReplyDeleteI've written and deleted several replies. Pointless to argue when you are so entrenched in your position.
ReplyDeleteSo, I just have one question. WHAT are you going to do when Bush leaves Office? What will happen to all this hate? Will it finally be laid to rest? Or will you turn your sights on a new target and keep it alive?
Rose maybe Annon 6:38 could go after a real bad corporation that's selling off choice pieces of America to the highest bidder. A corporation that cons millions of dollars from college kids,old people and nice folks wanting to do something helpful,telling them they will use the money to protect threatened places. Instead this corporation sells most of the property's for obscene profits only keeping the pieces with futrure marketable resource value. Rose, Annon 6:38 could do some real good with all that anger going after the #1 profitable land buyer and seller corporation in the world.
ReplyDeleteBush isn't the whole problem Rose.Not by a longshot.
ReplyDeleteWhat you think of Gallegos,I think of Bush.
You want 'em to go after the Nature Conservancy, 7:16?
ReplyDeleteDo you think that George Bush is the problem, Rose? We have a two party system and both parties are beholding to corporations. Make that "eeevil" corporations. Our economy grew at around 2 percent this year. Though painful for the poor and the middle class, Wall Street did well. Still there is a lot of things in stores to buy. Not much of it is made in this country any more. China is investing in a big way in it's military - specifically it's navy and air force and at the same time loaning the USA enough money to keep us from going bankrupt. The euro is stronger than the dollar and if oil is traded in that currency rather than dollars peak oil is going to seem meaningless. You can dismiss me as an anti-capitalist Marxist, but that would be incorrect. I am anti-multinational corporations that have the vast wealth and power to direct national governments to the detriment of working class people.
ReplyDeleteWell, I kinda look at it this way. Money, being rich, isn't everything. People live with great dignity and happiness in what you would call poverty. They have throughout time. So "great wealth and power" doesn't mean a whole helluva lot.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, if you have a house, you live better than the great kings and queens of old. they would have sent armies to acquire what you take for granted - lights on demand, hot and cold running water, and so much more.
You're lucky. You live in a place and time where you have more than any civilization has ever had, regardless of your economic status.
There are countless blogs with bloggers who will be happy to engage you, and wallow in your despair with you. Maybe you oughtta find one of those. They're much more qualified than I when it comes to your favorite topics.
It's pretty hard to live in this country without money. There is no dignity in carpet bombing a third world country because they have something that some rich corporations lust for. There is no dignity to laying waste to a civilization with spent uranium munitions that will contaminate the ground, air and water. There is no dignity in the terrible disfiguring mutations and still births that our government has cursed the Iraqi people with forever. Money isn't everything, but the government spends the biggest share of our tax money serving "eeevil" corporations instead of serving the people that shoulder the burden. The "great" kings and queens of old lived on the labor of their people who fought their wars of conquest and were allowed little for themselves. Little has changed. Forty million people in this country are considered poor and often go to bed hungry. The "great" kings and queens of old would have sent their conquering armies to conscript soldiers maybe. In this country we send recruiters. So what has changed? Oh yeah. Hot and cold running water.
ReplyDeleteYou're right, conditions have improved in Iraq since Saddam has been gone. And conditions have improved in the world since the days of cave men, and since the kings and queens of old. They've improved since the 30s 40s 50s and 60s, too.
ReplyDeletePeople are good. People in this country are good. You have to get rid of the bad guys so the good people can live in the peace we all desire.
Like I said, you're on the wrong blog.
Conditions have improved in Iraq? How do you know? It is too dangerous for western journalists to travel in that country. Iraqi government officials risk their lives when they leave the green zone. The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people believe that the Americans are the bad guys. Every Iraqi citizen has been touched by the brutal hand of the American occupation. You are misinformed.
ReplyDeleteYes, 7:16, I'm serious. How do you know Osama Bin Laden looks like Jesus?
ReplyDeleteIt would appear that 5:00 AM is of the "Black Helicopter" persuasion. He/she is long on assertions but fails to cite any sources and having not actually read Marx/Engels does not realize he/she is regurgitating the lecture notes from academics who are in fact followers of Karl and Fredrik. Debating with them is very much like doing so with a warmista: all phenomena as well as the opposites are cited as proof of their assertions e.g. warming/cooling, increased rainfall/drought, ice melting/ ice buildup are all cited as reasons to give government more power over us. Facts are facts but the conclusions drawn from those facts are subject to opinion which are usually unprovable and to be accepted on faith (as in religion).
ReplyDelete5:00 AM and and other Marxists are careful to only condemn "eeevil" corporations i.e. successful ones, not the vast preponderance of them which are of the mom and pop variety. Those purges are as yet to come.
Jesus is phony. Go look it up. The Greeks worshiped Dionysus 1500 (thats fifteen HUNDRED) years before Jesus was even born. He turned water into wine. Walked on water. Was crucified. Resurrected and walked among the people. Pull your head out of your ass. Christian people have a very low IQ. But since were on Rose's blog, I will say that Muslims have a slightly lower IQ.
ReplyDeleteMaybe a nice way of saying thank you would be to bring them home so they don't get killed. Rose if you get worked up over a shallow TV ad then you're even more of a mental midget than you appear.
ReplyDeleteI'm confused now. Is 7:16 from 12/9 the same anonymous as 7:07 & 7:17 today? No matter. You'd better hurry, boy(s). You're gonna to be late for school!
ReplyDeleteThe nature conservancy aka wolfs in sheeps clothing. they are truely todays kool-aid
ReplyDeleteI take umbrage to that, 10:42. I'm allergic to wool. It makes me itch.
ReplyDeleteEverybody, Always with the "wolf in sheep's clothing". "Big Bad Wolf"........
Xenophobe.
Wollf
MY GOD! There's been another incident of torture in Iraq. KT has the story from http://ustorture.blogspot.com/
ReplyDeleteYou sure are a sucker for propaganda Rose. Four million refugees have been created by the Iraq war. It's likely that the soldiers are handing out school books to children who have no teacher. Most of the middle and upper class have all left or been killed. There is little hope for Iraq now that the best educated are gone. The refugees are embittered and with few resources. Their children go without education. Over time they too will become politicized and join the militias. The "surge" has doubled the number of enemies that our soldiers have to deal with. You can now add the Shiite Mahdi Army to the list of our sworn enemies. This bogus war on terror is a war on Muslims for the ultimate goal of controlling Middle East oil reserves. The result will be the further radicalization and recruitment of young Muslim men to take up arms to fight the infidel army that invaded and now occupies their land.
ReplyDeleteRobin, just take a look. Bin Laden is the taller one wearing the tunic. If Bin Laden used "Just For Men" to cover the gray and took off that turban, you could fall asleep in church while sitting next to him.
Robin Shelley: Your saviors a fake. A phony. Oh, and he was a black man too.
ReplyDeleteAnnon 4:33 what a horrible thing to say. Is it that you think dark skinned Jews are phonies or that they are fake because they are black or is that a black savior is phony ? So much wrong with your horrible assumptions that you must truely be a modern liberal that would describe yourself as a progressive.
ReplyDeleteAnd you smear liberals with your asinine assumptions 5:03.
ReplyDeleteWhy can't you just allow a grateful Thank You. A Happy Thanksgiving. And soon to be a Merry Christmas. And thanks to those who are overseas, away from their family in impossible conditions making sure that we all get to have our happy celebrations, decorate our trees, eat with friends and family. A THANK YOU to their families here, who celebrate without them, waiting for them to come home.
ReplyDeleteWithout all this BS.
You can smear liberals asiten,they do it for themselves. Yourself. LOL
ReplyDeleteAnonymous: how do you know Osama Bin Laden looks like Jesus &, now, who is my "savior" you refer to?
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ReplyDeleteWe're done with that. Say Thank You and leave it at that.
ReplyDeleteThank you. May I have another?
ReplyDeleteCouldn't help myself. This Anon isn't my dear new friend "Al", who at least "ocassionally" showed a bit of humor.
Get a life. Not the Eternal kind, I'm not going to insult your personal desire to simply be worm dirt.
That's your right, and as seemingly unhappy as you are with this life you're in, I hope that you don't have to experience a second, longer one.
Fitting though, that you would bring Dionysus (Bacchus in the Roman), to the table. Have a stiff drink. You'll feel better.
Best wishes for your dreams,
Wollf
You are gutless, Rose.
ReplyDeleteI might turn that around?
ReplyDeleteHe aRose, gutless.
Wollf
Thank you.
ReplyDeleteI like your new photo, Wollf.
Wollf you are very creative for someone so dim.
ReplyDeleteHe writes circles, loops, zigzags and starbursts around you 10:17.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure he finger paints better too.
ReplyDeleteNo doubt. The claws add an interesting dimension, standing in stark contrast to the pads.... people stand in awe.
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