I don't know, but I'm guessing Arnie made 17 references to the Ferrer case and 14 to Dollison's BAR record. I'll also bet Maggie planted her stock plea disposition question.
That was the general overview, but there also was flemming who called out firpo on the fact that she truly only has five years experience and not nine. Firpo said she never ment ifor it to sound like she said she had nine years experience. She was counting her time in law school as applicable.
Predictable. Looking forward to the run-off. Something other than listening to Arnie spout off for an hour about Ferrer would be good. He would have been a much better candidate if he had some consistent positive message. I think I've heard the "term 4 1/2 years experience" at least 80 times in the last two weeks.
Nope it's five years even firpo concurred.
I'd be surprised if Arnie gets 15%. 5 days til we know. I think the only question remaining now is how far Firpo will be behind Fleming going into the runoff. Wagers?
So is Firpo actually the front runner and everyone has it wrong?? Maggie and Arnie are both gunning for her pretty hard. I don't know the answer but Firpo seems to be the one they are all afraid of. Why?
They are afraid of her because she's he anointed one.
The only annointed one and the only one who feels entitled to be DA is Maggie.Arnie does not even deserve the 5% he might get. There is not much to add to what has been said about Arnie. With all the money Maggie has and the machine, Maggie should make the runoff but June 3rd could bring surprises.
22:45 Classic Klein. Never answered the question with a single idea of his own. Used the whole answer to hit Elan. 5 more days. Then he can be Maggie's attack pet from his lawn chair.
26:08 Fleming uses her whole answer to hit Elan. Meanwhile Dollison answers every question with a positive actual answer to the question.Dollison and Firpo look better every day.
LOL 43:50 Arnie. "If you send a lawyer into a courtroom, it's like sending someone into a gunfight with a knife"Because we should be sending in a pastry chef
You are a moron. Making fun of a tragedy.
If you weren't able to attend but would like to see the video or hear the highlights, it is now posted at www.riodelltimes.com.
Anon @10:49, I actually just watched the entire debate on the Rio dell times Site and just to clarify some things, Mr Klein did not keep referring to the Ferrer case or Mr dollison state bar disciplinary actions the number of times you mentioned. What he said is the truth and that is refreshing to hear. Folks need to know the truth and weight that against what they believe a DA should be equipped with to do an effective job.
Anon @ 11:37, you are lying about Mr Klein. Watch the video feed again. In fact, firpo attacked fleming as did dollison. I am glad that both fleming and Klein called firpo out on her lack of experience. Every time firpo tells us her experience the numbers keep changing and increasing, which we all know it a lie. Just go to the state bar website. Also if she is using her time as an intern which is not an attorney, then let guess the other three candidates should increase the years of their experience as well.
Anon at. 8:09 and. 8:15 equals Arnie. Nice try though. Does Maggie tell you when it's time to go to bed too?
Anon @ 2:23, what you posted are untrue statements about how Mr Klein answered the questions. He did answer all of them. Watch the video dude. BTW, if you want to be technical, there were many questions that firpo kept answering the same. Bottomline, you can say you are going to do this and that with the office, but the county does not have the funds. They are faced with a 3 million dollars deficit going into next fiscal year and they are trying to decide what to cut in order to balance next year's budget. So, firpos grandiose ideas of increasing the number of prosecutors is just unrealistic. Klein is the only one that is addressing this challenge with what the budget currently is. Think about that on election day.
Geezo! I wish people would stop making it sound like Élan has more than 4 1/2 years of experience. Arnie will runs out of fingers on his counting hand and Maggie have to do more long division. "I have been an attorney 3.7642 times longer than Ms Firpo has been out of diapers" i'm so going to miss the Arnie and Maggie show after the primary.
At the debate firpo keeps telling the community that she is going to put in place vertical prosecutors for all the important crimes like DV, drugs and child abuse. What she did not tell you is that these all are grant funded positions that need to be obtained. That takes years to get the funding because the grant application is long and is not always available each year. She also states that shebis working on one now. I can't wait to see the product on the agenda item which has to be approved by the board of Supervisors and county counsel before it can be submitted.
The desperation of the Klein campaign is obvious but in 5 days we will no longer have to listen to their drivel.Some of the anti-Firpo comments are the Maggie supporters too. They must be really threatened by Firpo to devote so much time to her.Watch the video, come to your own independent decision. Assuming you do not havea bias.
Thank you Sharon! I've updated the post with the link to the video, to go with the audio. Much appreciated!
Anon @ 8:29 why don't you say something of substance rather than sling mud at fleming and Klein. Something that is true and can be fact checked instead of just bashing. Nonsense.
This race is about EXPERIENCE DANG IT!Arnie Klein has:2.4 Times Maggie's Experience5.6 Times Elan's Experience4.7 Time Allan's ExperienceThat is precisely why he is heading for 55 percent of the vote on Tuesday. Because EXPERIENCE MATTERS! After he and Maggie make it through the primary, Maggie should just drop out. You just can't beat experience. I heard her say so.
If Klein garners 55%, then Maggie will be forced to drop out. By the rules of the election, a candidate with over 50% + 1 vote automatically wins. It is breathtaking that the Klein campaign did not even know that. They seem to know some alternative universe where Klein gets 55% (hint: It is a universe not based on reality)... Watch out there is a sign post up ahead, it's called the Twilight Zone...
As I read the posts, I see more anti fleming and klein, yet one of the Anon claims the oppose so that must be a firpo troll. Why not stay with the facts and keep it clean and factual and what is going to be realistic in accomplishing with what the board of Supervisors will allocate to the DA department.
Arnie heading for 14 Percent5 Percent Top of the ballot2 Percent First dude people see2 Percent Old guy sympathy vote2 Percent Marijuana pandering vote1 Percent Jewish Name1 Percent Sympathy vote.5 Percent Anderson-Jordet Rally Vote.5 Percent Friends, Family, Office Moles0 Percent for original ideas
Anon 9:11 to Anon 9:01I've been found out. You are good!
Dang it, I'm Anon 9:14 unless it changed again
9:01 those are facts. Deal with it. Unless you have been under a rock.
Ugh, it did. This thing needs a clock so I know which Anon I am
Anon @ 9:10, so lame. Must be firpo camp. How immature.
8:49, makes sense now let's how the community puts weight on experience than making it at a popular contest because we all know that the best candidate is not the most popular.
8:49. You forgot your decimal point. Arnie will get 5.5% on Tuesday.
Anon @ 9:30 concedes maturity to Anon @ 9.19. All good now?
Yes! I got the time right!
Judge Wilson ruled today that there is enough compelling evidence to hold Juan Ferrer over for murder charges where he faces up to 26 years in prison. He will be arraigned on June 10th along with the two other defendants who are charged with felony assault. The plea offer of 2 years in the county jail would appear to be a little weak on its face.
Were you in court today? I was along with several other people. Compelling was not a word used. Evidentiary issues was used. The judge ruled that that Juan Ferrer, Sophie Rocheleau and Nicholas Stoiber were held to answer on the charges in a preliminary hearing.The case could go to jury trial and the result could go either way. Arnie Klein just cannot give up making his entire campaign about the Ferrer case.Maggie Fleming and her supporters join Arnie Klein and his supporters in exploiting a tragedy to get elected.That is what 20 and 40/42 years of their legal experience has to offer.
9:57 went to the Klein school of mathematics
Anon at 11:01. 11:15 is here from minutes in the future and respectfully asks that you stop making fun of Anons at 9:57, 9:19 and 9:17. This is a serious matter even if anon at 9:30 doesn't think so.
Dollison and Firpo definitely have the the most trolls.
"Firpo has 4 1/2 trolls!" Arnie Klien
I listened to the audio. I am sure who I am not voting for. Klein is out as an idiot. Sadly Fleming is also out as she simply can't be honest about her past and experience. I am still troubled by the salzman/wooley/evenson influence with firpo and have concerns about dollison ' s ability to actually clean house but for me it's down to those two.
So if you don't think Klein is not going to even have a chance . Then why spend these last few days dwelling on what he says or does? Don't you have your oun campaigns to be concerned with. If he's not a threat then stop acting like he is.....or maybe it's because he is the only one who doesn't give the crap same old story answeres and is not bought by anyone. Good way to spend your last few days campaigning....sitting behind your computer trolling candidates....go out into the community and talk to people. The election will not be won on blogs.
You should take your own advice.
Anonymours 9:25 AM - Fleming's experience is head and shoulders about the other 3 candidates.How can you make a statement (even as an anon troll type)? Fleming is the only one that is 100% up front and completely honest.If you are going to use your vote, as I hope you will, take some time to check each of the four candidates websites and make an informed decision.
10:00. That was a close one- phew! Thank you!Here's what I found:Fleming redacted 1500 pages of a public records request in the transparency lawsuit and cost the county a bundle.Fleming destroyed CAST, and it has never recoveredFleming hasn't worked a full time job for 15 yearsFleming's 460's look like an overlay of Terry Farmer and Bonnie Neely'sFleming is endorsed by Mike Losey, John Burke, Jack Bernstein and all of the other DA Investigators who want to keep their outrageous salaries and toys.Fleming has no problems with breaking laws to suit her purpose like hiding contributions, or erecting structures on courthouse property, or placing signs early in Fortuna or placing two to a property.Thank you for the redirection!
That is 4 1/2 times as much baggage as Firpo with half the experience of Klein and 2/3rds the ethical issues if Dollison. Wait, why would I vote for her again ??
ok 10:00 am. This is what I found on this site about Fleming and her performance. She said on this audio she was brought in in 2006 to fix the problem which it looks occurred on her watch in 2006:In 2001There were 196 CAST InterviewsThere were 65 cases received by the DAs officeThere were 46 cases FILED by the DAs officeIn 2002There were 215 CAST InterviewsThere were 66 cases received by the DAs officeThere were 47 cases FILED by the DAs officeIn January of 2003, Paul Gallegos took officeIn 2003There were 205 CAST InterviewsThere were 67 cases received by the DAs officeThere were 40 cases FILED by the DAs officeIn June of 2004 Paul Gallegos fired his top child abuse prosecutor.In 2004There were 146 CAST InterviewsThere were 50 cases received by the DAs officeThere were 23 cases FILED by the DAs officeIn 2005There were 155 CAST InterviewsThere were 35 cases received by the DAs officeThere were 17 cases FILED by the DAs officeIn the first four months of 2006There were 40 CAST Interviews (on track for 120 interviews)There were 4 cases received by the DAs office (on track for 12 cases received)There was 1 case FILED by the DAs office.ONE.ONE child abuse case filed. January to April of that year.And now - a report of "a 40 decrease in investigations that led to cases between 2006 and 2009."A 40% decrease.40% From what? the 2006 numbers?
By about 2003 and a half law enforcement was irrevocably giving up on CAST after Paul screwed it up so badly. In 2006, way after it was too late, Paul threw Fleming into CAST in a desperate admission that he could not fix the disaster he set in motion by a series of phenomenally stupid and irreversible moves. By 2006 he had set a pattern of ignoring victims, cosying up to defendants. He compounded this by; losing his best interviewer Wadsworth, firing Jackson, losing the computer guy Andrews, moving Isaac out of CAST, giving CAST cases to Schwartz, and generally being the incompetent narcissist he is from day one.
You sound like you are in the know here.
All these baseless posts against Fleming but be from Richard! Who else is such a low life?You are so despartate.
Using the Richard for all these posts is what is desperate.Face the fact that many people are not for Fleming.
Thanks again flemming campaign. Anytime I speak about my real concerns ( and am not involved in any campaign) you are always the first to attack. You also always direct me to some freaking web siight. The web sights are their shining achievements put out there for the only purpose of making them look the best they can. But, back here you guys are always the cruelest. Telling me I am a troll, attacking everyone, that's a bunch of crap and because of it I will not vote for her. If this is what she deems as appropriate then I don't want a back door shady jerk. At least the other three pick on people openly and in public. Just like entitled whit money, if you don't agree with it then you must be up to no good, but in reality it is always they who seem to be up to no good. It's not just you trolls here there are actually voters that read this blog.
Two things: People who comments are not trolls. Even if they disagree with you, even if they're rude, even if they're wrong.People who disagree are not trolls. Trolls do exist - but they are a very specific type. Let's stop calling everyone who is engaged enough to weigh in a 'troll.'Neither are people who comment 'bloggers.' Chiv is a blogger, Eric Kirk is a blogger. I am, too. You're not 'blogging' if you comment, hate to break it to ya - but you ARE perhaps one of the most important pieces of any blog. Commenters bring new perspectives, experience, knowledge and information. It's what makes blogging worthwhile. It's why it matters.We don't have to agree - and we don't become informed if we don't listen to one another.
I am. I'm not deleting you. :)
@ 4:10 "In 2006, way after it was too late, Paul threw Fleming into CAST" Now actual quote from the Fleming Campaign website: "In 2005 District Attorney Paul Gallegos appointed me as Director of the Child Abuse Services Team (CAST." So how exactly do you start off a campaign touting this one single assignment as your leadership experience. Then when people start bringing up facts, like the following:In the first four months of 2006There were 40 CAST Interviews (on track for 120 interviews)There were 4 cases received by the DAs office (on track for 12 cases received)There was 1 case FILED by the DAs office.ONE.ONE child abuse case filed. January to April of that year."The new tack is to change who was in charge. Say the operation was a total disaster, blame Paul, and not accept responsibility, then try and change the dates to make it look like Fleming ran the program for almost no time. Claim Schwartz was handling it. I believe it was the late great Sen. Moynihan who said, you are entitled to your opinions. You are not entitled to your facts. Before you start claiming different dates that contradict public records and your candidate's own website then you better get together and get your stories straight. The public ain't buying this flip-flopping.
Schwartz, another of PVG's buddies, was a disaster as a DDA.And after about three years was asked to "resign".You may remember him as Yougofree.com
The Salzman method is to throw lies and mud faster than the opponent can clean it off. He encourages supporters to repeat the lies until the lies supplant the facts. He then points out how suspicious the opponent looks because they're addressing the invented "problems."Fleming has an unblemished reputation. If anyone tells you otherwise, consider the source.
Was the CAST program successful under Fleming? If she says it was and there is empirical evidence that it was not then that is a blemish on her reputation. If it was a failure and she says it was a success then that is a blemish on her reputation. So which is it. This was easy. Her County Counsel performance was so terrible that she has cost the county hundreds of thousands of dollars. It is so bad that the husband of the County Counsel withdrew his endorsement and demanded his contribution back, because he did not want to support the corrupt and incompetent Fleming campaign.
Salzman is too busy prepping up Kerrigan and LaTour.Since you do desperately want to associate him with Firpo which has been a Maggie tactic since the beginning, let's talk about mud.Salzman is a boy scout compared to Losey, Neely, Meilke, Atkins, the Services.All support Maggie. As for yougofree, he is a close personal friend of Arnie's. Of course, seeing Arnie has no chance, his friends are already claiming to support either Maggie or Elan.Maggie has shown herself to be an excellent politician. Outspend all elected officials, act holier than thou, while her attack dogs sling mud.In a small town, people see a sudden change of heart on issues for what it is, politics.
The Services are not supporting Élan Firpo or Maggie. The blogosphere is a bubble. There actually is an election going on, where almost all of Humboldt who are not on the blogosphere actually gets to vote.
That's easy to say, but you might want to name the falsehood. Seems like Salzman has done his research. Tell me where the inaccuracy is.
The mud keeps flying. Consider the source.
Joel? Mike? Max? Do tell us the source.
Fleming is the obvious choice
Yes, the obvious choice as who note to vote for. Thanks for that input.
Actually, I think the Services are supporting Dollison?
I saw Dollison's Ad and Bob Service is in it.
Okay, this nonsense about John Wright withdrawing his support for Fleming has got to stop.It is just more lies from the Firpo campaign.
Several people have withdrawn support for Fleming now. The truth hurts
This is insane. I am not 3:08 (I don't know who is to blame and won't speculate), but I was also shocked by 5/31's Anon 3:34 who said "... the husband of the County Counsel withdrew his endorsement and demanded his contribution back, because he did not want to support the corrupt and incompetent Fleming campaign."This statement is FALSE.The contribution was returned because it came in the form of a money order, not a "negotiated instrument" as required by the FPPC. The only thing the campaign can do once received is to send it back. The donor is going to send a check instead. The endorsement is still there.
3:08 you are a moron. Why assume the Firpo campaign. Ever thought that it could be the Dollison campaign?Or the Klein campaign?Have you seen the ads Dollison has put out against Maggie. Typical Maggie supporter, just lie and blame Firpo and her campaign.
10:11 you are the one who does not have a clue, either on the blogs or in real life. Both Maggie and Allan partially list their endorsers.Milt Boyd and the Services were at Maggie's announcement. They were not at Allan's. If they did switch to Allan, which you have no proof of, then all it shows is people are waking up to Maggie's true colors.
To anon 6:30, I agree. 3:08 should not blame Firpo campaign. And I try not to blame candidates for the nasty stuff their supporters say as well (unless they start saying it themselves). Maggie has always asked her supporters to refrain from blog comments in general, and to avoid accusing or disparaging remarks about others. However, she recognizes she's not their boss, and she has acknowledged that anyone has a right to question something about a candidate that they don't understand and want to know about. And she trusts people to compose their own letters to the editors and testimonials, and does not offer any "talking points," nor does she have "attack dogs" speaking for her as some have claimed. When she has something to say, she says it directly herself, politely and if possible face-to-face. She does know that we struggle, as do all the respective candidates and their supporters, with the lies and the malice we see thrown at her. I finally went to see her recently and told her I'd like to refute some of the misstatements I see and offer some facts, and I think she respects that as long as it's limited to correcting misinformation.I'm still too chicken to post with my name, but if everyone's names magically appeared somehow, I'd be OK with that.
Don't be a chicken. You make your points well, clear and respectful.It should not require courage to use your God-given right to free speech, especially in support of a candidate in a free and honest election. These are rarities in the world.They don't exist in a vacuum, and they won't exist much longer if people are afraid to speak up in as benign a situation as this. Are you also hiding against the wall at Maggie's events.
To 5/30/14 12:14 (partial response), 5/30 3:42, 5/30 10:54 and 5/31 3:34 (partial response):Maggie was appointed Director of CAST in late 2005 after declining cases and other problems were looked at by the grand jury. Especially in light of the difficulties she faced, her work was highly regarded.5/30 3:42 has cut and pasted a selective portion of the 2006 watchpaul page regarding CAST (link below). If you read the rest, I think you will come to a different conclusion than 5/30 10:54’s or 5/31 3:34’s.And I am not 5/30 4:10 – don’t know who it is, but I don’t think anyone is trying to change the dates. There are 2 dates involved. Fleming was made director in late 2005, but then it looks like she was also made the CAST prosecutor as well in early 2006. With apologies to Rose for cluttering up her blog, I am cutting and pasting a few things here for those who might not otherwise click around to get some more information.Also, to view another long-winded (facts can be cumbersome I guess) discussion of CAST, see this link:http://watchpaul.blogspot.com/2014/05/bully-bully.htmlSo, here are a few more quotes from the following link, but it’s worth reading the whole thing and the 04-05 Grand Jury report and responses for background.http://watchpaul.blogspot.com/p/child-abuse-prosecutions_09.html1. “Deputy District Attorney Maggie Flemming — who is the main person at the DA’s Office who prosecutes persons accused of child abuse — said the numbers The Eureka Reporter obtained did not reflect the work she has done so far this year.However, because of The Eureka Reporter’s deadline and her schedule, she was unable to provide current information by press deadline.[Allison] Jackson and Wes Keat of the District Attorney’s Office praised Flemming for her hard work and commitment. Jackson said her criticism of Gallegos should in no way reflect on Flemming.“I believe that you will find that Maggie’s work, her skill and dedication, is universally acknowledged as being beyond reproach,” Keat said. “She has 20 years of successful experience as a prosecutor, including a substantial background in sexual assault, not to mention homicides. Maggie is simply the best.”“I can tell you there is no other attorney I admire more in the world than Maggie Flemming,” Jackson said.”2. “We have Maggie assigned to the unit and arguably Maggie is the best person to prosecute child molestation cases if, of course, Maggie is available,” Dikeman said. “And therein lies part of the problem, because if you have Maggie doing other things — like asset forfeiture and other assignments, ... she’s not going to be immediately available for a child abuse case. That is the important thing in my mind, to have the attorney available.”“It (vertical prosecution) minimizes the impact that the criminal justice system has on the child, because you have specially trained people who are dealing with the child.”3. Gallegos countered and said vertical prosecution remains a priority of his department.“Certainly, there is vertical prosecution,” he said. “... I see it as a responsibility, accountability, accessibility thing, and I know Maggie understands that. She is very responsible. She is very accountable. She is also very accessible.“... By assigning Maggie to cases, we increase the likelihood that cases will resolve appropriately and without the risk, costs and trauma on the child that are necessarily associated with trial.”4. “All we need to ask ourselves is how Paul Gallegos manages to staff CAST and maintain vertical prosecution when he has one attorney whose job is mostly child abuse but other things as well,” Wadsworth said. “Why did he put one person in a role that took at least two and a half? We can see the number of cases being investigated isn’t dropping, so we know the workload hasn’t reduced. Is this in the best interest of our community, our children and families, or for the team?”
The following is from page 31 of the 2005-6 Grand Jury report (dated 6/13/06), as a late response by Gallegos (after 8/29/05) to the 2004-5 Grand Jury findings. (The Grand Jury had noted that CAST cases had dropped significantly - between 2002 and 2004, well before Ms Fleming became director, and in fact while both Jackson and Rob Wade were still with the office):"GRAND JURY REPORT #2005-LJ-01A Review of the Humboldt County Child Abuse Services Team [dated 6/28/05]Recommendation 1a: The Grand Jury recommends that the CAST Boards create a leadership position .Response from the District Attorney [dated 8/29/05]: The recommendation has not yet been implemented, but will be implemented prior to January 1, 2006. As indicated above, the creation of a director position which would authorize a leadership person to coordinate and make decisions about CAST has been advocated and was initiated by the District Attorney's Office. The District Attorney's position is joined in by the CAST Executive Board, the Department of Health and Human Services and the Law Enforcement Chiefs Association. The delay in the creation of such a position has been caused by the lack of consensus within the CAST organization about the need for the position and/or the authority of the person who fills it.• Additional Response from the District Attorney [dated 6/13/06]:Our office assigned Deputy District Attorney, Maggie Fleming, to fulfill the responsibilities of a director position and to coordinate and make decisions about CAST. Deputy Fleming is an outstanding attorney who is both experienced in and dedicated to CAST.
Haha. GALLEGOS ' S response? Everyone was an outstanding attorney to him. Stone, Schwartz, all of them. Ti next his is as lame as his endorsement. What ever Fleming convex was 15 years ago she no longer is. I am still considering which candidate is the least offensive with the best management skills. Who has the most years or trials isn't the issue for me.
If people were allowed to use their names, comments would reduce drastically and I would be OK with that 7:23.You do not see many comments on the Times-Standard since people had to use their real names.This is Rose's blog. She chooses to give people the option to comment anonymously. It is a choice that some abuse, others do not.Maggie is not the only one who has had malice, lies or such behavior directed at her. I agree with Rose, you made very respectful points without attacking anyone.I wish there was more discourse in the civil manner that you reflected in your comment.
Some people just can"t be civil. And have no problem lying to ..... I guess promote their candidate.
Anonymous just as you have no problem lying and insinuating above.
Not all information related to particular stories makes it on the blog, 8:53.Maybe one day I will publish the rest of that story.It's not a pretty story.
Comments are open, but moderated, for the time-being. Good luck.