Tuesday, November 18, 2008

Some stains never fade

An excellent piece by James Faulk in today's ☛ TS Some stains never fade
It was easily the most uncomfortable elevator ride of my life.

It was just after Assistant District Attorney Tim Stoen had announced his intention to leave the Humboldt County District Attorney's Office for his old stomping ground of Mendocino. He was leaving the position, and the building, possibly for good -- he had a box of desk trinkets under his arm and a relieved look on his face.

He had received some rough treatment in the local press, for making waves with high-profile cases that over time didn't seem to hold water.

But more than that, Stoen was incensed that every time I mentioned him in a news story, I felt it relevant to mention that he was a former high-ranking lieutenant for Jim Jones, the reverend and cult leader now on heavy rotation on MSNBC. Why? We are nearing the 30th anniversary of the Jonestown Massacre, where, on Nov. 18, 1978, roughly 900 people died in a mass suicide.

One of the primary reasons for Jones' power and success was the undying loyalty, and sometimes brilliant complicity, of his henchmen. Near the top of the list of loyal Jones compatriots was Stoen, who had often successfully put his legal mind to work for the Peoples Temple....
Read the rest.


The thing about Stoen, in my observation, is that he hasn't changed. He proved that with his actions in Humboldt County, where he appeared to have found his new Jim Jones, and a new cause.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

Rose et al - how you are easly lead ...

Okay since main streem 'leaked some of this' I can talk about it, I asume.

Whole f*n mess was a put up job by Uncle Suggers black ops boys! I asume you still belive in the Easter Bunny and that CAMP was started to Erad. MMJ. (I think i've posted on how that was a cover job for Iran Contra coke dealer pardons!) --

Okay kiddy's gather round here's the 411 (as you kids call it) on Jones Town - Stolen Jones et al ...


CIA involvement in the case of jim jones "peoples" temple, although nary a word of these dark underpinnings has slipped into mainstream accounts of the group. Evangelist Jim Jones started out as a member of Bertrand Russell's fellowship of reconciliation, which sponsered him at Butler college in Indianapolis. The fellowship is reported to have financed his first trip to Brazil, in 1961. Jones at the time told the Brazilians that he was in the employ of Naval Intelligence,and both his food and lodging during his stay were provided by the U.S. Embassy ...

Apparently Jones was doing more than missionary work. According to one account, Jones had been part of a CIA effort attemting a government overthrow in south america, and distributed leaflets and stirred up revolutionary sentiments during his day.

Jones moved his growing fellowship to Ukiah, ca, where reports from the disaffected from his group and that behavior modification experiments were performed on the congregation.

In Ukiah, Jones became chairman of the county Grand Jury, and worked with many wealthy collaborators, including persons connected to Military and Intelligence agencies. The joned group also infiltrated and took over the mendocino state hospital as a part of a government pilot progect to evaluate the feasibility of deinstitutionalizing mental patients. After a reduction in state funding for psychiatric institutions, most of the patients at mendocino were released into the custody of the "peoples" temple.

The Jonestown deaths were the ultimate in "assisted" suicides. According to the officiating pathologist in Guyana 80-90% of the victims had fresh needle marks on their bodies. Other victims had been shot or strangled. Orders were sent to the U.sS Military officials by an aide to national security advisor "Zibigniew Brzezinski to remove "all political sensitive papers and forms of indentification from the bodies.

Jim jones may have survived the destruction of the peoples temple compound. The body identified as being jim jones was so decomposed as to be unidentifiable, although it is reported that the corpse did not have jone' distinctive chest tattoos.

Kind of brings a whole new meaning to "Koolaid anyone?"

DT

Rose said...

You're usually pretty right on with your observations, DT, but on this one i disagree - - See the thing is, if Jones at the time told the Brazilians that he was in the employ of Naval Intelligence,and both his food and lodging during his stay were provided by the U.S. Embassy you have to realize that NOTHING this man said can be taken as truth. EVERYTHING was a scam. He used the threat of the CIA et al to keep his followers in line.

It's easy to see how that whole line of thought gets going, but the sad fact is, this was an example of man's inhumanity to man, power gone bad, people willing to sell their souls for a pie in the sky promise.

No doubt the CIA monitored the group, as best they could, but the pattern with Jones megalomania follows the same patterns as other cult leaders, nothing to do with government.

Except that Jones used the government to his advantage, with the "Temple's attorney" they set up a money train by taking in foster kids, wards of the state, taking the money, handing the kids over to the many families in the Temple, and allowing them a pittance for survival.

Jones, and his attorney, got people to sign over their properties, their pensions, their Social Security, everything they owned. They had people sign notarized 'confessions' to all manner of things, which were used as leverage to keep them in line, even including blank notarized forms.

This was a horrific phenomenon, which James correctly points out, could NOT HAVE HAPPENED without an Assistant like Stoen. The lawyer. Who made sure all the i's were dotted and t's were crossed. Who used his office to aid Jones.

Anonymous said...

The line you might want to look at deeper Rose is this one:

"In Ukiah, Jones became chairman of the county Grand Jury, and worked with many wealthy collaborators, including persons connected to Military and Intelligence agencies. The joned group also infiltrated and took over the mendocino state hospital as a part of a government pilot progect to evaluate the feasibility of deinstitutionalizing mental patients. After a reduction in state funding for psychiatric institutions, most of the patients at mendocino were released into the custody of the "peoples" temple."

This has been a well known and documented 'state dept' er ah spook trick for years.

Dr. Ewen Cameron and the CIA used this 'doge' with mental hospitals in Canada. In fact the catholic church helped by finding orphans who had no relitives nor visits were given over to psych wards for CIA mind control experments.

If your not aware of this, it sounds pertty 'tin foil hat' type stuff. Unfortuanly its not, and totally documented in a peer reveiwed, "Psychiatry and the CIA: Victims of Mind Control" Published by the APA (Amer. Psychiatirc Ass. / AMA books)

The largest (at the time: 1995) law suit ever paid out was by the Cathloc Church and the CIA to these people. The suit lasted 3 days and caught very little media attention, as I say it was setteled out of court in 2 or 3 days.

The use of mentally handicapped people is SOP for these things or 'deaming' the mentaly unfit, to enter into programs like this. (Cameron'S CIA hospital, Jones peoples temple et al)

Here's another 'fun fact' about Uncle Suggers spook works,

CIA & International Trafficking in Children:

Witkin, G. "Through a glass very darkly." U.S.News & World Report. Jan. 3, 1994 pp 30. (subtitled:) Cops, spies, CIA, and a very odd investgation

image of one page artical found here:
http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/edocs/ttgvd.htm

Basicly a woman in Flordia sees a group of 'druged' (stumbling) kids being led to a bath room by men in suits. The men take them back to the van and drive off, women reports it to the local LEO's she got the lic, #.

LEO's follow the van, as it moves north threw several states, verious other state and local LEO's 'tail it' -

The van ends up at the "Finders" org. a CIA / Air Amercain front org. - When mulit-agents bust in to get the kids, they find FILE CABNITS FULL of documents of FAX's and wire transfurs of money related to international trafficking ... the spooks walked in and it all went away. The file cabnits were taken from the LEO's and they were told 'this is an interal CIA matter."

Nothing but this peicee (linked above) was ever mentioned about it. Have you heard, or has anyone, what happened to the FILE CABNITS FULL of kids they found? Nope nither has anyone else.

Here is the "Report of Investigation page 1 of 2"
http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/edocs/ttgdr.htm
". . . During the course of the search warrants, numerous documents were discovered which appeared to be concerned with international trafficking in children, high tech transfer to the United Kingdom, and international transfer of currency."
========================
BTW - here's some stats on missing kids:

In 1993 1.4 million kids under the age of 18 were missing (23). Back in 1982 that number was just under a million, but that number is deceptive because unlike car thefts and all other crimes police departments at the time kept no record of missing children(24). Back to today: App. 450,000 were thought to be runaways, (note: any child over 13 is grouped in this class in less foul play evident), another 127,000 were 'thrown away' (whatever that may mean, if the parents 'threw them away' why did they report them missing?), 354,100 were found to be parental abductions, this leaves us with 438,000 reported under 'Lost or Missing' (Note to be in this category a child has to be under 11 years of age), and 4,600 were listed as none family abductions. The agency that was tracking this stated that there were only 300 known child murders that year.


450,000 runaways
127,000 throwaways?
354,000 family abduction / disgruntled parent
_______
931,000 total kids accounted for.

438,000 Lost or Missing
4,600 stranger abductions
__________
442,600 total kids under 11 un-accounted for

Some time I feel like doing a version of that old obnoxious SEGA TV ad, the one that screams, "DO THE MATH!" There are 442,600 children unaccounted for and the FBI keep pointing at the 300 bodies telling us 'this is all there is."

Some one knows were file cabnits of missing kids are. Ever wonder what Jones town was a cover story a distraction a miss direcation for?

CAMP was distraton for the pardoning and returning of moneies to Cocain dealers = citations availble upon request.



Fun stuff - "Oh Jim just used the CIA story as intimadation - all he said was lies"

Yuppers - they count on you beliving that!

DT

"DOS isn't just an oppeating system!"