Friday, August 29, 2008

Just hafta say

McCain Palin - Brilliant.

Neo-neocon has an interesting series of posts up about this (Warning! It's not Daily Kos):
The campaign chess game
Palin: a less-wordy Obama for the Right?
Palin: playing the inexperience card is a loser for the Democrats
Dissing Palin’s small-town mayoral experience…
McCain/Palin and Biden: walking the walk
Palin: the “Northern Exposure” candidate
Sophia and Sarah: separated at birth?
Palin: a curveball to the Democrats on shattering the glass ceiling
Sarah Palin: sent from Central Casting?
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CNN Poll shows no convention bounce for Obama

76 comments:

Anonymous said...

She rocks. Tough lady. She'll be able to hold her own in any debate again Biden the liar. Her work history and experience alone leaves "Obamamessiah" in the dust. Can't wait to get the MCCAIN/PALIN sign in my front yard.

Rose said...

I hafta say she looks like the real deal. Amazing. Quite a contrast to the so-what choice of Biden the plagiarist. QUITE a difference.

Fred said...

I'm not voting for McCain, but she was my choice from early on. I'm amazed she was chosen and feel like it's one of the rare times I feel like a winner.

Anonymous said...

yeah, brilliant. She has what? less than 2 years of experience? But she would probably make a better president than McCain so we shouldn't worry about him dying in office.

Anonymous said...

She has years more experience than Obama and is running Alaska, purging corruption and the state is much better off.

If she isn't qualified to be VP then Obama sure as hell isn't qualified to be president.

Chris Crawford said...

It is a gutsy move, a brilliant choice and the timing was impeccable.

Anonymous said...

this popped up on the times-standard. I didn't write it,but agree with it so I thought I would share it with you.

To the person who actually wrote it and posted it on the TS, thank you, well said!

"Governor Sarah Palin is a tough executive who has demonstrated during her time in office that she is ready to be president. She has brought Republicans and Democrats together within her Administration and has seen approval ratings of over 80 percent.

She has challenged the influence of the big oil companies while fighting for the development of new energy resources.
She leads a state that matters to every one of us -- Alaska has significant energy resources and she has been a leader in the fight to make America energy independent.
She has actually used her veto and cut budgetary spending. And she put a stop to the bridge to nowhere that would have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.
In Alaska, she challenged a corrupt system and passed a landmark ethics reform bill.
As the head of Alaska's National Guard and as the mother of a soldier herself, Governor Palin understands what it takes to lead our nation and she understands the importance of supporting our troops.
Her experience in shaking up the status quo is exactly what is needed in Washington.
In choosing Governor Sarah Palin, John McCain put Washington on notice that he is serious about shaking up the status quo.
What we're seeing is a maverick who has shaken up Washington picking as his teammate a maverick governor who has shaken up her own state.
What it's going to take to change Washington is a team of Mavericks who have a record of accomplishment in shaking up the status quo."

Anonymous said...

An awesome choice....

Just when the DNC and yes even I thought McCain would go with with the traditional monied swing state primary candidates, he rocked the world.

Change? You tell me Palin or Biden?

and hell...I'm a democrat

Anonymous said...

oops-

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/08/mccains_vp_pick_palin_facing_e.html

Rose said...

Yep - knew that - it's been on the news all day.

Rose said...

Palin ordered the investigation into Monegan's firing and told CNBC last month that lawmakers were unfairly targeting her.

"It's cool. I want them to ask me the questions. I don't have anything to hide," she said during the interview. "Didn't do anything wrong there."

Robin Shelley said...

Do you suppose this news will give Hillary a heart attack?

RedwoodNWW said...

Just a cheap attempt to rally the female vote, bring in a young, fresh face and divert attention from the fact that McCain is no different, politically, than Bush.

Rose said...

Quite the contrary. This is someone who is very much like McCain.

I know the talking points have been disseminated - link Bush to McCain, but anyone who was paying attention knows that McCain has been a thorn in the side of Bush and alot of other Republicans. Which is why they treat him like the Democrats treat Lieberman.

Lies, lies, lies, that's what the democratic talking points are - and THAT is what's really the SAME.

Obama's not different, he's more of the same, that's what his choice of Biden, the plagiarist tells you.

Obama hasn't risen above anything. The great visionary promise has been shown to be empty.

Very much like Gallegos here locally.

RedwoodNWW said...

Never said I supported Obama. It's not that black and white. I say McCain is Bush because he is. He talks many of the same political points as Bush. I don't follow the talking heads enough to get indoctrinated by either point.

To be fair, I'll criticize Obama. He's the token black for the Democrats. Notice the MLK-like speeches he gives. He's trying to live an idea of godliness. He has the silver tongue of a soothsayer.

Neither are good choices, but they're the faces everyone sees and will ultimately vote for.

Rose said...

You may not listen to the talking heads but you have the language down to a T.

If Obama stayed in the Senate and actually DID something - actually showed me that he might do one iota of the wonderful things that his starry eyed supporters imagine he will do - I might support him in four years. But not now. Right now, he reminds me of Gallegos. Sounds good, but empty phrases, bereft of any substance, nothing behind them. A lovely facade, mirrored, and reflecting back the high ideals and wishes of every person who gazes upon it, nothing inside.

But I am not so much against Obama, as I am FOR McCain. I voted for him when he ran before. I still like him. I like that he crosses outside the party. It's rare.

I would be voting for McCain regardless of who he picked as a running mate - I was intrigued with the idea of Lieberman - but I think this Sarah Palin is a phenomenal choice.

Stephen said...

She'll doom McCain on two fronts: lack of national experience making voters jittery over McCain's age should he fall ill and die in office, and her fairly terrible environmental record in Alaska which will guarantee to offend young voters.

Local Dem said...

I agree (gulp, gag) with Stephen. Why don't you Republicans listen up for a change? Obama will save us ALL, even you. Take cheap shots if you like, but your guy Dubya has turned our beloved country into a toilet, and the people floating to the top are the inherited rich, not nobodies like you and me. Wake up and vote Democratic. Then get involved and see if you can bring the Republican party back to the red, white and blue instead promoting selfishness and greed.

Anonymous said...

Wake up and vote democratic? HaHa.
Wake up the next day and kiss your freedom and money goodbye.

Fred said...

Steve writes, "and her fairly terrible environmental record in Alaska which will guarantee to offend young voters.".

Like what? Because she doesn't believe all the global warming hype?

Anonymous said...

i was in the marines and i have many friends in the marines. we think mccain is a joke. the answer to every question is not "well, i was a POW." he's a complete idiot. nearly the last in his class.

i'll fight for my country, period. i fought for bush, who i hate.

can we please stop fighting stupid wars?

Rose said...

So you would take a guy who got himself elected to one seat then immediately started running for another seat, whose preacher hates you and all of your kind, and whose buddy once plotted to bomb the capitol and the pentagon, and still doesn't regret it.

Maybe you supported Tim Stoen here as well, figuring his plot to poison the water supply of Washington DC was just fine with you.

Fighting for your country means more than just being deployed.

It means caring about little things like that.

brian said...

What in F&*K do you know about "just being deployed" Rose ?

Rose said...

Just this - if you defend your country, it means more than just defending it overseas. It means, when someone - even a neighbor - decides he is going to bomb a building, or poison the water supply, he has to be defended against, too. Not all threats are overseas.

Saying someone like Ayres is ok negates the point of defending the country.

It's no insult to your service.

Anonymous said...

Do not imply that I don't care. I've served. Have you? Don't tell me what I should care about and what I shouldn't care about. I served under Dub's father, who is a patriot. The current president is an idiot. McCain is a patriot, but he's also stupid.

Obama might not be experienced, but a change in a different direction can't be worse than what we've had for the last 8 years.

Anonymous said...

i would also add that i love my country only a little less than i love my new daughter. please don't imply anything else.

i respect mccain very much. that's not the issue. i honestly don't think he's the person we need at the moment.

mccain frustrates me, when he "speaks" for all former service members.

Anonymous said...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/2-top-alaska-newspapers-q_b_122625.html

Rose said...

From your Huffington Post link (got anything from Daily Kos? How 'bout Democracy Now?) GREG MITCHELL - 2 Top Alaska Newspapers Question Palin's Fitness...
Greg Mitchell's new book is So Wrong for So Long: How the Press, the Pundits -- and the President -- Failed on Iraq. He is editor of Editor & Publisher.

Biased I am sure he is not.

Rose said...

Yep - more of the same, SAME, SAME, SAME old Democratic politics.

exrepublican said...

i have to agree with stephen on this one....women i talk to are more turned off by mcCane than ever. what an insult to put a former SPORTSCASTER and city council member a step away from the White House!!!!

and they try to compare Obama with her?
Obama: Lawyer, professor, state senator, US senator
Palin: Sportscaster, city council member, mayor, 18 months as governor


the fact that Rose has to mention Ayers only hours after this pick shows the desperation....

is mcCane going to blame his years as a POW as his excuse for making such a calculated decision that was obviously a cheap gimmick to reach women voters? it wont work. women in my life have all expressed concern that a mother of a 4 month old baby trying to become the president of the US is abandoning her baby for her own wants....

Rose said...

Fair enough, ex.

From what I can see, she has accomplished more than Obama, and she's a damn sight more interesting that Biden.

Looks to me like McCain is doing what he has always done, which is shake 'em up - and that seems to be what she is about, too.

I don't think you can classify her as McSame.

IN fact - who's more for CHANGE.

And Ayers is a problem. Just like Stoen was here. Some things must never be forgotten.

exrepublican said...

"she's a damn sight more interesting that Biden."

a beauty contest will go her way. agreed. the hits for "Palin MILF" or "Palin VPILF" is skyrocketing!!!

"Looks to me like McCain is doing what he has always done, which is shake 'em up"

ummmm...he has been gaining ground for a solid month in the polls. if you think that he needed to shake things up instead of following the trends, thats your opinion. i think he should have played it safe. romney would have been the smartest choice in my opinion. i would have been far less critical of that choice.

"IN fact - who's more for CHANGE."

rose, do you HONESTLY think that mcCane can steal Obama's phrase of change? if people really want change, they will go for Obama. in politics, its better to state your differences than your likenesses. john should be saying that america doesnt need that much change, because it is so great already. he should be arguing AGAINST change, not agreeing with Obama. deperation move....

Anonymous said...

Exrepublican just gets dumber by the day. This guy is a whack job.
Not even smart enough to still be a republican. Ya obama = america down the tubes.

exrepublican said...

3:17,
actually, im still registered a republican. they just wont get any votes from me this year. mcCane's VEEP pick just made it that much easier for me.....

exrepublican said...

3:17,
i would have preferred to see Mitt Romney as the VEEP choice. if that makes me "stupid", so be it.

are you capable of making a political analysis?

Rose said...

It's not stupid. We're all gonna make our choices. It's the way the system works. Everyone has their own reasons - and that is a good thing.

Romney would have been a pretty safe choice. I still would have voted for McCain. I voted for him against Bush years ago. I would have like to have seen him run again, but he didn't until now.

Rose said...

Hey ex - check this out - only fair, since there's alot of negative spin going on - (and there would've been no matter who was chosen.
A side by side comparison Palin/Obama
New York Times (wait for hte pop up ad to go away)
In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate.

In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill. He voted “present,” effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator.

Sometimes the “present’ votes were in line with instructions from Democratic leaders or because he objected to provisions in bills that he might otherwise support. At other times, Mr. Obama voted present on questions that had overwhelming bipartisan support. In at least a few cases, the issue was politically sensitive.

The record has become an issue on the presidential campaign trail, as Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, his chief rival for the Democratic nomination, has seized on the present votes he cast on a series of anti-abortion bills to portray Mr. Obama as a “talker” rather than a “doer.”...

...“No politically motivated attacks in the 11th hour of a closely contested campaign can erase a record of leadership and courage,” said Bill Burton, Mr. Obama’s spokesman.

An examination of Illinois records shows at least 36 times when Mr. Obama was either the only state senator to vote present or was part of a group of six or fewer to vote that way.

In more than 50 votes, he seemed to be acting in concert with other Democrats as part of a strategy....


Hey - I don't expect to change your mind. I'd like to. But I don't expect to.

exrepublican said...

rose,
my mind may very well change, but your article didnt present a smoking gun for me...

lets talk strategy:
mcCane is trying to mimic Obama's message of change. Elsewhere, imitation may be the best form of flattery, but in a political campaign, it just makes your candidate look desperate. He will never beat Obama at his own game.

mcCane should have stuck by his claim that he was the SAFER choice. he lost a bit of that by picking a VEEP based on anatomical parts. how in the world will picking a trophy VEEP to match his trophy wife attract women? do women really respect beauty queens? women in my life dont. 2 days after his pick, ive yet to talk to a female family member or friend that is happy about the pick. the 4 month old baby will be a huge issue deep in the minds of women.

exrepublican said...

rose,
here's another thing: Obama was the unknown in the election. mcCane blew that advantage by picking Palin. the focus is now off of Obama and on her.

here is an example. this is from a woman's blog that i ran across.....

"All five of us on the elliptical machines turned to one another again. I wasn't the only one impressed by her speech. We were ALL surprised at this unique women who captured our attention while exercising. We wanted to know more..... who was this mystery women that could potentially be one heart beat away from the Presidency position? Who was Sarah Palin?

Anxiously, I headed home to learn more about Sarah Palin on the internet. I immediately googled her name and began reading..... and then my heart sank. Literally, my heart sank."

elections are about strategy. you have to admit that picking an unknown had risks. she is unknown and the media can stage the story. isnt that why the woman's heart sank?

Rose said...

Who knows?

Look - Obama's message about change is empty. It is a nice facade, it makes a nice reflection - it sounds good, and sounding good may carry him all the way.

It worked for Gallegos. Change. And look what happened. An office in a shambles. Cases filed or dismissed for all the wrong reasons.

Change for change's sake. It ain't necessarily a good thing.

But the Palin pick sure is messing with Obama's "McSame" message. That one ain'ta gonna fly no more, uh uh.

Never understood why they even tried that lame line anyway - everyone knows that no one has been more of a thorn in the beltway than McCain. No love lost between he and Bush.

exrepublican said...

if Obama's message of change is so flawed, why in the world would mcCane COPY the strategy?

back to earth here, this thread is about mcCane's pick, not Obama.


"No love lost between he and Bush."

hard to make that point when every major news team has shown pictures of mcCane and Bush with a birthday cake in Arizona while Katrina was flooding New Orleans. or when mcCane voted with bush 90% of the time.

Rose said...

And with that we are back on the talking point treadmill, and neither one of us is going to budge.

I know alot of people who are ga-ga over Obama. I keep asking - what is he really saying with those vacuous statements. Not all of them. I think he had a couple of 'real' moments in the Saddleback interview, which is vastly superior to any debate in recent memory.

I've said before - if he went back into the Senate - and for the next four years did SOMETHING - ANYTHING to distinguish himself, show that he wasn't just another Patty Berg doing the caucus thing and sticking to the party line, show that he has any inkling to do ANY ONE of those things you think he will miraculously DO once he is elected, show SOME evidence that he even cares about any of those issues....

THEN - in four years, I'll be standing beside you voting for him, ex. Not now.

Rose said...

For your reading pleasure - a right wing comment left on a left wing (Daily Kos fan) blog...
I can see why all you wymmyn are insulted.

After all, Palin has 10 years experience as mayor, 2 years as governor, also worked on the town council, has business experience. She was a formidable athlete, hunts, fishes, has 5 children and a stay at home husband. She has negotiated an international contract, wrangled a state budget, made appointments, taken on her own party, “big” oil, and the EPA. She is a self-made women of great accomplishment…

And then there is your idea of the ideal in womanhood, an extraordianrily corrupt harpie who only is where she is because of who she married. Indeed, she remains married to him for his name even though he has cheated on her with multiple women, they dont share the same home, and it is widely known he continues to cheat on her to this day! A woman who resorts to tears to evoke sympathy when she is losing an election that was handed to her on a silver platter.

Now that’s a feminist!

Yes, I can see how Sarah Palin is an insult to feminist wymmyn everywhere. She is a stark reminder that “feminism” has become utterly meaningless, blatantly hypocritical, and has devolved into nothing more than a club for lesbians and disaffected women of the homely persuasion.

In other words she is self made success that is everything feminists purport to esteem, and yet cannot, because she doesnt share their politics of victimology.

exrepublican said...

"She is a stark reminder that “feminism” has become utterly meaningless, blatantly hypocritical, and has devolved into nothing more than a club for lesbians and disaffected women of the homely persuasion."

you think words like this will persuade women to vote for the conservative ticket? are you yanking my chain?
my grandmother, my mother, my wife, my daughter and my sister would all turn up their noses to mcCane if they saw this attackby mcCane supporters....

is the campaign digging themselves a hole here, or this my overactive immagination taking over?

do they want women votes or not? rush's weekend show today was 100% about "stepford wives" such as michelle obama and hillary. did he not get the memo that he is supposed to be ATTRACTING women?

i want to see a decent race, not a total blowout. come on...is that really the best you can come up with to change my mind?

Rose said...

No. I don't expect to change your mind, and I didn't say I agreed with this - just that it was interesting, on a blog that has Daily Kos in his sidebar...

No. I put some links up in the main post that might interest you, though. Posts made by an (ex) democrat.

Rose said...

The campaign chess game
Palin: a less-wordy Obama for the Right?
Palin: playing the inexperience card is a loser for the Democrats
Dissing Palin’s small-town mayoral experience…
McCain/Palin and Biden: walking the walk
Palin: the “Northern Exposure” candidate
Sophia and Sarah: separated at birth?
Palin: a curveball to the Democrats on shattering the glass ceiling
Sarah Palin: sent from Central Casting?

exrepublican said...

the problem with most of the articles is that they use the premise that hillary voters will switch over. i dont see that happening. i may be wrong, time will tell...

Rose said...

They're not articles - just one woman's opinion. She's a good read - check out her story in the bio.

exrepublican said...

so......now it turns out that palins 17 year old UNMARRIED daughter is pregant. the sky is falling on mcCane, if you cant admit that his VEEP pick has backfired on him, then you are just a partisan hack with no political knowledge whatsoever.....

UNMARRIED pregnant kids dont win points with social conservatives.

romney's kids are looking like angels now..

Rose said...

Partisan hack? Because I am not fazed by the hate machine?

You've not budged either. But I'll take a VP with a pregnant daughter over a P with buddies like Ayres, Rezko, Wright, and Farrakhan - ANY DAY.

Anyhow - I guess that makes two of us Partisan Hacks. Shall we make some bi-partisan bumper stickers? Hacks for _____.

Rose said...

If this is true:
What did Ayres do?

7 October 1969 ˆBombing of Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago, apparently as a 'kickoff' for the 'Days of Rage' riots in the city October 8-11, 1969. The Weathermen later claimed credit for the bombing in their book, 'Prairie Fire.'

8-11 October 1969 ˆThe 'Days of Rage' riots occur in Chicago in which 287 Weatherman members from throughout the country were arrested and a large amount of property damage was done.

6 December 1969 ˆBombing of several Chicago Police cars parked in a precinct parking lot at 3600 North Halsted Street, Chicago. The WUO stated in their book 'Prairie Fire' that they had did the explosion.

27-31 December 1969 ˆ Weathermen hold a 'War Council' meeting in Flint, MI, where they finalize their plans to submerge into an underground status from which they plan to commit strategic acts of sabotage against the government. Thereafter they are called the 'Weather Underground Organization' (WUO).

13 February 1970 - Bombing of several police vehicles of the Berkeley, California, Police Department.

16 February 1970 ˆBombing of Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen.

6 March 1970 ˆBombing in the 13th Police District of the Detroit, Michigan. 34 sticks of dynamite are discovered. During February and early March, 1970, members of the WUO, led by Bill Ayers, are reported to be in Detroit, during that period, for the purpose of bombing a police facility.

6 March 1970 ˆ'bomb factory' located in New York's Greenwich Village accidentally explodes. WUO members die . The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey. The bomb was packed with nails TO INFILICT MAXIMUM CASUALTIES UPON DETONATION.

30 March 1970 ˆChicago Police discover a WUO 'bomb factory' on Chicago's north side. A subsequent discovery of a WUO 'weapons cache' in a south side Chicago apartment several days later ends WUO activity in the city.

10 May 1970 ˆBombing of The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C..

21 May 1970 ˆThe WUO under Bernardine Dohrn's (Ayers' current wife) name releases its 'Declaration of a State of War' communique.

6 June 1970 ˆ The WUO sends a letter claiming credit for bombing of the San Francisco Hall of Justice; however, no explosion actually took place. Months later, workmen in this building located an unexploded device which had apparently been dormant for some time.

9 June 1970 - Bombing of The New York City Police Headquarters.

27 July 1970 - Bombing of The Presidio army base in San Francisco. [NYT, 7/27/70]

12 September 1970 ˆThe WUO helps Dr. Timothy Leary, break out and escape from the California Men's Colony prison.

8 October 1970 - Bombing of Marin County courthouse. [NYT, 8/10/70]

10 October 1970 - Bombing of Queens traffic-court building. [NYT, 10/10/70, p. 12]

14 October 1970 - Bombing of The Harvard Center for International Affairs [NYT, 10/14/70, p. 30]

1 March 1971 - Bombing of The United States Capitol.' [NYT, 3/2/71]

April, 1971 ˆabandoned WUO 'bomb factory' discovered in San Francisco, California.

29 August, 1971 - Bombing of the Office of California Prisons. [LAT, 8/29/71]

17 September 1971 - Bombing of The New York Department of Corrections in Albany, NY [NYT, 9/18/71]

15 October 1971 - Bombing of William Bundy's office in the MIT research center. [NYT, 10/16/71]

19 May 1972 - Bombing of The Pentagon. [NYT, 5/19/72]

18 May 1973 - Bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York

28 September 1973 - Bombing of ITT headquarters in New York and Rome, Italy. [NYT, 9/28/73]

6 March 1974 - Bombing of the Department of Health, Education and Welfare offices in San Francisco

31 May 1974 - Bombing of The Office of the California Attorney General.

17 June 1974 - Bombing of Gulf Oil's Pittsburgh headquarters.

11 September 1974 ˆ Bombing of Anaconda Corporation (part of the Rockefeller Corporation).

29 January 1975 - Bombing of the State Department (AP. 'State Department Rattled by Blast,' The Daily Times-News, January 29 1975, p.1)

16 June 1975 - Bombing of Banco de Ponce (a Puerto Rican bank) in New York.

September, 1975 ˆBombing of the Kennecott Corporation.

October 20, 1981 - Brinks robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, New York. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others were wounded.

1981 'Guilty as hell*. Free as a bird. America is a great country,' Ayers said when interviewed by David Horowitz.

September 11, 2001 'I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough.' Ayers is quoted in a New York Times article.


Now - Obama said John McCain said he would follow Osama to the ends of the earth, but wouldn't follow him to his cave - yet Barack is buddies with this guy? And follows him home, and has dinner with him, and conducts political activities with him...

There's an irony here.

exrepublican said...

rose,
im a registered republican who has voted libertarian most of his life. ive NEVER voted democrat. if that makes me a partisan hack, so be it. at least i can look at the situation HONESTLY, and say that the VEEP pick has backfired on mcCane.

exrepublican said...

rose,
if the weather underground were running for office, i would be with you 100%.....unfortunately for your case, Obama had nothing to do with the weather underground. OH!!! except that Obama is black!!!! now i see....

exrepublican said...

17 year old UNMARRIED pregnant girls....lol

are we electing people to a trailer park or to the White House?

exrepublican said...

if the baby turns out to be a boy, she should name it GUSTAV!!!!

rose,
dont you think that you should change the title of this thread from "brilliant" to "bungled"?

exrepublican said...

maybe this gimmick will work for mcCane and he will win.....then we can witness a shotgun wedding on the White House lawn in february!!!

Rose said...

Nope, because as a Pro-Choice person with four kids, I have to say Sarah Palin has more courage than I do.

As for a teenage daughter who gets pregnant, it happens. It could happen to me. How would I handle it? I honestly do not know.

But I do know that the only way to end abortion is to put value on the kids, stop the mentality that having a kid means your life is over, stop girls from being hated and ostracized from their families for making a mistake, and for families to stick together when something like this happens.

Does it change my opinion of McCain? No. Does it change my opinion of Sarah Palin? Having just begun to find out what she is about - I would say again, she's braver than me.

And, I agree with you on the LIbertarian thing. I lean more that way myself - and I do not vote party lines.

exrepublican said...

rose said: "I agree with you on the LIbertarian thing."

rose,
how could you not agree with my voting history? i didnt dicuss any libertarian ideology, only my voting history.

rose then said: "and I do not vote party lines"

yeah right!!!! if you believe that, i have a "bridge to nowhere" to sell you.....if you cant even bring yourself to question whether mcCane made a good VEEP pick, how can you call yourself non-partisan?

Rose said...

You ask how I know how you voted and then you presume to say how I vote?

Maybe you haven't been coming here very long - but I've said many times that Partisanship will be the death of our system. And, as long as the votes on every bill line up along party lines - we don't need representatives in Washington - why should they bother to go to work? Why should we pay to maintain an office for them? We know how they will vote - so just fill in the votes without them there.

They might as we;; be sitting on a beach somewhere playing tiddlywinks.

McCain - and Lieberman are different. They cross the party doctrine. And are slimes by their own parties for doing so. I respect both of them for that.

Rose said...

THE MAKING OF A RUNNING MATE
Palin Made an Impression From the Start
Fellow Maverick Survived McCain's Thorough Vetting Process, Aides Say

exrepublican said...

rose,
name liberals that youve voted for. name some democrats. name some independants.

exrepublican said...

rose,
ive been partisan in the past. i would have rather left a space blank than vote for a democrat in the past. this year is different. ive switched over like lieberman. not like mcCane.

Anonymous said...

oops

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.daughter/index.html

Anonymous said...

oops

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/01/MN4612MCRH.DTL

Rose said...

You're not reading the thread at all, are you 6:24/7:18. We've been discussing exactly that.

exrepublican said...

rose,
name liberals that youve voted for. name some democrats. name some independants.

Anonymous said...

Poor Laura Bush can't even speak straight, even while staring straight at the teleprompter, which is nowhere near the TV cameras.

Rose said...

I missed it - Went to the Circus. It was GREAT! The performers are from Argentina, Uzbekistan, Brazil, Columbia, awesome and amazing.

Rose said...

Ok - I didn't miss it or it was replayed. I don't agree with your assessment at all. She sounds just like she always has.

I'll tell you this, though. My wish for you is that if you get your guy Obama in, that he is treated with the same loving kindness, respect and humanity that Laura Bush and her husband and family have enjoyed. Now that would be karma. Not of his making, but karma, nonetheless.

Anonymous said...

oops-

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/02/MNIU12MMIH.DTL&tsp=1

Rose said...

I'm not sure which side you are 'ooopsing' on anonymous. Are you FOR Palin? Or have you just not read the articles you link to?

Still, Palin's unusual personal history, warts and all, could enhance her voter appeal, especially among women who are just tuning in to the election.

"She's such a complicated persona, she's such a mix of different things, that it's really hard to predict how she will come across to those women," said Susan Carroll, a senior scholar at the Center for American Women and Politics at Rutgers University. "Clearly a lot of undecided women will be able to identify with a number of things about her life, including her trials and tribulations, around her infant with Down syndrome, and also the pregnant teenager and the son going off to Iraq. A lot of American families have been through these things themselves."


Here's a leftie link for ya- but check out the comment thread, it's not what you'd expect.

Then there's this rebuttal to that post.

You should be wishing her well.

Anonymous said...

Isn't the circus GREAT! Kids just love them. As for the anti everything nuts,just laugh in their face. They really are unhappy,unfullfilled and personally unattractive people. Now as for Mrs. Palin now theirs an attractive,fullfilled and happy person. I'll bet she takes her kids to the circus.

Anonymous said...

oops

http://current.com/items/89259419_members_of_fringe_alaskan_independence_party_say_palin_was_a_member_in_90s

Anonymous said...

oops

http://www.slate.com/id/2199140/

Anonymous said...

By oops, I mean that your VP has some serious baggage, and is in no means a BRILLIANT choice for VP.

Why pass on Giuliani? Why pass on Thompson? Shit, if you are a true conservative, why pass on Sam Brownback? He represents the Rebublican principles better than anyone!!

Anonymous said...

McCain didn't pick Giulini or Thompson because they have penis's. Period.

Capture the Hillary vote was the motive.

It could work though!