(Note to cooks: If you're googling for instructions, this is not actually a site giving you instructions for cooking dungeness crab, though there are several methods and even a recipe included in the discussion here. I recommend the Oregon Dungeness Crab Commission or this one This post is a discussion about the actions taken by the predatory litigious activist group called "Humboldt Baykeeper.")
Anybody know how to cook Dungeness Crab - and why it has to be prepared a certain way?
Yes. I had a reason for asking. And, yes, I know how to cook crab - and why. Or at least I thought I did.
But lo and behold - I got the Lawsuit-Happy Baykeepers' Christmas begging, I mean, greeting letter, and discovered I have been wrong all these years...
They care so much, they were kind enough to enclose "a pamphlet on safe preparation of Dungeness crab."
They "wish this information were unnecessary, but so long as we're still working to clean up the Bay, please follow the guidelines when enjoying local seafood to protect your health and the health of your family."
Oh really?
"They" felt it necessary to provide this little guide to killing the crab before cooking him, "because of increased levels of pollution in our bays and oceans."
What are you really trying to say, Mr. Sterling-Nichols? You just want to IMPLY it, you don't REALLY want to SAY it, because that would be incredibly irresponsible wouldn't it? Imagine the damage you can do the local fishermen, and local shellfish industry with an irresponsible implication like that. But anything to bring in the money and get people scared so they will turn to BayKeeper for Salvation - oh, and don't forget SEND MONEY to "help us grow stronger and more effective."
Very Sneaky. And downright Despicable.
Did you buy it live from the docks? Otherwise it's probably already cooked.
ReplyDeleteNot yet.
ReplyDeleteThanks. mrsb814. I snagged it from heraldo... For BBQ crab:
ReplyDeleteCook crabs whole for 12 minutes in boiling water. Cool and back/clean these and break them into two halves.
Marinate the crab halves in a combination of mayonaise, white wine, garlic and parsley-turning every so often for at least four hours.
Place on hot coals for a couple minutes each side it changes the color to bright orange. Warm the marinade and serve with the crab and/or to dip sourdough bread.
killing, cleaning and cooking crab
ReplyDeleteFunny you should send that link anon 2:15.
ReplyDeleteLittle did you know it has something to do with my post.
"Very Sneaky. And downright Despicable."
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm sure you say the same thing to the pastor at your church Rose.
I know you and I know Richard Salzman. You are like twins. Both of you manipulate anything to make your point. Sleaze bags both.
ReplyDeleteLike taking innocuous instructions on cooking crab and twisting them to suit your aim? Implying grave danger while asking for money? Who's manipulating here?
ReplyDelete"Implying grave danger while asking for money?'
ReplyDeleteLike I said... just like you pastor.
Unfortunately Rose you must live a terrible life. I am sorry for that and wish you well. There is a lot to enjoy out there. Paranoia will destroy you. Get help. Really.
Silly me, I really didn't know that you could miraculously just rinse pollutants like Dioxin and Mercury from meat. If only it were that simple.
ReplyDeleteI think this comes from the fact that dioxin and mercury collect in fatty tissue. So if you remove those parts a much as possible you will reduce your potential for exposure. It's really not that hard to understand.
ReplyDelete9:10 and 9:28 - get a life.
ReplyDeleteThank you Rose. I also believe that this type of subtle manipulation is despicable. Shame on you Baykeeper! You pull these antics to justify your existence and to keep money coming in...what to buy a new boat and try to get your name in the paper? You evidently don't give a squat about the local fishing industry. Your attempt to gather cash can and will have serious implications for local oyster farmers, crabbers and fisherman.
Where did you move here from and please go back there!
11:45 The point is, if Baykeeper intends to SAY that the crabs are contaminated, they should do so. To IMPLY it, and use the implication to scare people are bring in donations is wrong. They should issue an immmediate apology to the industry, to the fishermen and to the people of Humboldt County.
ReplyDelete"dredging lawsuit did hurt the industry and could and did cause unsafe conditions on the bar"
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about? There was no "dredging lawsuit", just a delay of the Costal Commission permit, and the dredging being that was in dispute was not at the bar.
The delay in dredging did cause some minor damage and major inconvince to the boats in the marina.
"lab testing didn't back up their 'factoids'"
Wrong again, testing did back up the fact that dioxin was detected in all samples taken for the dredge, as claimed. Only thing is, is that they were in such low levels that they were determined not to be harmful.
You are rightly critical of Baykeeper, but a least get the facts right.
No kidding...
ReplyDeleteOh, but baykeeper and CAT would rather stop the fishing industry in Humboldt to advance their warped goals.
Explain how the Baykeeper 'threat of lawsuit' cost local fishermen a year delay in dredging the marina?
ReplyDeleteThe 'threat of lawsuit' which you refer to did nothing. The Harbor District stood their ground and Baykeeper did nothing. Again, the delay came from the time it took the Coastal Commission to process the permit after they received information from Baykeeper at the hearing in Eureka. Law suits or threats there of had no bearing on the time it took to do the dredging.
"I realize that Baykeeper needs grant funding and donations to keep themselves afloat-perhaps they can have a pancake feed?"
ReplyDeleteThey have fundraisers all the time. Maybe you should call and ask where the money comes from and let us know.
2:14 I got my information from the Harbor District-where does yours come from?
ReplyDeleteAnd yes it was a delay of a year to dredge the Marina because of I assume the testing process and the discussion that ensued about where dredge spoils would be disposed. The process involved in public comment periods is of course (not Baykeeper's fault) yet it is a direct result of their actions.
In any case-The Fishing Community took that as a direct link to Baykeeper's interventions and I have been searching online for more info-will keep you posted.
There doesn't seem to be a need for actual scientific study-to bring up the possibilities that toxins may exist which to me is an expensive way to ask a question. Why does Baykeeper have to threaten lawsuits and publish innuendo to garner support but when the actual testing is done in a state certified lab-only scant amounts of toxic substances far lower than would cause a danger to humans is ever found?
Scare tactics may work in fund raising activities in the short term, but over time must prove disastrous for Baykeeper's credibility and I think would work against them in finding support of any type. The public isn't as stupid as 'Baykeeper' seems to believe and after awhile...zilch, zip, nada.
Something like 700 members that have greater faith in the BayKeeper than the Harbor District.
ReplyDeleteOf course I wouldn't consider it a conspiracy that the Harbor District hires the same contractor for testing and dredging. No conflict there.
The actual tests are done in a state certified lab-something you wouldn't know if one landed on you.
ReplyDelete"2:14 I got my information from the Harbor District-where does yours come from?"
ReplyDeleteFrom the Harbor District website. Meeting minutes, Feb. 7, 2006.
The perception going around is that Baykeepers don't bother with finding facts through scientific study. They cause delays that hamper safety-even though an earlier poster mixed bar dredging with marina dredging-safety is hampered when periodic dredging does not occur on time:
ReplyDeleteThe city fire boat can be left sitting high and dry, unable to assist a boat or bay structure with a fire. Fishermen can be stranded, unable to get off sandbars to go to work and/or come in from work with their catch.
Its mainly an inconvenience but it effects their bottom line which can be iffy at certain times of the year.
Deckhands only get paid a percentage of the catch landed. For that matter boat owners and operators get paid the same way-it isn't an hourly rate or a salaried position.
It is understood that Baykeeper applies for grants and receives funding via donations, but there are not fuel, bait and maintenance bills to pay for you guys when you're in between grant checks. Try working for a living instead of pushing paper and other peoples buttons.
"The actual tests are done in a state certified lab-something you wouldn't know if one landed on you."
ReplyDeleteThat has zip to do with taking the samples.
And what is that supposed to mean-you wanted to monitor or take the actual samples from dredge spoils yourself? Why didn't you tell them at that time?
ReplyDeleteIts not hard to imagine taking you out on a dredge would be a liability issue.
7:32 Pick one: (Pete, Mike, Anon)I'm getting bored with your conspiracy theories-why don't you just post your name so we can see if you're credible at all and how about some facts rather than your see through 'almost statements'.
ReplyDeleteWell Mary, you just don't have the facts. Stop in at the Baykeeper office and ask them.
ReplyDeleteSeems it is Mary and Rose that have the conspiracy theories yet they have never bothered to talk to the individuals they attack. Chicken shits comes to mind.
ReplyDeletePete Nichols is welcome to post an explanation for his little How-to Cook Crab piece. Right along with his apology to the fishermen and the local shellfish industry for the implied statement.
ReplyDeleteFor that matter, he can go to the media (and that doesn't mean just KMUD and the TS) and explain his source of funding - open his books, living up to that open and transparent ideal I'm sure he aspires to.
Then he can explain why his guys have business cards that list their job title as "litigation consultant."
HIs mailer lists among his accomplishments the "Dioxin listing for Humboldt Bay that will make available additional resources for addressing the dioxin contamination that threatens the wildlife and resource economy of Humboldt Bay."
Cleary is the real deal. The REAL grassroots effort. Been working hard for years, has earned respect, and made a difference. She was not in it for the money.
I still say it is you that should talk to him. Get the word from the horse's mouth rather than your conspiracy theory.
ReplyDeleteYou would rather hide behind your computer. Bad reporter. Good rumor monger.
BTW - that crab Baykeeper piece was informative for many of us. I read it and used it. Great tasting Humboldt crab. In fact it made more appreciative of our local crab.
ReplyDeleteYou would slam the Baykeeper no matter what they did. So your news is no news considering the source. They do more good for this community than you would wish you could. If you don't take the time to open you eyes and ears you are doomed to you own deamons. Take the time to listen to the other side.
So you defend their implying that the crab is contaminated. Come right out and say it - you want people to believe the bay is hopelessly contaminated, and without "SuperBaykeeper" to the rescue, we are all doomed. You're the conspiracy theorist.
ReplyDeleteNo. Not at all. The point is they provide some useful information for killing, cleaning and cooking crab. It is no secret there is the potential for toxics in any seafood product. Certainly in the organs that filter. For those who choose to be aware of how to better prepaire crab in a way that might avoid the toxins this information is valuable. For you it might not be. But like it or not there are a lot of consumers who do care.
ReplyDeleteYou're back. Which name do you want to go by?
ReplyDeleteI don't see why you would care. You aren't open to a constructive dialogue. That would ruin your blog. What fun is it to find middle ground?
ReplyDeleteStruck a nerve here didn't I?
ReplyDeleteWell perhaps. There of course is bigger story here.
ReplyDeleteThe Harbor District has made some decisions that could be construed as hurting both the bay and the fisherman. I'm no newcomer to the Harbor District. And I have had interaction with the fisherman and the Fisherman's Mktg. Assoc. I attend the District's meetings and participate.
I come to support the Baykeeper from what I know. Not what the Baykeeper tells me.
If, for instance, the District hadn't so eagerly tossed $19 million (I think) into deepening the channel for large scale shipping they could be now dumping maintenance dredge spoils at the Hoods site rather than in the surf. They could have done a comprehensive test of all the bay for toxins. And by now they could be mitigating the problem.
I appreciate the desire to find a one shot solution to making the port productive. But all the promises never materialized. They are still looking. Sooner or later it will catch up to them.
The Baykeeper made many overtures to the Harbor District to work with them. The commissioners refused.
But again, I don't believe you will appreciate any of this. It won't fit into a conspiracy.
700 members, you say?
ReplyDeleteBTW - I was involved in putting that crab prep piece together. Never was there a discussion of making an issue of contamination. It was more like creating instructions for avoiding cross ccontamination when preparing chiken. What the best way to be safe.
ReplyDeleteAnd if you knew Pete you would know that he would like nothing better for the fishing industry to thrive.
Sorry about the spelling. One too many bourbons.
ReplyDeleteStruck a nerve here didn't I?
ReplyDeleteYeah. I hate typos.
ReplyDeleteI hate spell check.
ReplyDeleteYou probably hate bourbon.
ReplyDeleteNever tried it.
ReplyDeletePerhaps you should.
ReplyDeletePerhaps, but I am curious - if you didn't intend to imply the crabs were contaminated, why'd ya do it? Are ya gonna issue an apology? Or is that the closest we're gonna get?
ReplyDeleteFrom the brochure:
ReplyDelete"Humboldt Bay is home to a vibrant Dungeness crab fishery, and here on the North Coast Dungeness crab is woven into our local culture and diet. Dungeness crab is an excellent source of protein, is low in fat and calories, and contains important minerals, such as calcium, iron and magnesium, as well as essential amino acids. The following technique for cleaning and cooking Dungeness crab is suggested because of increased levels of pollution in our bays and oceans. Shellfish can be contaminated with harmful chemicals and heavy metals, including dioxin, PCBs, and mercury."
I don't see anything to apologize for. Sorry.
You forgot the accompanying line: "We wish this information were unnecessary, but so long as we're still working to clean up the Bay, please follow the guidelines when enjoying local seafood to protect your health and the health of your family."
ReplyDeleteEspecially when it is followed by:
ReplyDelete"To avoid exposure to harmful chemicals, it is important to clean crabs thoroughly before cooking and eating them. Only the meat of crabs should be consumed - not their internal organs. Do not eat the soft "green stuff " (called "crab butter," mustard, tomalley, liver or hepatopancreas) found in the body section of crabs."
If you shop at the Co-Op or are concerned about chemicals in our food you see this sort of information all the time.
How have we all survived all these years?
ReplyDeleteSee, everyone knows...Catching crabs usually leads to cooking them, and that in turn usually means boiling them alive, as you would with a lobster. While some people are squeamish about this, it's really the only way to prepare fresh crab and make sure you won't get sick from eating it. That's because crab (again, like lobster) tends to decay quickly following death. It really requires immediate cooking.
ReplyDeleteAnd that is true also. It's a matter of perspective Rose. Like I said, I believe the bay could be cleaner. A lot cleaner. There are risks in eating seafood. To what level might they affect me I don't know. But I would rather be safe and use the Baykeepers guidelines.
ReplyDeleteLook at it this way. If there is doubt in someone's mind about eating crabs at least now they can enjoy them with a little more piece of mind if they follow this procedure. Plus they really taste better to me.
I understand what you are saying. I will take it back to the Baykeeper and see if for the next run there is a better wording.
I hate killing anything. But to boil a crab is difficult as it at least seems like a long period of suffering. By wacking em with the cleaver I get it over with and toss em right in the pot after cleaning.
ReplyDeleteAgain. Two views. But there can be two different views can't there?
(I'll retract that tomorrow)
The damage is done. The message is quite clear.
ReplyDeleteSo when do these 700 members meet?
Ah Rose. Thanks for being so... conversational. I was hoping we could have a dialogue. Sorry to have distracted you.
ReplyDeleteIn the future if you ever care to really converse let me know.
Must be the bourbon talking.
ReplyDeleteBut yes, there can be two different views.
There doesn't have to be lawsuits.
Good morning Richard - are you hungover from the bourbon last night?
ReplyDeleteShh..Rose...I think Richard is sleeping it off.
ReplyDelete"I would rather be safe and use the Baykeepers guidelines."
ReplyDeleteHuh? You mean they can cut and paste some instructions and it becomes the baykeepers guidelines? You really are gullible. All hail the baykeeper.
IMNSHO
"Baykeepers should
ReplyDeletefocus on real issues"
Your pointing to wastewater treatment plants and septic systems as a source for the cause of algal blooms is way off. There is no data that would suggest that this is the case. The nutrient coming into the bay from these sources is orders of magnitude less than other land uses such as dairy farms, logging and urban runoff. In fact it is unknown what the reason for the recent algal blooms are. There is also a larger than normal density of eel grass as well, makeing the bay look "greener".
Sorry, but what does BAY keeper have to do with commercial crabbing? The crabs you are buying off the dock and in the stores come from offshore (In the Ocean). Only sport geeks catch crabs in the bay and there aren't many but the regs allow a smaller size crab to be taken.
ReplyDeleteWhat would be the point spending money on printing up brochures with this crap about backing a live crab-you people are twisted! Sick.
"fact it is unknown what the reason for the recent algal blooms are. There is also a larger than normal density of eel grass as well, makeing the bay look "greener". "
ReplyDeleteWell, isnt that the point, 1211? Dont you find it odd that these are the places that discharge from wastesystems are being introduced into the bay?
'threat' of lawsuits...?
ReplyDeleteNot a matter of If, but When.
A lot of the wastesystems you mention were in place before current regulations but I will call Doug Jackson-he is an engineer for the City of Fortuna. His letter was reposted here without his knowledge.
ReplyDelete12:28 ThreatsRUs
ReplyDeleteHoping after you get shot down a few times you'll end up looking as bad as your friend PG (another waster of public funds)
Coal in Your stocking!
The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed but that he cannot believe anyone else.
ReplyDelete-George Bernard Shaw
"It has been my experience though that you two do not want to debate facts-you live in the land of Innuendo and would much rather quasi-debate the underinformed."
ReplyDeleteIt is amazing to me that you would say this when virtually everything you have said in this blog stream has been factually incorrect.
"Well, isnt that the point, 1211? Dont you find it odd that these are the places that discharge from wastesystems are being introduced into the bay?"
ReplyDeleteThese areas are all also downstream of dairy farms, logging and urban runoff. And if you knew anything about water quality you would know that these can produce far more nutrients than the local wastewater treatment plants. Ask any water quality expert or call the North Coast Regional Water Quality Control Board.
It has been my experience though that you two do not want to debate facts-you live in the land of Innuendo and would much rather quasi-debate the underinformed.
ReplyDeleteThat would be Rose and Mary right?
You condescending snob. So we are the uniformed and are supposedly "quasi-debating" with Rose and Mary. You really are an elitist creep who thinks that you are the know it all. what a jerk.
ReplyDeleteMary, Since you are a fan of George Bernard Shaw here is a quote you may borrow:
ReplyDelete"The longer I live the more I see that I am never wrong about anything, and that all the pains I have so humbly taken to verify my notions have only wasted my time."
Another fan of the Quotations Page... or you have been to my webpage?
ReplyDeleteBoth. Thanks for the time you have given to the issue. It must be appreciated by people who have no idea what has gone on here and some who will not post for whatever reason!
ReplyDeleteStart checking your facts before you flap girls:
ReplyDelete3 ounces of crab meat = 1 gram of fat
And 94 calories. Mary sure is SMART.
ReplyDeleteWow! The glare of the tin foil hats is blinding me! That's some analysis to connect a crab recipe to political manipulation of the masses. You must be exhausted. Please, Rose et. al., keep this up -- it's great for a laugh when I'm bored.
ReplyDeleteLoved the GB Shaw quote.
There are a lot more where that came from:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/George_Bernard_Shaw/
I think Pete Nichols would like nothing better than to see Pete Nichols thrive. If he gave a crap about people who make their living on the bay he would find less confrontational methods of achieving his supposed goals.
ReplyDeleteBaykeeper is not about assuring the financial success of people using the Bay. It is about the success of the Bay, itself. Guess what, not every natural resource is there for people to use up as they want and without regard. If you really cared about the Bay, you'd get that.
ReplyDeleteBaykeeper is at least in part about ensuring the financial success of Pete Nichols. I get that loud and clear.
ReplyDeleteI think we all should get together and send richard a truck load of bourbon. He seems nicer when drunk.
ReplyDeleteNicer than what??
ReplyDeleteI didn't say "nice" just "nicer"....ok nicer than the acidic, vitriolic, manipulating, dictatorlike, anti-democratic, woman hating skunk that he normally is.
ReplyDeleteWell, let's see, Mary, we've got the term RINO for those type of republicans; what do we call an environmentalist in name only? How about an Eureka elitist -- (help me out on that one, bloggers.)
ReplyDeleteSorry that Target is too small for you.
You've got to do more than just drive a Prius.
I've said before - Gallegos does not have one iota of Richard's dedication and determination, work ethic and smarts. I am constantly amazed that Richard continues not only to defend him but to excuse his failings. It must be exhausting.
ReplyDeleteRichard knows that I think he is being badly used - hung out to dry, as it were.
That'll do for now, Happy holidays, and Merry Christmas all.
That brochure has been out for 14 months.
ReplyDeleteAh... but Mary, you did learn that crab meat is low in fat.
Lawsuits are the only thing that gets the attention of the truly corrupt offender. I know, 'cause I'm in the trenches. You can't talk nice and reasonable and work it out -- I tried for YEARS, and they told me to fuck off over and over. So, finally, I came back with my lawyer. Until you've done what I've done, you have no idea what it takes. It takes a hellva lot more than arranging meetings. And I am not Baykeeper, just a little no-name, less $$ local. Baykeeper's got it going on -- weaklings like me are happy they're here.
ReplyDelete4:15 You forgot to sign your post--Sarah Salzman?
ReplyDeleteMaybe Mary was looking for this on the Harbor District's site:
ReplyDelete6.1.4 Dioxin and Similar Toxic Materials Associated with Past Land Uses "Dioxin" is one of a number of chemical compounds that are created as byproducts or contaminants when chemically complex hydrocarbon structures are reacted commercially to add chlorine to one or more of the constituents.10 That is, dioxin is not a formulated product, but it occurs as a constituent in a variety of commercial- grade products containing chlorine, including herbicides and pesticides, as well as compounds used to inhibit biological activity in other contexts. One of the categories of compounds in which dioxin has been found is wood preservatives that have active ingredients consisting of cyclic ("aromatic") hydrocarbon molecules with multiply substituted chlorine atoms. Such chemicals were used in many wood products manufacturing facilities or mills in the 1950s and 1960s as anti-fungal or preservative agents for wood products. The most widely known of these compounds (or mixtures of chemically similar compounds) was pentachlorophenol (also known as "penta" and PCP). PCP is itself a toxic material that is now banned from use in the United States.11
Dioxin-contaminated PCP is known to have been used at several lumber-processing mills in the Humboldt Bay region. In 2002 dioxin was detected in surveys carried out at the Sierra Pacific Industries mill on the Samoa peninsula adjacent to the Mad River Slough. Detectable contamination was found in the sediments under the mill, as well as in sediments in Mad River Slough. Dioxin was also detected in oyster tissue samples from commercial mariculture beds in Arcata Bay.12 Recent detection of dioxin in sediment has been confirmed elsewhere in Humboldt Bay, but the extent of the occurrence is uncertain.
More here
"I write letters and ask questions and meet new people always looking for something to like about them-even if its frustrating, my time is never wasted."
ReplyDeleteYou are awesome.
Nope, not Sarah Salzman. Like I said, I'm a no-name. But I have been verbally threatened, beyond the fuck off, so anonymous will have to do.
ReplyDeleteNo, just amused. Or maybe bored.
ReplyDeleteWhy should we have to blindly debate the soundness of Baykeeper's science? Any scientific findings that are not placed firmly in the public arena are by definition not scientific at all. It's that whole scientific method thing, which requires that findings be made public so that others have a chance to replicate or refute findings.
ReplyDeleteIf Pete Nichols is really taking all of these legal actions on the basis of his scientific findings, I urge him to behave in a scientific manner and publish them in their entirety--not only for the sake of a community with so much to lose, not only for the numerous people his litigious behavior could put out of work, but also for the sake of the science itself.
Pete's so-called science is not science at all until he does so.
Odd that I woke up this morning thinking of a phrase that ends in: "...Faster than you can say Class Action Lawsuit".
ReplyDeleteI wonder how Pete (and Richard) would like the new tag-'Defendant'?
How is boiling a crab to death any less barbaric than killing it with one quick blow?
ReplyDeleteThe Dungeness crab is a good environmental indicator of toxic contaminants because it bioaccumulates contaminants in its tissue especially from the consumption of food containing the contaminants. It stores these contaminants in the fat-rich digestive gland (hepatopancreas). It bioconcentrates contaminants at a higher level than finfish and many other shellfish (e.g. shrimp), partly because of its relatively sedentary nature and because it favours sandy substrates where contaminated sediments often accumulate.
ReplyDeleteAnd thus without testing every crab you eat it is good practice to remove and not eat that part of the crab.
ReplyDeleteRumor has it that the signs that the Humboldt Baykeepers put up and used had their aluminum come from overseas, from areas known to use child labor.
ReplyDeleteActually, the signs are made from recycled plastic, but I am sure recycling also fits into your conspiracy theories somewhere as well.
ReplyDeleteThey're obviously not cheap...Question is - who paid for them? Who approved the County putting up signs with a group's (any group's) name, logo and phone number on it? What other groups get that privilege?
ReplyDeleteAnd why would the County do this with a group who is poised to sue them til the cows come home?
Why, why, why? Call up the Baykeeper and ask them.
ReplyDeleteParanoid much? Relieve that anxiety with a few phone calls.
What anxiety?
ReplyDelete2:43, you say that you are in the know...just cough it up then and be done with it.
ReplyDeleteTHANKS mrsb814. This is important.
ReplyDeleteAnd of course Mary checked with the Baykeeper.
ReplyDeleteBTW - Mary are you still working for Arkley?
ReplyDeleteUsed to be a little permethrin would kill crabs... oh, wait! Permethrin's a chemical - Baykeeper couldn't recommend that... maybe we should just smother the little devils to death in olive oil! Of course, olive oil doesn't do much for itching...
ReplyDeleteAm I on the wrong site?
Hey Mary - where's da facts?
ReplyDeleteYou don't understand, Richard - I mean VT - the FACTS are precisely what are missing from Baykeeper's little hit piece.
ReplyDeleteHe can't come right out and SAY the crabs are contaminated, so he IMPLIES that they are in order to bolster his own position and set the people up to believe in him as the savior.
It's sneaky, and if you really did have a part in concocting that little piece of propaganda, then that in and of itself is fascinating, since the spin has been that you are not involved with the Sterling-Nichols' - that they pushed you aside during the recent election.
I suspect the truth will be coming to light in the days to come.
You're funny.
ReplyDeleteWell Mary was going to set us straight with some nice hard facts from Ronnie - what happened?
ReplyDeleteWater Board to soon close the door on the Dioxin listing of Humboldt Bay issue. Who thinks they will stand by the Baykeeper?
ReplyDeleteYou mean Fredric Evenson's "Moneykeeper"?
ReplyDeleteCall 'em what they are, predatory litigious moneykeepers.
You didn't answer the question.
ReplyDeleteWho pays you, Richard?
ReplyDeleteToo late:
ReplyDeleteDioxin listing for bay legit, says state.
Nice headline. Did you actually READ the article Richard?
ReplyDeleteHow much are they gonna pay you for your efforts here?
Says a lot when that is your only comeback. Facts discredit your questionable antics.
ReplyDeleteFunny how you always use phrases that describe exactly what you are doing.
ReplyDeleteRose you are awesome. These keeper types are just the flavor of the day con-man. Unfortunately you can't con people who aren't willing to be con'd. Very sad to say that the Jim Jones as savior mentality is alive and well in a world with little direction. The modern day enviro movement is primed to suck in the unstructured minds needing some type of fullfillment. Just like Jones the leaders of these groups present a spiritual aura and live the high life off the money they so fraudulently suck in.HSU/CR/and to much dope keep a steady supply for new converts and their money. Just keep telling the truth Rose.
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