Thursday, April 03, 2014

Plea deals in Ferrer case tossed

Plea deals in Ferrer case tossed - Links to coverage by John Chiv, Mad River Union, Lost Coast Outpost, Times-Standard, KIEM Ch 3 News, and more. Updated as they're filed.

Plea bargains rejected in Ferrer case - John Chiv/Words Worth UPDATED

The Judge explains her reasoning. Gallegos late to the hearing. - John Chiv/Words Worth UPDATED
Once Judge Hinrichs was done explaining the rules and the plea bargaining, she opened her remarks with, "This case is a tragedy." She said the Court had read and reviewed all documents presented and these were from all the attorneys and Probation and the victim's family.

She then said her tentative decision was to set the pleas aside. She explained why and read post 1 (link above) for those details.
MAD RIVER UNION


Judge Tosses Plea Deals in Anderson-Jordet Stabbing Case - Hank Sims/Lost Coast Outpost UPDATED

...Judge Hinrichs said that it was not in the public interest to accept the plea agreements and signaled that she would disqualify herself from hearing the case in the future.

Times-Standard

A Humboldt County Superior Court judge set aside the pleas of three people charged in connection with the fatally stabbing of an Arcata chef in November at their sentencing hearing today.

Judge Joyce D. Hinrichs also set May preliminary hearing dates in the cases to determine whether they will face trial.

...His family asked the judge to set aside the plea, saying manslaughter didn’t represent the scope of the crime.

Arcata residents Nicholas Benjamin Stoiber, 28, and Sophie Buttercup Rocheleau, 24, also had their no contest pleas set aside. There were accused of beating Anderson-Jordet during the altercation.
Rocheleau had plead to a misdemeanor battery charge while Stoiber plead to a charge of assault likely to produce bodily harm.

News Channel 3 - Judge did not accept plea deals in the Ferrer case Juan Ferrer is the man who plead guilty to fatally stabbing 50 year old Douglas Anderson-Jordet in the heart in downtown Arcata.

Ferrer will appear in court again for a preliminary hearing on May 28th.

We have reporter in the courtroom. We'll have more details as they become available.
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Plea deals tossed in Arcata fatal stabbing case; Judge: Decision made to keep 'public's confidence in the justice system' - Will Houston/The Times-Standard
A Humboldt County superior court judge on Thursday rejected the plea deals of three Arcata residents charged in the Nov. 25 fatal stabbing of chef Douglas Anderson-Jordet, saying she did “not believe justice would be served.”

Judge Joyce Hinrichs said she would be acting as both the “judge and the jury” by moving forward with their sentencings.

”It would undermine the public's confidence in the justice system,” Hinrichs said. “To not set aside the pleas erodes the public's confidence.”

...District Attorney Paul Gallegos argued that Hinrichs' statement of acting as both the judge and the jury should not apply to this case.

”What the court has is the inherent power to accept or reject the plea deal,” Gallegos said.

Hinrichs said her ruling might have been different if she had been able to review all the documents. She noted that Gallegos' office brought her three inches of new documents to review right before the sentencing hearing.

...Though he supported the plea deal, Gallegos said he was “happy accepting the court's ruling.”

”I think the court's ruling results in a just resolution,” he said.
Judge Tosses Plea Deals In Arcata Stabbing Case - Jack Durham/Mad River Union (UPDATED at 8:27 a.m. April 4 with edits, additional information and photos.)
Hinrichs said she would take the blame for giving tentative approval to the plea deals last month. She said at the time, she hadn’t heard objections to the deals from the victim’s family. It wasn’t until after tentative approval of the plea deals last month that the family became publicly vocal about what they perceive as light sentences for the suspects.

“I didn’t ask enough questions,” said Hinrichs, who added that she should have paid closer attention to the state’s Victims Bill of Rights. “Hindsight is 20/20.” Hinrichs said that she doesn’t believe that “justice would be served” by allowing the plea deals to stand....

At today’s hearing, Hinrichs explained how she arrived at her decision, citing the various briefs and letters she had read. She then explained the reasons for her decision, which she said would be tentative until she had a chance to hear from the DA and the defense attorneys at the hearing. This left the door open for the attorneys to convince her to change her decision, but she was unpersuaded.

Gallegos, representing the People, had the first opportunity to respond, but he wasn’t present in the room. There was a short delay before Gallegos arrived. When he finally did, one of his assistants briefly whispered in his ear, presumably telling him what he had missed.

Gallegos, having missed the judge’s explanation of her decision, seemed somewhat confused by her rationale, which he hadn’t heard in its entirety. He said he would respect whatever decision to court made and said he thought that, in the end, justice would prevail.

“The true evidence will come out sooner or later,” Gallegos said.
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Prior posts on this case: Sophie Buttercup Rocheleau, Nicholas Benjamin Stoiber and Juan Joseph Ferrer, the three suspects in the Anderson-Jordet killing, who had accepted the plea deals that have now been tossed. HERE

What's next? Re-filing. A Preliminary Hearing. A trial or another set of plea deals.

Preliminary hearing set for May 28 at 8:30 a.m.

52 comments:

  1. Judge Hinrichs, threaded a challenging needle here. She threw out the ludicrous deals and, both implicitly and explicitly, kept politics out of the case. She took the blame herself rather than put it where it belonged on the elected DA and his incompetent, unprepared, untrained prosecutor who is now running for DA. The judge made it clear that Mr. Klein was not to grandstand, and muzzled Mr. Reavis when he mentioned politics. Your Honor, indeed. One person can make a difference. The County is lucky to have Judge Hinrichs.

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  2. Great post anon:901, I echo your comments.

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  3. Yes, this was actually a good day for our judicial system thanks to Mr. Klein and Judge Hinrichs! On a side note, Mr. Klein had been hospitalized prior to this court date and while Mr. John Chiv has attacked Mr. Klein's character on his blog over and over again and the latest falsehood, is John Chiv stating that "he was not really ill/faking it and could have asked the court for a continuance" this is just down right rude, and unprofessional of Mr. Chiv. I was there at the hospital and heard exactly what the doctors told Klein. For you to attack his character tells a lot about yours. Shame on you John Chiv. Shame on you!

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  4. Anonymous are you the same character who attacked John Chiv and wrote lies.

    It seems the Klein campaign likes to take a bit of truth, twist and personally attack when they are confronted with reality.

    I was also at the hearing yesterday and heard John Chiv talk with Arnie Klein's partner Kitty. And express concern for Arnie.

    I read the same post you did. John Chiv did not imply the above.

    You are someone close to Arnie or thinking you are helping him. While I am also posting anonymously, I am not attacking anyone. You just proved John Chiv's point that you would go after him.

    I was at that hearing. I saw and heard things differently. Had I not, I may have believed your lies.

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  5. actually, anon at 3:03, I am not writing lies about john chiv. AND this has nothing to do with"Klein campaign" as you are trying to frame it to be. To refresh your memory here is a cut and paste directly from John Chivs blog: "Arnie was sick according to the press release he sent out to select media; he used the wheelchair sometimes today. He could have requested a continuance from the Court to rest and get better and given that he represented the family, the Judge would have probably granted that request. Theatrics such as introducing himself as "Arnie Klein for the People; I mean the family" in a case and handing out pleadings that were not approved by the Judge to select press in a case where emotions are so high were tacky and highly inappropriate."

    Again, cut and paste portion directly from John Chiv's blog.

    As for his fiancé, she is duly offended and outraged by John Chiv's attack on Mr. Klein especially since Chiv tried to act like he was concerned.

    BTW, the family had travelled from out of state to be there so a continuance would have been a huge impact on them which Mr. Klein was trying to avoid.

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    1. Anonymous you make a good point about the family travelling out of town.

      You seem to know a lot about his campaign, his life and for some reason feel you can speak for him and his fiance.

      I will point out you are being very emotional in your response to me and you do not know me.

      You question my motives just as you question John Chiv. On this blog supporters react a lot. Not just you. This is the second or third comment where you are speaking for his fiance. If she spoke to John Chiv, she should speak offline with him.

      It appears that you are reading something into the above words that I and others do not see. Your defensiveness about the campaign remark also is very telling.

      I hope Mr. Klein feels better soon.

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  6. Guys, guys, guys!

    Several reports mention Arnie, and the fact that he was in a wheelchair, and was up at times passing out materials in the courtroom.

    NO ONE thinks he was faking it.

    EVERYONE is worried for him.

    DO NOT get sucked into the campaign vortex.

    Opinions are all over the map. Chiv has his. Others are writing to thank Arnie for standing up for the family. Others are saying he's lost their vote by grandstanding. It is the nature of things.

    He certainly knows all of these things, and knows, in fact, that this may HURT his campaign, not help it. But once he contracted with the family, the right thing to do is to stand by them, and represent their wishes in court, if it had come to that. EVEN IF he could have asked for a continuance, and even if it hurts him politically. Some things transcend politics, and some things, you come in even if you're in pain.

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  7. And, from Arnie's campaign pages:

    "Neither sickness nor illness will stop Arnie Klein from standing up from what is right in the pursuit of justice. He's resting up now and is expected to make a full recovery soon."

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  8. Anon @ 912. Thank you and rose for putting this back into perspective. Ultimately, this decision is a win for justice and our community.

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    1. Anonymous 10:08, this is 9:12. I thank you for reminding us that this decision is the focus.

      The community is engaged right now and that is a good thing.

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  9. I was there also and was proud of Judge Hindrichs for taking the blame. She took more than her share, but that shows her character. She is a strong and generous person. I was also proud of her for setting ground rules of civility from the very start.

    There was an enormous amount of documentation for her to pour through and the DA's office brought her three more inches for her to look at right before the hearing...that was not professional. The DA's office could have - and should have - got in all their evidence, mitigation statements, and documents to the Judge in a timely manner. Those that represented the accused: Conflict Office, Public Defender's office, and Ben Okin, who is a private lawyer, were all able to meet the deadline. It is not as if the issues in this case just came up and the People were caught flat footed not knowing that Mr. Klein had intended to fight the decision on behalf of the family. He gave plenty of notice to the People and to all parties.

    Again, this just shows that we need more and better staff (and someone who can attract and retain this staff) on the 4th floor (aka DA's office) This election is our great opportunity to make the necessary changes.

    It is no secret that I believe that Maggie Fleming is the best solution to our county's criminal justice woes. She would not have been late for court on such an important matter. Paul was and Elan was no where in sight.

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  10. Kathleen Bryson, you insist you do not want to go back to the DA's office and there is no wink wink deal with you supporting Maggie.

    Are you willing to state publically that if Maggie is elected, you will stay in private practice?

    I am far from a Paul fan but your personal dislike of both Paul and Elan and your theatrics in the courtroom are well known by those who work in the courthouse.

    Your comments would be appreciated but you are a biased party. Every campaign has a few of those. Sick of those comments too.

    Now please do not invite me to coffee, just lighten up and let the other three candidates: Elan, Allan and Arnie have their share of comments here.

    This blog is watchpaul, not watch Kathleen Bryson. Kathleen Bryson you are not running for DA so please let us hear about all the candidates.

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  11. This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

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  12. Some comments have been removed.

    The gist of the comments was, Kathleen was there, but was not asked to leave. Elan was there, in the front row, though Kathleen had not seen her - and two friends are still friends, as it should be.

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  13. Kathleen does not need to go back to the DA's Office, she has her own practice, as she has stated repeatedly, it would cost her money to go back.

    Which brings up another point - people should take the time to thank those who serve as Deputy DAs, they work long hard hours. They don't get paid for the extra hours. It's grueling work, especially when an office is understaffed.

    You heard in the Mad River Union debate, when the candidates actually started to TALK, that there is enormous pride in their work, and in the kind of work they do.

    Just take a moment and think about it.

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  14. Rose, when you removed the comments, you also removed Kathleen's one and only public apology to Elan.

    And her publically stating sort of about her private practice. You left up her comment in which she makes assertions that are untrue.

    So now except for people who saw those comments, Kathleen's inaccurate statements remain. If you deleted the rest, delete her comment above because that is Kathleen's take on it.

    My first response to her which led to her apology was factual and respectful.


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  15. Alas, I can't edit them w/Blogger's platform - if you guys want them restalled I can do that.

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  16. Kathleen Bryson (comment restored)4/07/2014 8:05 PM

    No, I did not see Elan. I retract the last part about Elan. I apologize to Elan as well. It was kind of a tense moment and I didn't thoroughly look around the room to see who was there and who was not. The place was packed.

    As for being asked to leave, I was not asked to leave. I was also not texting during the event. Initially, I texted my paralegal to let her know where I was so that she could rearrange my schedule. I had to leave as I had a late consultation. I did not realize this was going to happen at 4pm and then would take so long to start. Jason, the only bailiff that every cares if attorneys text in court, came up to be and gently told me not to text.

    John, did you see a sheriff escort me out? No, of course you didn't but yet you speculate on a blog because I have dared to suggest that your candidate, Elan, is not perfect. You are supposed to be a reporter. So, no, Kathleen Bryson was NOT escorted out, but left of her own freewill once they began setting dates for the preliminary hearing.

    I know this is "watchpaul" but now it is also "watchchris" "watcharnie" "watchelan" "watchallan" "watchmaggie"...well you get the idea.

    And no, I wasn't going to invite Anon 5:58 to coffee, but I would like to gently point out that Rose doesn't limit the number of comments....that means that if I comment, that doesn't preclude others from commenting. For instance, John Chiv, who is quite upfront about his support for Elan...was able to get his comment through cyberspace despite my comments regarding the DA's office's shortcomings.

    Interesting how no one has addressed my valid points regarding the 3 inches of paper that the DA brought to the court late. At some point, don't people get tired of shooting the messenger? It was Elan's case, did she help with the 3 inches of late materials for the court or had she taken herself off the case by then? Who knows. I just know that it was an insult to the family.

    Again, I am quite flattered that, because you cannot attack Maggie, you chose to attack me.

    As for the wink wink nudge nudge thing. I cannot afford to work for Maggie. I would love it if I could as I know that she could teach me a lot. As for being the worst defense counsel...well, my clients do not feel that way...nor does my bank balance.

    So, why don't you all "lighten up" June 3rd is just around the corner. Enjoy Spring!

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  17. John Chiv (comment restored)4/07/2014 8:06 PM

    Elan was in the first row last seat. Maybe you did not see her. I was in that row, so was Will Houston, Ryan Burns who saw her. As well as Kaleb Cockrum and Greg Alvinchrist sitting behind in the 2nd row speaking to her.

    You were in the 2nd row texting and I heard asked to leave at some point by the baliffs because of that. I do not if that is true or you just left because I was taking notes.

    It is hard to believe that at some point you did not notice Elan. Now that you know she was there and have 4 independent people who can verify that, among others, it is your choice how you want to rectify an inaccurate statement.

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  18. Kathleen Bryson, you insist you do not want to go back to the DA's office and there is no wink wink deal with you supporting Maggie.

    Are you willing to state publically that if Maggie is elected, you will stay in private practice?

    I am far from a Paul fan but your personal dislike of both Paul and Elan and your theatrics in the courtroom are well known by those who work in the courthouse.

    Your comments would be appreciated but you are a biased party. Every campaign has a few of those. Sick of those comments too.

    Now please do not invite me to coffee, just lighten up and let the other three candidates: Elan, Allan and Arnie have their share of comments here.

    This blog is watchpaul, not watch Kathleen Bryson. Kathleen Bryson you are not running for DA so please let us hear about all the candidates.

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  19. Kathleen Bryson (comment restored(4/07/2014 8:07 PM

    I was there also and was proud of Judge Hindrichs for taking the blame. She took more than her share, but that shows her character. She is a strong and generous person. I was also proud of her for setting ground rules of civility from the very start.

    There was an enormous amount of documentation for her to pour through and the DA's office brought her three more inches for her to look at right before the hearing...that was not professional. The DA's office could have - and should have - got in all their evidence, mitigation statements, and documents to the Judge in a timely manner. Those that represented the accused: Conflict Office, Public Defender's office, and Ben Okin, who is a private lawyer, were all able to meet the deadline. It is not as if the issues in this case just came up and the People were caught flat footed not knowing that Mr. Klein had intended to fight the decision on behalf of the family. He gave plenty of notice to the People and to all parties.

    Again, this just shows that we need more and better staff (and someone who can attract and retain this staff) on the 4th floor (aka DA's office) This election is our great opportunity to make the necessary changes.

    It is no secret that I believe that Maggie Fleming is the best solution to our county's criminal justice woes. She would not have been late for court on such an important matter. Paul was and Elan was no where in sight.

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  20. Kathleen Bryson (comment restored)4/07/2014 8:10 PM

    No, I did not see Elan. I retract the last part about Elan. I apologize to Elan as well. It was kind of a tense moment and I didn't thoroughly look around the room to see who was there and who was not. The place was packed.

    As for being asked to leave, I was not asked to leave. I was also not texting during the event. Initially, I texted my paralegal to let her know where I was so that she could rearrange my schedule. I had to leave as I had a late consultation. I did not realize this was going to happen at 4pm and then would take so long to start. Jason, the only bailiff that every cares if attorneys text in court, came up to be and gently told me not to text.

    John, did you see a sheriff escort me out? No, of course you didn't but yet you speculate on a blog because I have dared to suggest that your candidate, Elan, is not perfect. You are supposed to be a reporter. So, no, Kathleen Bryson was NOT escorted out, but left of her own freewill once they began setting dates for the preliminary hearing.

    I know this is "watchpaul" but now it is also "watchchris" "watcharnie" "watchelan" "watchallan" "watchmaggie"...well you get the idea.

    And no, I wasn't going to invite Anon 5:58 to coffee, but I would like to gently point out that Rose doesn't limit the number of comments....that means that if I comment, that doesn't preclude others from commenting. For instance, John Chiv, who is quite upfront about his support for Elan...was able to get his comment through cyberspace despite my comments regarding the DA's office's shortcomings.

    Interesting how no one has addressed my valid points regarding the 3 inches of paper that the DA brought to the court late. At some point, don't people get tired of shooting the messenger? It was Elan's case, did she help with the 3 inches of late materials for the court or had she taken herself off the case by then? Who knows. I just know that it was an insult to the family.

    Again, I am quite flattered that, because you cannot attack Maggie, you chose to attack me.

    As for the wink wink nudge nudge thing. I cannot afford to work for Maggie. I would love it if I could as I know that she could teach me a lot. As for being the worst defense counsel...well, my clients do not feel that way...nor does my bank balance.

    So, why don't you all "lighten up" June 3rd is just around the corner. Enjoy Spring!

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  21. John Chiv (comment restored)4/07/2014 8:11 PM

    Kathleen I did not speculate. I told you I heard you were asked to leave and did not know whether this is true or not.

    Good that you apologized to Elan. You want to attack me and the other 2 comments, Kathleen. You like to dish it out but you cant deal with attention you dont want.

    If you dont want to be called out, dont go commenting on every blog.

    What was inaccurate in my comments? You apologized for 1 fact. The other I asked you it was true or not.

    You have been personal with all your digs at Elan. You do have a personal issue with her.

    And before you deny that, remember you are quite vocal about your feelings in general and openly in the courthouse.

    Since you have now stated you will stay in private practice, that has been noted.

    Kathleen, you have a right to support and advocate for Maggie and the rest of us to support who we want.

    Difference is I am not interested in a job at the DAs office, I dont benefit from who is DA because I am not a lawyer. You and most of the anons commenting here are either lawyers or someone working in the legal profession and have a financial stake.

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  22. Kathleen Bryson (comment restored)4/07/2014 8:11 PM

    John, down boy!

    I was never asked to leave. I do not know where you heard that. Jason simply asked me not to text. He has done this before. As I said, he is the only bailiff that keeps attorneys from texting in court.

    As for financial stake, you know better than anyone that I have only prospered from being at odds with our current DA. I do not expect my earnings to suffer no matter who gets into office. To try and connect my support of Maggie to some sort of monetary benefit is unfounded and a bit nasty. It is beneath you.

    I just want Maggie because I am a wife, a mother, a sister, a neighbor, a colleague, and a friend in this county. I want to be safe. Only Maggie can even to begin to bring us that. Again, I think Elan has done really well for the short time she has been a lawyer. I have complimented her numerous times that she really has a lot of potential as a deputy DA.

    If you are a reporter, and right now most of them (please correct me if I am wrong) have NOT endorsed anyone, then what do YOU have to gain from supporting Elan? It is a fair question as the media is supposed to maintain at least some semblance of objectivity to their reporting. Yet, you have chosen to go postal on me defending Elan on Rose's poor and long suffering blog. Why not just send me awful text messages like you used to?

    Please consider NOT responding to this on Rose's blog as it is not fair to the rest of Humboldt. (-: Of course, we do have the 1st Amendment so I am sure you will do whatever you feel like despite what I say.

    Try taking deep breaths...it may help.

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    1. Kathleen, you responded on this blig so for 1 last time I will. Easy for you to distract from the issue. I already addressed tge issue I nevercsaid yku were escorted out.

      No one questions my objectivity not even my peers except you, Maggie supporters. You know why because the the tactics of your campaigns are turning off voters.

      As for the anon who thinks I got a smackdown, cowards who anonymousy take digs do not matter because you have no guts.

      Kathleen you have prospered. The reasons for that are many and have nothing to with our DA.

      You can insist, others can insist they do not have a financial stake but many lawyers including you have a direct benefit. People who work daily in the courthouse know.

      People anonymously or not can attack me all they want. They wohld not if I was not having an impact.


      And instead of Rose's blog not one of you comment on mine. This last comment is not to Kathleen but to the rest.

      So Kathleen if you want to take it offline, you see me regularly in the courthouse. Take it up there.

      As for the rest of you unless you were present at the hearing or can comment in the topic, and do it in your name all you are is trolls using this post on a blog trying to get out information.

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  23. Now the comments are up multiple times. Redundant. Who cares? At the end of the day, we need a new leader. We will get one in January 2015.

    Rose, thanks for all your efforts to keep things clean. Deputy DAs work hard alright. No pay on weekends even though I used to, and I know others as well do now, work every weekend. I still do.

    But let's give props to Rose. Blog Administrators also work hard. Enjoy life, people. It is too short.

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  24. Nice, Chiv gets the smack down!

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  25. http://madriverunion.com/letters-victims-family-and-friends-plead-for-justice/

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  26. I think Kathleen should get some props as well. you handled this whole situation with class. I have new found respect for Kathleen.

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  27. Not me. ..Kathleen stop hijacking this blog and start taking your meds. This is getting old and tiring. You are an official rep for Fleming which raises major red flags regarding her lack of judgment.

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  28. Typos aside shouldn't type on a smart phone. By campaigns, I meant Maggie and Arnie supporters.

    From now on unless there are inaccuracies, I am done responding to people who cannot debate civilly or on a topic they have knowledge of and just want to distract. Thank you Rose for restoring comments.

    To Kathleen, while any one can attend open court, you seem to be coming to a lot of Elan's cases, sometimes when you are not scheduled in that courtroom. Why is that? You have stated that Elan does not have sufficient experience. So is it campaign related or to take tips from a lawyer who is good?

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  29. "No one questions my objectivity". Dream on.

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  30. And chiv is a paid supporter of Ferpo, so why again does he get to claim objectivity? He is not. Stop calling the kettle black, chiv.

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  31. At what point do you realize that you are sounding like a broken record and no one cares. Obviously no one cares that you don't respect anons, no one cares that you incessantly answer anons that you insist are trolls, no one cares, thats why you have to post to Roses blog. IF you want to be heard go get your own blog, Chiv. Oh thats right you have one but, no one cares. Why do you think you have some political and moral high ground? Arn't you tired of your own voice yet, we are tired of your incessant cry of victimization and righteousness.

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  32. John, you say to take it off line but yet you persist.

    You say that I have been coming to a lot of Elan's cases. People v Ferrer is not Elan's case anymore and half of the county was there.

    And yes, I was in Bohdi Tree for about two seconds until I realized that it could not proceed as Elan was not in the courtroom. I also had other stuff to do. As you say, I have prospered not just because of who our DA is.

    Actually, I was also going to Heidi Holmquist and Casey Russo's case. They are defending Tree. And yes, I did want tips from lawyers that are good. Casey and Heidi are two of the best. I do not need to learn how to prosecute as I am not a prosecutor.

    Have a wonderful day all...I am off to "take my meds" now. Or no, to look after my very large caseload. Take care everyone.

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  33. Actually, Chiv's blog traffic would surprise you,

    And, people generally don't comment when they agree, they do comment when they disagree or want to take you to task.

    The true heart of a reporter is the curiosity, and the proverbial shoe leather, working, to be there, to get the story, to follow up, to ask questions, and to report out. It is irrelevant whether one is paid.

    Kathleen's business has taken off, and she has shown that she is able to hunt her own food. That's a good thing. It's highly unlikely that anyone who has left the DA's Office will ever go back.

    NOW - can't we all just get along? :)

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  34. To the 3 anons if you commented on my blog, I would respond but I do not allow anonymous comments. Not that it stops some of you.

    Don't throw out assertions you cannot support. Lot of people are and were paid on campaigns. So why aren't you questioning what they get paid to do? So unless you can prove I was paid to blog, unless you are willing to sign your name, unless you are willing to have what you say stand up in court and then have me possibly sue you for libel, what you say does not matter.

    You are powerless, miserable people who sit behind a screen but have accomplished nothing in your life and powerless. That is why you attack me or any other blogger.Easy to type, go out and a different thing to actually do something productive for others.

    Kathleen I responded to you. Told you to take it offline. yet you came back and when you state facts, I wont respond.

    In the courtroom yesterday were 2 court staff, 1 baliff, the judge, the attorneys and the defendant. Ryan, Lashay and me in the audience.

    Is that half the county?

    I did not realize you had such a such an interest in Casey Russo and Heidi Holmquist, and you just could not resist that dig on the prosecutor. I am sure that with the many cases Heidi and Casey have, this isn't your only opportunity to view them.

    As long as you spin the truth and spin it here, I will respond here. The more you comment Kathleen, the better. Gives me a chance to document these spins.


    Thanks Rose. Part of the reason I asked you to restore these comments is that tiring as they are, they show a pattern. And hats of to you for keeping this informative blog despite the aggravation some people cause.

    People afraid of the truth are always in the shadows, and when exposed, they attack the messenger.

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  35. FYI Kathleen I was referring to Bodhi Tree, not Ferrer. That is where you slipped. Yes, Ferrer is not Elan's case now.

    By stating you came to see Casey and Heidi, they are not involved in the Ferrer case but they are in the Tree case.

    So that is where I listed who was in the audience.

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  36. OMG, John. I did not slip. I was talking about Bohdi Tree the other day. I stepped in for a few minutes and nothing was happening as Elan had stepped out.

    Did you even read my comment above? I think it is clear that I was discussing Bohdi Tree - represented by Heidi and Casey.

    You just keep attacking me..."let's take it offline" then you suggest that I am going to see Bohdi Tree because of political reasons and wanting to see a good attorney...I believe you were referring to Elan.

    Why can't I just step into a courtroom to watch my colleagues without having to account for my time to you? It is where I work. I am a trial attorney. Honestly, you need to get some sleep or take some time off or something. Stop hassling me.

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  37. Kathleen, take your own advice and get some sleep. Read my responses and your own comments again when you are rested.

    You do not own cyber space or public space and you do not get to tell me what to do.

    I told you that if you make factual comments and stop responding here then I will have no need to respond to you here or anywhere else.

    You do not have to account for your time to me; just be factual and be honest about your own motivations to yourself.

    Maggie and I are fine. We talk and despite the behavior of certain of her supporters, I will continue to talk to her.

    Take a page out of the book from the candidate you are supporting. She is most gracious.

    Just because someone, anyone is supporting a candidate, that is their choice. That is who they think is best.

    Somehow we have lost focus of that and digressed.

    So Kathleen, cease fire on the comments here, if not for me, out of respect for Rose.

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  38. John's pretty funny when his panties get bunched up. Someday we'll have to tell him how powerless and unaccomplished we all are . . . . .

    No one wants the Mozilla treatment, Mr. Chiv. Mr. Eich said what Obama and Hillary said, but he got the ax. So, lots of people just sigh when you and Rose blog on about the cowardice of anons. Tell it to Eich. He's got a few billion to fall back on. Some folks don't.

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  39. Kathleen, John Chiv has nothing better to do with his time than sit in the courtroom all day acting like he has a role. John is desperately trying to find someone to invite him to the party. Meanwhile, he's found an opportunity by playing silly political games.

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    1. To all the anonymous commenters above: what is actually funny is all of you who do not know Kathleen or John Chiv giving opinions that are unrelated to the topic of this post.

      If you are going to blog all day at least be funny. Your whining obsession is boring.

      If you were on LOCO, you would have not lasted past 1 comment.






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    2. Actually 9:12 some of the anonymous comments sound like candidate supporters or lawyers or someone that John Chiv pissed off on his blog.

      These are so obviously the same person or people. It is funny that they spend so much time on someone they dislike.

      I disagree with you. They are amusing because they keep trying over and over getting the same result.

      Rose, can we have popcorn with this sideshow?



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  40. thats hilarious! Its funny how you say the people that dont like him must not know him. Did you ever think these actually might be people that do know him and really don't like his weasel ways. Oh thats right I forgot this is a conservative bog, which means, you have no grasp on what reality looks like. Party on you little busy bodies.

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  41. Rose & Chiv are both unemployed, right?

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  42. Anonymous until you state your names, you can type all you want. Your opinion means nothing because there are many people in this county and every one has an opinion about someone else. Does not mean it is true.

    It is hilarious that you keep commenting and proving that you are one obsessed joke.

    I don't know about Rose but Chiv is employed, not that either of them owe some anon answers.

    State your name but you won't because you are a coward and you know your opinion is not that of everyone else.

    What do you both anons do, especially 6:46, because it seems your full-time job is monitoring this blog and hating conservatives.

    Seems to me like the Salzman, Neely, Heraldo crowd has no facts, no answers and there is no traffic on proggie blogs so you morons live here.

    I am a conservative and I am sick of you shady cowards trying to control speech.


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    1. Thanks Anonymous!

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  43. All of the anonymous comments that are going on and on about personal stuff have nothing to do with the Ferrer case.

    Sad lot you are.

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  44. More info is being uncovered regarding People v Ferrer. Apparently, Ms. Firpo never referred the victim's family to Victim Witness. According to Paul G., this is an offense that should get you fired. However, Elan still has a job. Why? Well, you cannot fire the person who you are endorsing and is running because you can't. Elan is Paul's chance to have someone running the office who he can influence.
    So, all you Firpo fans, how do you talk your way out of her NOT doing her basic job to get the victim's family to Victim Witness?

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  45. An anonymous allegation is worthless so stop beating the same dead horse.

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  46. So too is an ANON trying to distract by talking about harming horses.

    Facts are facts. Some of us have to be anonymous as our jobs are at stake and Paul G. is known for both surfing and vindictiveness. Elan, his protégé, is no better. Imagine never introducing the victim's family to the resources available to them aka Victim Witness. It is standard operating procedure to do this on every violent crime...especially murder.

    You want her to be our next DA...? Maybe in a decade or so when she has learned her job and has been a lawyer more than a few years.

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