Monday, July 27, 2009

Big money at the NEC

The NEC’s Subprime Mortgage
On Friday, Pete Nichols, chair of the nec’s board of directors, sounded pleased that the organization is moving past having to worry quite so much about balance sheets, asset management and foreclosure.

“We’re using this as the opportunity to get out of the real estate business, and back into conservation,” Nichols said.

...The Northcoast Environmental Center borrowed a total of $550,000 to finance its purchase of the G Street office...$50,000 from Don and Andrea Tuttle, $100,000 from Felicia Oldfather...four other families or individuals and one other nonprofit institution loaned the nec money for the G Street property. They are Bette and Milt Dobkin ($100,000), Duncan Ralph ($50,000), Bob and Mary Gearheart ($50,000), Steve Gompertz ($100,000) and the Redwood Region Audubon Society ($100,000)....The loans from Gompertz and the Audubon Society, which were packaged together in one note, were paid off in April of this year, upon the sale of one of the two lots that comprised the old nec offices at Ninth and I streets in Arcata. According to Martin Swett, nec treasurer, that note was partially secured by the property that was sold, and so had to be paid off in order for the sale to go through...

The nec still holds unencumbered title on one piece of property — the other downtown lot, which used to house half its headquarters. Though the site is badly polluted, Nichols said that the organization is very confident that it will soon secure grants to clean it up.


The NEC lost its way. It will not get it back. They've kept the wrecking crew in charge.

148 comments:

unanonymous said...

seems to me, borrowing that much money for an office, probably 4 times the size they need, is sign of an unsustainable business model. ha.

Anonymous said...

You didn't mention the amount of the unpaid balance, Rose, only that Gompertz and Redwood Region Audubon Society were paid back the $200,000 note that they loaned to NEC. You seem to be doing a lot of heavy breathing when it was Hank Sims that did the legwork - you just cut and pasted. The remaining property is worth the balance owed. Those that put up the money did so with their eyes open. Eventually all loans will be paid back and NEC will emerge stronger than ever, at which point, you can dip yourself in shit and set yourself on fire, then blog about how the NEC wrecking crew really chapped your ass. Or maybe Hank will and you can cut and paste that.

Anonymous said...

God,4:41 Rose really struck a cord with you. Hope your blood pressure doesn't blow. Great job Rose. Keep up the good work. The truth is that the NEC has turned into a bunch of ego/eco trippers that think their progressive ideology trumps all our liberty and personal rights.

Anonymous said...

"Struck a cord"

Uh huh. I'll bet a trough of shit and a Bic lighter that Rose thinks she did. Come on, Rose, do you want to be famous? Someone alert the media.

Rose said...

sigh. No, anonymous, I did not copy paste Hank's entire piece, merely a segment with a link to the full story for any and all to go and read in it's entirety.

I feel for the reasonable, rational members of the NEC who have been hornswoggled by the new age con men - Greg King and the former bartender turned "moneykeeper" Pete Nichols.

But not too much. The NEC has been cranking out the partisan hate longer than those two bozos have been around.. It's too bad, really.

Anonymous said...

I read both segment and link.

What did you say you feel for the members of NEC? Partisan hate? No surprise there. Guess they must have struck a nerve. Well, I hope they keep up the good work. I'm going to send them $1,000 with the stipulation that they take some soil samples in your yard to test for contamination, Rose. Hey! Maybe you should make a $2,000 donation. Seriously, your paranoia could be linked to ground water contamination or even off-gassing from a chemical spill. You do not seem to be able to make a distinction between what is reasonable and rational and what is hateful. Us liberals think that you have a personal right to receive help. We just don't think that you are sane enough to ask. But we are here to help you, any way we can. We think that you should have all the liberty that you can be trusted with - we can explain more after you have been evaluated in a clinical setting.

Anonymous said...

4:41 doesn't understand that Rose's piety on the subject of using another's material only applies to the DA, not herself.

Anonymous said...

Richard and Ken must be drinking again. You've really got them steamed Rose. Keep up the good work.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like typical RS bull shit, I'll give you a 1,ooo$ if you do this and that.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, keep patting yourself on the back, Rose. 'At a girl! You must have really struck a chord (clunk)! Keep hosin' 'em Rose! We're with ya Rose! You are us, Rose! What a con, Rose.

Stupidity has its own self-multiplying feed-back loop on this blog.

Rose said...

Funny, did I mention the moneygrubber?

Stephen said...

It does seem you've done it again, Rose. What a reaction from our local reactionary "liberals"!, Liberals, hah, that's a good one. What a crock of doo doo! People who consistently REACT to the economic development efforts of others to keep Humboldt County workers alive here are not liberals but reactionaries. Keep up the good work, Rose. When they yelp so vociferously and sling slander at you, you know you're right on the money!

Anonymous said...

"Did I mention the moneygrubber?"

No. Does he smoke pot?

Anonymous said...

8:42: 'all the liberty you can be trusted with'????? Who the fuck died and made you Grace Kelly???? Don't tell me it would be YOU deciding just how much liberty Rose is to have and how much liberty I am to have and how much liberty Kirk Girard and Bonnie Neely is to have, right?

Er,,,, are you Chris Kerrigan running off at the mouth again according to his great grandfather Adolph's NAZI schpeel? Or that fat genius Andy Bird?

Keep it up dude, it's coming to Glocks, AK 47's etc. and I'll just bet you could not hit the side of a barn. Move to frickin Siberia or better yet NORTH KOREA.

Rose said...

Wait - how did Kirk Girard, Bonnie Neely and Chris Kerrigan get in here? And Gallegos' AK-47s/err AR 15s I think they were?

And 4:41, I guess, is saying that it was OK for Gallegos to swipe another guy's essay, change a few passages, put his name on it, submit it as his "My Word" Op-Ed in the Times Standard, but not OK for me to post a link to an article. Big difference there 4:41, your sputtering in rage does not change the facts.

Gallegos is a horrible DA. You can't get around that.

The activists destroy everything they touch - the NEC is just the latest example.

Anonymous said...

NEC was created by activists, funded by activists, and will be saved by activists. What are you going on about? 4:41 never mentioned Gallegos. Reread it. You should get some sleep, Rose, because you have got yourself a reputation for being an incoherent lunatic. And take a bath - you stink.

Anonymous said...

"4:41 never mentioned Gallegos. Reread it."

Uh - that would be correct. IT WAS 9:02 that posted it. Interestingly enough, 9:02 is the same insane, drunken troll as 4:41.


I am so laughing my ass off at how you jerked this trolls chain Rose. Good job.

Rose said...

I hear it was an interesting meeting at the NEC last night. People calling for the Board to resign.(I have to compliment Pat Higgins for standing up for what's right in this case.) And a call for 'MoneyKeeper" Pete Nichols to step down - and accurate question of loyalties: if he's writing a grant, who does he write it for, "Baykeeper" or NEC? If he's doing a fundraiser, who is he doing it for "Baykeeper" or NEC? There's no question there.

NEC can probably be saved if they divest themselves from the wrecking crew. The new-age con-men.

Anonymous said...

Until the NEC refocuses, they will flounder and may even die. Good for the folks calling for Nichols to step down. He is nothing but trouble - an egotist who needs a haircut and some morals if you ask me.

Rose, I don't know but I smell that your troll maybe Andrew Bird. Just a hunch but I feel his peabrain lack of intellect present in those posts.

Rose said...

Whoever it is, he is looking for a fight.

Stephen said...

Speaking of which, I'm tired of being singled out for censorship of my comments by Heraldo. Is Kaitlin Scopoci-Belknap partners in the Humboldt Herald blog? If so, is she violating any public official rules prohibiting political actions by a County official under a false identity? Has anyone taken Kaitlin's statement about whether or not she and her partner are running "Heraldo"? Richard Salzman was the last public official using false identities to influence Humboldt County citizens. Seems to me if Kaitlin's doing similar acts, e.g. Heraldo's well-known antagonism against the Eureka Police Dept., she should either cop to it and stop it or provide proof she isn't involved.

Rose said...

I agree, Stephen, and Belknap is certainly suspect.

But Salzman has never been a Public Official - he is just the "kingmaker" of local politics.

Anonymous said...

No he is just an asshole who lies Rose. And not very smart to boot.

mresquan said...

"stop it or provide proof she isn't involved."

Well perhaps Virginia Bass is behind Humbugs.I'll assume so until she makes an official statement saying she is not.Am I being fair to her Stephen?

Rose said...

Heh. Has The Mirror been censoring comments about Bass? I'll have to check that out.

heraldo has consistently been censoring comments about Kaitlin and Cobb.

Anonymous said...

and from someone who reads all the blogs and seldom comments,M.R. esquan you are retarded.

mresquan said...

Heraldo can do whatever Heraldo wants on Heraldo's blog.You can do whatever you want on yours,Humbugs their's,Eric's his.......
If you or Stephen want to find out who heraldo is,then that's your business.Sorry to tell you but we don't live in the Matrix world you may desire us to,so Kaitlin,or whoever does not have to make sort of statement about who they are,what they are,what they're having for dinner,with whom they are eating it with.
If Heraldo is deleting comments,too bad,it's Heraldo's blog,and I'll become concerned about Heraldo when I find out that Heraldo is preventing someone from starting a blog which would contain those deleted comments.
Rose,you have every right to post them on yours,and I think that you do.

Anonymous said...

Say Belknap, Kaitlin, or Cobb, you can't, ha ha!

Because of Heraldo's comments filter, tra la.

"Its against the law!" You cry.

Right, good Christians never lie.

But, cry babies, cry boo hoo!

Anonymous said...

Somebody call for a waaambulance!

Anonymous said...

I think you nitwits ought to make a list of the 15 or 20 people you have accused of being Heraldo, narrow it down to the two or three most likely candidates, and go for it - I need a good laugh.

Anonymous said...

I think you hit a nerve. Good job, Rose! You've got them running scared! Keep the pressure on Heraldo/Kaitlin Scopoci-Belknap/Cobb/Salzman/Gallegos. They're in cahoots. They have probably committed a crime, most likely a felony. They might be armed, but, they're liberals, so, maybe not. But, they are deleting comments and that just isn't the American way, I mean, uh, this is a D E M O C R A C Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mresquan said...

Yes,indeed,Cobb and Salzman are in cahoots,yep,indeed.They really like one another.Please keep all running scared,please,especially if this is going to continually come out of this.The obsession in Heraldo's identity exposes a big weakness in those who differ from opinions expressed by Heraldo and those who agree generally with the issues raised over at the Humboldtherald blog.They seem unable to attack the message,so they retort to going after the messenger.

Anonymous said...

I know you are retarded M.R.- a poster said so -Cobb and Salzman see to dislike each other-so did Hillary and Obama-Sweetness and light(Katlin) can be part of her blog with no problem as long as she doesn't lie about it if asked in a public meeting- care to ask the question M.R. ? if you are so sure of your words

Anonymous said...

Huh?

Anonymous said...

I agree with mresquan.

Anonymous said...

katlin/cobb are driven radical zealots who believe America owes them. to read their blog is really painful. sad to see such potential go down the anti path. worse yet is the negitive tone they bring to the community

mresquan said...

anon said"(Katlin) can be part of her blog with no problem as long as she doesn't lie about it if asked in a public meeting- care to ask the question M.R. ? if you are so sure of your words."

Well for all I know Kaitlin just may be Heraldo.Why would I care to ask?That's your obsession,not mine.It doesn't matter to me one bit who H is,could be Rose or Stephen,or Rob Arkley.It doesn't matter to me one bit who runs the Humboldt Mirror blog.How many people do you see crying and fumbling about to find the identity of them.None.Why?Because it's smarter to attack the message then the messenger.

Stephen said...

Mresquan, you don't get it. A publicly elected official running a political blog under an alias is answerable to her constituents in Humboldt County. All we are asking is, give truth in office a chance and no more lies from people making governmental decisions for those who elected them.

Anonymous said...

Hey, I get it. I got it when you were making the same accusation concerning the D.A.. When you want to smear your political enemies, spread the rumor that they are Heraldo and what they are doing is probably illegal. Of coarse this kind of thing loses its effectiveness as time goes on, but don't let that stop you, it seems to be the best tactic you can come up with, and it is endlessly entertaining.

Rose said...

Are you kidding me? Someone thought Gallegos was Heraldo? How'd I miss that?

You don't need to take offense, Mark, it is the ultimate masquerade ball, and people will wonder who is behind the mask.

Why that always gets the people who do know who heraldo is jumping up and down and saying its his blog and he can do what he wants - an obvious statement under any circumstances - is beyond me.

I've said it before, heraldo has nothing to fear except that he/she/it/they are afraid that people will value his/her/its/their opinion less if they know who it is.

Ask Fred, Carol and Greg, Eric, Ernie, Dave, Kym, Joel, Jennifer, Jack and Cap - some of those pseudonyms, all known, and all happy bloggers with opinions. Nothing to fear.

Anonymous said...

These are the comments I've seen the Mirror censor: Acusations that a certain DA was a child molester, accusations that a certain fake blonde on the board of supervisors was a thief, and just yesterday there were accusations that a certain city attorney was a murderer. In every case, the comment remained in the thread but the offensive word or two was replaced with the word "moderated" or something to that effect. It appears that none of the three subjects of moderated comments share any political affinity with the Humbugs, and in fact two of them are among the top three targets of ridicule. In short, the moderation was overtly apolitical.

What's fascinating to me about your blog, Rose, is that it is frequented by a few people who are overtly mentally ill, who clearly hate women, who are so at odds with reality that they have begun to think it's informative and appropriate to gleefully relay their death wishes for you--while at the same time calling you delusional and obsessed.

It's hard to imagine what happened to their feedback loops, their sense of self, their shattered egos, but to watch you--literally--laugh them off day after day is among the greatest joys of my life.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

"In short, the moderation was overtly apolitical."

In short, the moderation was overtly political. The Humboldt Herald is overtly political. This blog is overtly political. Heraldo is anonymous and cannot be brought down by threats and intimidation. It amazes me that you only make accusations of mental illness in others after you have detected that they are your political opposite. You probably can't help yourself if your family has lived in the county for more than two generations. Inbreeding does not benefit the gene pool when its not accompanied by a merciless program that culls the ninnies and feebs your ancestors produced. Your strong sense of self righteousness bestowed upon you by your God, and your belief in Manifest Destiny, makes you see things differently than the rest of the population who haven't got your advantages. But if its alright with you, 10:24, this Johnny come lately will continue to speak his mind, anonymously. And often.

Thank you.

Rose said...

Wow! Thanks, 10:24 - and thanks for the tip. I'll check that out.

And Wow! 11:34, if you don't exemplify the "progressive" "heraldo" hate crowd... the ones who sneer at Fortuna all while trying to cultivate them and get them to go along with your program, since you so obviously know what is best for them with your obviously oh-so-superior out-of-town intellect. Very very interesting to see your "some pigs are more equal than others" attitude on full display. Incoherent as usual, but there on full display.

Rose said...

By the way - who is it locally who rants about "Manifest Destiny"? This guy ought to be easy to identify.

Anonymous said...

A clarification please. Is 11:34 saying that because Heraldo is anonymous and his blog is political it's appropriate for his followers to repeatedly threaten Rose and tell her to go kill herself? Is that, in fact, their manifest destiny? Because it seems to this observer that in any situation, on any level, their comfort with violent fantasy is suggestive of untreated psychosis.

mresquan said...

Rose said,"Very very interesting to see your "some pigs are more equal than others" attitude on full display"

Well according to you,those behind the Humboldt Mirror deserve their personal privacy,being a blog which regularly attacks Bonnie Neely and Mark Lovelace.Yet whomever is the HumboldtHerald deserves none of that personal privacy because that blog attacks figures aligned with your idealogy.

Rose said,"I've said it before, heraldo has nothing to fear except that he/she/it/they are afraid that people will value his/her/its/their opinion less if they know who it is."

Is that true for Humbugs as well?If you are going to call out Heraldo,why not call out Humbugs as well?

Anonymous said...

Nobody told Rose to kill herself on this thread. She was told that she could dip herself in shit and set herself on fire and then complain how the NEC wrecking crew really chapped her ass. I was speaking to her flagrant lack of honesty. There is nothing remotely hateful in that remark and it does not reveal any wish for Rose to kill herself. Nor does it point to anybody's hate for women. Rose does not represent, in anyway, anything that is attractive that you could pin on gender - breed maybe, but not gender. Seems like you all need a good reason to be pissed off. Let me know if I can do anything to help you. I hate to see you get all sniffy for no good reason. It just seems so contrived. Or, its just shit to be you.

Rose, I have never ranted about manifest destiny, so don't be sending your mob of idiots after anybody. Christ! You fucking moron.

Anonymous said...

Again, I agree with mresquan.

Rose said...

Goes without saying, mresquan, applies to both.

It's an interesting exercise trying to get inside the heads of those who feel the need to defend - what does it matter if people know who heraldo is? Other than then those who he/she/it/they maligns might at least know their accuser.

Who knows, perhaps he would have MORE credibility if his name were known.

Then again...

Baykeeper Booty-Basher said...

2:11 - I now know why your wife divorced you. What kind of demented idiot are you? I mean its one thing to be just stupid, but really, why you have unzipped your fly and exposed your lack of genitals to the internet is really cutting of your nuts to spite your face.

So there is nothing hateful about telling our dear Rose that "she could dip herself in shit and set herself on fire" or that she is a "fucking moron?"

Really?

How very enlightening.

Keep it up Rose, this troll is on total meltdown.

Anonymous said...

The Humboldt Herald has way more credibility than watchpaul. Its touching that you take the time to make suggestions that might give Heraldo even more credibility, though. I'm afraid that I have to say that I don't agree with you because anonymity is what makes Heraldo so darn effective. I'm not saying that is the only reason - far from it. His posts attract a lot of attention because of his keen knowledge of the subject matter and the fact that he is just so damn good looking. The man is blessed. On the other hand he will always have enemies that resort to sordid tactics to try to draw attention to themselves. These people barely deserve mention. They try to get by on no talent and a name. Such is life.

Anonymous said...

2:11, I understand your frustration at learning that some members of Rose's mob of idiots are in fact demonstrably more intelligent than you and, as such, are perfectly capable of recognizing misogyny, obsessive hatred, violent ideation and other clinical expressions of mental disorder with or without your concurrence. That you could repeat your death wish for Rose and still not recognize it as such is only further evidence of your malignity. Perhaps you think yours are the witty remarks of a bon vivant. But outside your own misshapen frame of reference, whatever cleverness may be associated with telling a wife and mother to burn herself to death because you disagree with her politics is far outweighed by the obvious derangement such a statement requires.

Stephen said...

"The Humboldt Herald has way more credibility than watchpaul."

Somebody actually posted this farce when Heraldo routinely censors commenters who offer differing opinions than the Progressive vapoids? No censor I've ever seen has "credibility" when they can't face criticism.

Rose, you're miles above these Meet the Feebles trolls gunning for you so just let their rants and ravings float on up to the heavens along with other obnoxious gases.

Anonymous said...

Rose is a wife and mother? Well that makes all the difference in the world doesn't it? Jesus, Rose, please accept my most heartfelt apologies. And if you have gone and burned yourself to death then I guess I have to take responsibility. I didn't mean for my clinical expressions of mental disorder to be taken seriously so I hope you haven't fried your ass to a crisp, but if you have, please put some ice on that. Get your cultivated friend to make you a bologna sandwich and bon vivant yourselves straight to Heaven. Stephen knows a shortcut - and he has medicine.

Anonymous said...

It is my understanding that Heraldo censors raving lunatics that repeat the same old tired dogma over and over. He does this as a public service. Rose' and Stephens' paranoid musings get live trapped regularly only to be released at Rose's where they pee on the carpet and generally make a mess of her house.

Anonymous said...

11:34,my family has lived in this region for a thousand generations and I take exception to you and what you said about Rose. I will pray for you but if I catch you at the river you better waych your foul mouth.

Anonymous said...

Hey Rose, just wanted to say Hi and also sya I am so glad to see you are still carrying on for the good of the people. Ypu are an inspiration and totally to good to chat with some of the folks that post.
Keep it up!
D.

Anonymous said...

Rose's friends seem to have no problem expressing their anger as they reveal their own violent ideation. Perhaps Stephen will pray for us all. What do you think, Stephen? Is this not a good time for us all to receive a gnostic intervention?

Stephen said...

Gnosis tells me that Rose sparks venomous comments because she exposes truths they don't want to face, e.g. money grubbing politically motivated "environmentalists" who are using scare tactics to profit financially.

And as for Heraldo censorship, all censors and their apologists give their reasons for stopping free debate that they don't want to answer to--for fear of exposing the undemocratic mores of "Progressives". It has to be in quotes because it's an oxymoronic name used by reactionary pols.

Anonymous said...

Gnosis told you all that? Are you getting the Good News on your AM radio, Stephen? Rose embroiders on 'the truth' until 'the truth' begins to resemble a politically motivated acid trip through the Valley of Death, and like Moses, you and she wander aimlessly through that desert of facts, creating the landscape as you go.

Really Stephen, I was hoping for something more prayerful from you, that touched on redemption in an even-handed sort of way. Maybe you are just too much a political animal to share the Good News. Yet I hunger for the loaves and fishes of true gnosis. Guess I will have to go find it somewhere else.

Sneaky Pete said...

Ken?

Anonymous said...

I am so laughing my ass off at all of this. Rose, you clearly got them rattled. Keep it up, it is amusing to watch this troll melt down.

Anonymous said...

Oops! Here's a hanky. Yeah, you've got something green hanging there.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it fascinating how anyone who questions the Democracy Unlimited cultists and their varied money-making deceiptful scams are always attacked (and often by name) by the same terms again and again, namely as paranoid, mentally ill and obsessed.

If Kaitlin is using an anonymous blog front group (one of her obvious talents is setting up front groups after all) to push her political agenda for the Water Board and Hum IBA and whatever else...well, it's not necessarily illegal, but it is certainly a political issue just as worthy of discussion as Salzman's fake letters against the Repugs or Warford's death threats against Hoover or Rob Arkley's penchant for drunken buffonery or any number of other issues where the NC Journal and other mainline liberals have taken note.

In other words, if you want to hold everyone else to some semblance of decorum in their public discourse, then it applies to DUHC-worshipping fanatics like Heraldo and Esquan too.

Keep holding their feet to the fire Rose, their crude and disgusting (not to mention dehumanizing) attacks on you prove how close to home your points are...after all, Heraldo's automatic censorship of the Cobb-Kaitlin-Belknap words speak loudly as facts irregardless of their pathetic attempts to spin their atrocious behavior out of the public light.

Anonymous said...

You people ride your suppositions like a magic carpet. Its all smoke and illusion. You never have anything to hang your harangue to. Its always 'if Kaitlin did this, then she must be guilty of this, that, or the other thing', but you never have any proof. Heraldo's automatic censor makes you even more goofy. What makes you think you have anything worth talking about? You can't substantiate any of your paranoid claims, yet, all you want to do is make accusations and pile on more accusations and pretend that they're real. What the fuck? Why don't you idiots go chase some UFO's and blog about that? Who knows, with some effort you might find a real boogie-man. Who'd care if you lied about it if you didn't. But that is the point, isn't it? You feel empowered by the rumors you start about people you don't like. It really is shit to be you. Of coarse, the fact that I protest is all the proof you need to think you are on the right track.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe in UFOs. But I do believe Kaitlin is corrupt and is using the Heraldo hate blog as a front for her deceiptful activities.

Censorship doesn't prove anything when even the word "Kaitlin" gets comments auto-bounced? This makes THEM look loopy for being so defensive, and is hardly proof that those of us suspicious of that hate blog are delusional when it's actually a proof of our point.

Anonymous said...

You have a very low threshold for what you accept as proof. Censorship doesn't prove anything. It is just a tool that is being used to keep every thread from being hijacked by conspiracy addicts. I see very little evidence of hate on the Humboldt Herald blog because hateful comments get censored. That you claim to see it baffles me.

Stephen said...

I don't post hate comments yet I am always censored on Heraldo's blog. Unless you are saying any criticism of Heraldo or Heraldo's political agenda constitutes "hate" you people condoning false identities by public officials are really off the wall ethically. If Kaitlin isn't running an anti-this and that political blog under the "Heraldo" alias, then there's no problem. But if she is, then she's committing identity fraud, just like Richard Salzman only worse because she is a publicly elected official and answerable to her constituents.

Rose said...

It's interesting - none of the "censored by heraldo" comments that keep getting sent to me have been hateful. Quite the contrary - they have been respectful disagreements. Or questions.

Anyway, you're making too much out of the parlor game anonymous. Relax, man.

mresquan said...

Rose,are they being sent to through some sort of filter?Beginning to wonder if these censored by heraldo comments actually ever make it on to his blog to be censored in the first place.
And why should I feel sorry for someone crying about being censored over there when the commenter won't do their own work and start their own blog.I'm sure Rose or Stephen would have no problem helping with that.Why should one have pity for you for being censored on heraldo's blog when you continually censor yourself?

Anonymous said...

"Its interesting - none of the "censored by heraldo" comments that keep getting sent to me have been hateful."

Nope, and the Humboldt Herald is not a hate blog. But the comments censored by Heraldo are often about the 'Kaitlin running a political blog under the Heraldo alias' conspiracy. I guess if those comments are censored it can only mean one thing or another. You have a conspiracy, or, you have a conspiracy theory. My opinion is that you have got the theory and you are using it as propaganda against people you don't like and pretending that its just a harmless parlor game.

That is hateful.

Rose said...

What's the phrase? Occam's razor?

Whatever.

Anonymous said...

Wait. The herald is not a hate blog?

Anonymous said...

3:07 said censorship doesn't mean anything. Wow! I thought that was cobberaldo/radical left's number one freak out. As usual with these phony protectors of the universe your censorship isn't as relivent as theirs. Thanks Katlin.

Anonymous said...

Occam's razor effectively clears the table of any moral arguments I could make. Stephen, did you leave all your morality in Israel? Speak up, gnostic one.

Rose said...

Oh, knock it off.

Anonymous said...

Funny how when it's Heraldo running disinfo campaigns against Kaitlin's political opponents (like when they slammed her Water Board foe for opposing corporate student loan sharks) or reprinting her silly self-serving press releases, it's not propaganda...but any questioning of any of the above, then it's auto-labeled 'crackpot' 'paranoid' and various other adjectives designed to deflect from the facts.

Fact is, Heraldo is a front for the DUHC agenda, never disagrees with said agenda, and coordinates hateful attacks against anyone questioning this agenda.

Is this illegal, or fattening, or any way relating to UFOs? No. But it is immoral, and it is something we will continue to expose no matter how much it pisses off Konkler and the rest of the Cobb toadies.

mresquan said...

It makes me laugh,I love the distraction the obsession creates,and it amuses me that the claim that heraldo is Kaitlin,or anyone from DUHC doesn't make it past this blog as no one will publicly make the claim.Maybe it will be the topic of choice on tonight's Humboldt Sentinel Nightwire.Not holding my breath.

Anonymous said...

Rose already publicly questioned why 'Cobb' and 'Belknap' get the automatic censorship treatment on the Heraldo hate blog...so WRONG AGAIN MARK KONKLER!

And for ol' esquan here to call anyone else obsessed when his single obsession here on SOMEBODY ELSE'S BLOG is to defend each and every slimy moneygrubbing thing Cobb or his brood ever does...well, we don't need to see the paycheck to know who's buttering who's bread here.

mresquan said...

Yeah,I guess it's true that technically a blog is public enough.Regardless,Rose has never claimed outright who heraldo is,like you said,she only questioned the censorship.So I'll enjoy for myself a fine weekend away while you meddle away and obsess over Kaitlin,Cobb,and heraldo's identity.Have fun.

Anonymous said...

Funny thing is, Kaitlin could deny running a political blog under the Heraldo alias and you conspiracy nuts would just continue to use her for a fire hydrant. Heraldo is anonymous and censors your conspiracy rants which leaves you pissing in your own nests. Ain't that right, Stephen? Rose?

Stephen said...

Nope. Conspiracy nuts? Try democracy nuts instead. Just like with Richard Salzman, some of us really don't want our Humboldt County taken over by these people who have no conscience for democratic principles, such as open and honest leadership. We don't need people in office who are using alias to promote their own political agendas under false identities.

Rose said...

Oh, give me a break, nobody is using Kaitlin as a fire hydrant. Unless, well, never mind.

But listening to her husband's propaganda hour on KHSU is pretty interesting - he has free rein to use public airwaves, publicly paid for airwaves to pump his agenda - and bring on all his buddies as guest, pretending he has never heard of them, asking all the questions they want to answer - Pete the "Moneygrubber" Nichols last night saying the "Listening Tour" went great - not reporting that people told him he should step down from the NEC... then lo and behold, Chris Ralls, Green Wheels/HealthyHumboldt/HumboldtWatershedCouncil pumping - surprise, wait for it - infill.... don't ya love it when people like that want to tell you how to live?

I'm sur eit all sounds nice when they are sitting around cooking up how nice it would be if they run the world, but it's BS through and through.

Anonymous said...

You know what's even funnier?

Kaitlin doesn't deny involvement in the Heraldo hate blog. Neither does Cobb.

It's not an admission...but the silence is telling.

Stephen said...

Rose and I are going to visit her office and get a statement on record from her to that effect if it's true and then we are going to the news people and see if her statement is of interest to them as political news. It certainly is of interest to us if she is running Heraldo while making decisions effecting the community in her publicly elected job.

Anonymous said...

She doesn't have an 'office' Stephen. The World Headquarters of Democracy Unlimited, HumIBA, Humboldt Green Party, Humboldt Community Currency Project, Humboldt Exchange, and California Center for Community Democracy are all at David and Kaitlin's HOUSE (in blatant violation of their single-family residential zoning there on 14th St)...

Anonymous said...

That is an excellent idea Stephen! Are you then going to issue a public apology to Kaitlin? I mean, once Kaitlin has disabused you and Rose of your conspiracy theory will you apologize to her and then come back and admit you were wrong? It would be the right thing to do because a lot of people have gotten the wrong notion.

Stephen said...

Apologize for what? We can't ask publicly elected officials to confirm or deny persistent rumors about their activities that might impinge of the public trust? No, all Kaitlin has to do is answer the question one way or the other or refuse to answer. No one's bringing a rope (yet), just us amiable Humboldt homies wanting to some answers to why anyone in elected office would have need of running a very politically slanted blog anonymously.

Anonymous said...

Well I should hope you are not bringing a rope! I know that you won't have to stoop to threats to get Kaitlin to answer your questions, but after she does answer, you and Rose will need to apologize to her for spreading your scandalous conspiracy theory that was calculated to destroy her reputation in the first place. You will also owe Heraldo an apology, and you will need to set the record straight by posting a retraction on Rose's and Heraldo's blogs. You need to undo the damage you have caused. You do understand that you risk your own reputations if you fail to follow through, don't you?

Stephen said...

You seem to be assuming anyone associated with "Heraldo" is a terrible thing. I would agree but then I find much to fault with the political agenda of "Heraldo". One would think Progressives would want to be associated with "Heraldo". So, what is it? "Heraldo" is slime to be associated with, poor Belknap and Cobb, or a good thing, luck Belknap and Cobb? You can't have it both ways.

And, really, Kaitlin's a public figure and neither I or anyone in Humboldt County is obliged to not be curious about the rumors that have been circulating for weeks now about Scopoci-Belknap's role in running "Heraldo". Public figures do not need protection from criticism, folks. No, not in a real democracy.

You know, all this is about democracy, don't you? This isn't the first time Cobb and Belknap have supported the squelching of democratic rights of Humboldt individuals. The more you protest my questioning of a linkage between Belknap and "Heraldo", the more you come across as harassers of democratic rights.

And, oh, the rope? I figure give her enough to her and those supporting false identity political pressure groups, and they will do the job, so no threat coming from here. You guys are doing fine all by yourselves.

Anonymous said...

Are you and Rose fixing to go back on your word? Are you going to visit Kaitlin's office or not? Your talk of democracy seems to be as baseless as your conspiracy theory. Starting false rumors and perpetuating them is not democracy - its propaganda. If you truly care about democracy then you have to question Kaitlin in person, preferably in the presence of reporters. Come on! Show me that you are as good as your words. Either follow through or quit blibbering on and on about a democracy that you only recognize when your people are in office.

Anonymous said...

7:18,know what he/she is talking about. It's the cobbkatlinDU model. Only problem is with their blinders on, vision is myopic as usual with them.

Stephen said...

Hey, anon 7:18, give us some time to coordinate our anti-Heraldo task force ninja commandos since we're spread out all over the world, each one on anti-democracy busting assignment. We'll get a statement from her soon enough. Should be no problem for her if she's unconnected to the big "H" blog.

Tulimam said...

Who wouldn't be proud to be associated with Heraldo?

Stephen said...

Just about anybody who values honest, open dialogue..

Anonymous said...

What we have he-ah, exquisite in form, is an example of what happens to a simple mind when it is bombarded relentlessly by propagandists. I point sympathetically to the post of 7:37 AM. Note what happens when a single thought is driven into a person's head. Dangerously, it rattled around and around as it threatened to crack the skull or knock out an eye ball. What we have he-ah, spread in a downward spatter pattern, is evidence of a fail-yah to commun-yah-cate.

Anonymous said...

Honest, open dialogue found daily at the Humboldt Herald. Sorry, all identifiable propaganda censored. Samples can be found at watchpaul on Rose's 'Comments Censored on The Herald?' page. Other samplings of propaganda can be found in watchpaul posts and comments.

Stephen said...

In other words, if a comment is critical of Heraldo's point of view it is deemed "propaganda". How convenient for anti-democracy advocates who have an urgent and tenacious need to stifle free and honest debate.

Really now, folks. Haven't we commented on this enough now? I mean, I know protecting Heraldo's identity from public scrutiny is high on some people's list but we shall have our answer soon enough from the group leader of the oxymoronic DUHC or Duhhhh..(kack).

Anonymous said...

I do not see everybody falling in line with Heraldo's point of view. He doesn't seem to have any patience for conspiracy or bashing. He gave you free rein to comment about NEC's current financial problems which you repeatedly defined as a problem with their leadership. For several days you blew, and blew, and blew; you were there for the long blow. Exhausted and drained, and satisfied - satisfied at last that the longblow had stopped, we got some rest.

Rose said...

Wha-a-a-t? 6:10? What are you talking about?

Of course it is a problem with the leadership. Everyone knows that.

Anonymous said...

Heraldo engaged in direct and unfounded bashing of Kaitlin's opponent for the Water Board for starters, even dredging up his student loans to use against him. If that's 'progressive' then count me an antiprog.

Anonymous said...

Bashed? Must have missed it. How were student loans used against him?

Oh Rose! The biggest problem that NEC has is with the economy. You never liked Greg King because of his involvement with forest activism in the first place, which happens to be Stephens problem, too. You never liked the NEC, either. I was not expecting any sympathy from you two because that would have been totally out of character. If the Humane Society is struggling right now because of the economy, why wouldn't the NEC. Talk about yer unfounded bashing. You and Stephen are relentless bashers of any and everything that are in opposition to your political agenda. I just don't know how you can froth at the mouth shouting 'new age con men' without spraying. It takes a special talent, I guess.

Anonymous said...

9:09 has a talent too. Farting out his mouth. It's really not that uncommon. All the pissy pants libs do it. Go to a baykeeper,NEC,EPIC,HCDCC,HWC,meeting and you'll have to wear a gas mask. So sad the economy is in the toilet can you sue me next year? ROTFLMAO!

Rose said...

Yeah, I get that that is the spin cooked up by Nichols and Co. I heard him on Cobb's propaganda hour spouting the new talking points and putting a happy face on the situation.

But nope, doesn't add up to reality for the NEC. It's called pre-dated.

The drop in charitable donations is a big - HUGE - factor for others and will also affect the NEC, doubling down on their problems.

The ironic thing is - Salzman and Co. sucked up alot of money out of this community, and the causes he promoted help KILL the businesses that paid the people who donated the money to help the places like NEC stay afloat.

And that is happening nationwide - the "progressive" machine kills businesses, kills healthy communities, the parasite kills the host.

All the shouting has come from one side. And they took it beyond shouting to trespassing, and more.

"My" side has been remarkably tolerant.

Casual Observer said...

What about cleaning up the other parced NEC owns on ninth street? It's been how many years since the fire and nothing's been done. If that was yours or my property the City of Arcata would be all over us to clean it up! And now they want other people's money (grants) to do the job. Some just get all the luck!

Rose said...

As I said, we're all equal, but some pigs are more equal than others.

The ORGs operate outside the system, they are untouchable sacred cows.

Why should they have to do what they want others to do - they're "grassroots" by God.

Anonymous said...

This is the first time I've heard that the progressive machine created the worldwide economic downturn. I hate it when they do that. Should have seen it coming when they invaded Wall Street and used all their charitable donations to lobby Congress to deregulate banking and rewrite trade protectionist laws. Those activists sent all those American corporations packing, or selling out to foreign interests. Then for a capper, they started rumors about man-made climate change, dying oceans, and energy shortages which drove up the price of gas. It was just so premeditated. I mean, if they would just get out of the way of the corporations we wouldn't be in this fix. Just show me one thing a prog has ever built and I'll show you thousands of Walmarts and 19% unemployment. There's your answer - no one can afford charity anymore. Your right, Miss Rose, your side should not have been so remarkably tolerant.

Anonymous said...

Miss Rose is going to have to start getting up earlier in the morning if she is wants to effectively fight the 'progressive machine'. Come on! The 'machine' has been up for hours destroying businesses and healthy communities all over the country. Christ! While she was sleeping we lost Kansas, Toto. Can't imagine why they invaded Kansas, unless they're rustling cattle. I suppose they will be stealing children next. Toto, your sleeping in the house tonight - we can't be too careful.

Anonymous said...

Oh, look Toto, a liberal!

Grrrrr!

Good boy, Toto!

Anonymous said...

Rose? Stephen? Don't you want to pet my dog, Toto? He is a highly trained hater of liberals and we never had him fixed. Come on!

Stephen said...

You yo-yos need to know something. You know how Richard Marks and the whole Evergreen Pulp mill people were made jobless? You know how that happened? Well, I and Sparky can tell you because we were dealing with Evergreen's CEO and VP when they first took over the old Samoa Pulp mill and saw them go through the Progressive gauntlet of protestors and lawsuits. They gave up after trying to win support of the community because of these Progressive politically-motivated attacks on them. Nothing would please the Progressive pols and seeing this was going to be the case for their foreseeable Evergreen Pulp future, they pulled out when the economic situation would not allow them to pour money into lawsuits instead of fixing the plant.

This is just one real life example of how our local job killer Progressives are helping destroy the local economy. They want Humboldt County to be an economic backwater so they can enjoy their established pot-funded homesteads and HSU-based careers while the average Humboldt County job earner is put out of work.

I won't even go into Palco loss. I predicted it and it's come true that the only trees going to the mill these days from Humboldt Redwood Co. are going to their Ukiah mill. Again, thanks so much, Progressives, for backing the Heartlands Plan that would have seen a thriving Palco Community Corp. right now because of basic lottery funding and conversion to producing sustainable community self-sufficiency systems in kit form.

Progressives have no vision except REACTION to what others are trying to do to help sustain our community.

Anonymous said...

Hurwitz had a 20 year plan to cut every tree the law would allow then liquidate the rest. You've known that for years, Stephen. As for the Heartlands Plan which you are so proud of - you couldn't even sell it to the Indians, so thanks for accepting responsibility for your own failure. I do not know about the pulp mill, but I'd suspect any history that you'd write on the subject as being largely fictional. Litigation usually happens when laws are broken - you can spin it how ever you want. Why does Humboldt County have to be an economic backwater if, as you say, progressives are already enjoying their 'established pot funded homesteads'? Are you saying that everyone who owns a home that doesn't meet code is a pot grower? Don't you own one of those? While I admire the simplicity of your message, 'progressive = pot growing homesteader', I'm confused. First you're bashing the progressives who are against the homesteaders who are pissed off that the progressives support plan A, which means that they are pissed off at themselves, then you are bashing the homesteaders for having caused more eco-damage than loggers who are fucked over by progressives that are homesteaders, who are busy fucking themselves. You leave me feeling doubtful.

Stephen said...

Well, with your twisted chain of logic I don't doubt you're feeling doubtful.

Some facts might help you untangle your thinking:

1) I don't own any home, homestead or otherwise. I live in a rent subsidized apartment complex that is of course up to code, not that I think that alternative structures cannot perform as well as code structures. I do. While I don't have a dog in the running Planning Dept feud with homesteaders I am for alternative building that meet Performance of code structures.

2) The Heartlands Project came out of Bear River former Tribal Council which worked on the plan from 1995-98 but, you not knowing about or understanding tribal government do not understand every tribal government in the US has this same problem of family politics ruling everything and often stopping projects when in office that were started by competing tribal families. That's exactly what has happened with the Heartland Project which had full Tribal Council support until the current elected Tribal Council came into office which immediately disowned the Heartlands Project. But even this new TC was "sold" on the Heartlands Plan briefly for about two weeks when Palco went into bankruptcy, but old family feuds do not die easily and it took only one elder's disapproval to scotch the newer Heartlands Plan effort.

3) If you suspect I write fiction then you need to talk to people who know more about these things than you do and are not prejudiced in their opinions as you are. I mean, you are trying to make a false conclusion that my criticism of Progressives is automatically criticism of homesteaders. Most Progressive leaders are not homesteaders. They're too busy using environmental issues to lawsuit corporations and politicking to run a homestead.

Anonymous said...

You spend a lot of time running a malignant propaganda campaign against environmental org.s and everybody associated with them.

Someone once told me that all people have prejudices. What the hell? You have been defending your prejudices for most of this thread. If you didn't have prejudices you would just imprint mine and start following me around like a duckling and I could name you Daffy or buster or something like that.

Stephen said...

Hell's bells, you would too if you were an environmentalist and saw what I saw happening for 20 years. 20 years of Timber War is what our local environmental organizations gave us. 20 years of fighting Hurwitz while most all that time he did more or less what he had planned all along--take as much from the land as possible and then sell it off. 20 years of ineffective environmental protest of this and thousands and thousands of old growth trees cut in that time. In the end a dead Palco while if enviros had just once backed our Heartlands Plan it would have made the difference in the newer Tribal Council's acceptance. We were always out on our own with an environmental project that environmentalists here didn't care a fig about because it wasn't theirs. So, yes, this situation has tended to make me a little short on warm fuzzy feelings for our local enviro orgs who to me aren't working for the environment at all but working politically to attack corporations, not caring about how those corporations keep Humboldt County work force intact, not caring about those who work in the timber industry which has always been and always will be a mainstay of Humboldt's economy because so far you cannot stop the trees from growing.

Anonymous said...

If the tribal council wanted to buy Palco with state lotto money all they had to do was say 'we want to buy Palco'. Done deal. No one could have stopped them. If the tribal council wanted to save thousands and thousands of old growth trees they could have done it without spending 20 years dedicated to battling Maxxam on all fronts. I think they could have bought and paid for Palco in just a few years. I understand your disappointment. What I do not understand is your misplaced anger. I know that the org.s fought a legal battle on one front while tree sits fought on another. Palco workers sided with their employer and Maxxam liquidated everything they could, including workers' pensions. What can be gained by hindsight? Thousands and thousands of old growth trees liquidated to pay off Maxxam's junk bond debt are gone forever. For twenty years environmental org.s fought legal battle after legal battle against a corporate giant and you have no fuzzy feelings for them. Where would the timber jobs be today if the org.s had done nothing? The job situation for the timber industry wouldn't look any brighter. At least people fought, and some even died, while the tribal council, embroiled in their own politics, impoverished many in their tribe. What I do know is that those that fought the hardest to save Palco from destruction by Charles Hurwitz were every long haired, unwashed tree sitter, and those who organized, those who marched in protest, people involved in direct forest action, and the environmental organizations that battled Maxxam's lawyers in court. I'm not sure how to measure the size of the loss you represent to the environmental movement - my bathroom scale doesn't measure anything smaller than an ounce.

Anonymous said...

Nice revisionist history.

Stephen said...

You know if the rural homestead subdivision creeks were not being polluted and over-consumed by homesteaders who these same wonderous warrior enviros continually sought for funding, if this eco-destruction wasn't occurring all the while these same enviro warriors continually took to headline hunting and protest organizing and ineffective lawsuiting (e.g. the misplaced spotted owl protests that put thousands of timber workers out of work needlessly in N. California) that effectively blinded homesteaders to their own eco-damages because they thought themselves clear as they didn't receive any, ANY, enviro org protests, if all this hadn't happened concurrently with the 20 years of organized enviro protests and lawsuits, then you'd have a point to make. But the historical reality is enviro orgs cared little about seriously confronting their own major source of income and political clout in Humboldt County so they didn't say anything and even went way out of their way to publicly attack this environmental whistle-blower, every time trying to black mark and blacklist me from environmental orgs as some sort of paid dis-information source working for PL because I did publicly protest homestead eco-damage for those 20 years.

Yes, the B.R. Band of Rohnerville could have gotten Palco if it ever got the Heartlands lottery system going but tribal politics kept that from happening just like enviro politics kept enviros from successfully teaching homesteaders how not to ruin the life of their land.

Times change and now enviros are getting flack from the homestead community because they are finally getting some cajones to buck their funding base and are paying the price now they should have faced 20 years ago.

Sparky's aiming to be on the B.R. Tribal Council next year and maybe things will change then. God knows the enviro backed Fisher family owners of HRC aren't doing anything to develop jobs at their Scotia site which now practically a ghost town.

Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, the big timber companies over harvested their own timber land and now want to change protectionist laws that would allow them to do the same thing on state and federal land.

Anonymous said...

Holy shit Rose - boy have you shook the nutters loose with this post. Seems to have hit a nerve little lady. Keep it up and thank you.

Anonymous said...

Names! His name is Stephen!

Stephen said...

Enviro activism took its model from the Vietnam War activists. They came here looking for a fight with mainstream America and Hurwitz provided their dream enemy. From the start EPIC, Earth First!, and NEC acted as if corporate timber companies were enemies of both the trees and the people of Humboldt County. They incorrectly assumed anybody environmentally concerned had to be counterculture, had to share counterculture values, and so they wrote off as worthless working with timber company owners as they existed and chose instead to go to political and public war with them. Oh they said they were doing this for the trees and even timber workers but it never fooled timber workers who saw that what these yahoos were really out for was the end of their jobs. And they got it, didn't they?

I came into the environmental activist scene as a communitarian organizer to whom there wasn't all that much difference between the capitalist exploitation of local resources of Hurwitz and Bob McKee. Because I had worked with Bob on the Elk Ridge subdivision I got to see for myself for several years just how much damage all Bob's road-building was causing to the streams. I just could not fault PL anymore than I could our own homestead community which I too had contributed my share of eco-damage--ordering three driveways punched in and a pond that blew out the next year, all of which contribute like everyone else's up in the SoHum hills to the over-sedimentation of SoHum creeks and destruction of salmonid spawning habitat.

With my different attitude I proved that an environmental activist could indeed work cooperatively with timber companies to environmentally improve their timber harvesting practices. With my different attitude I proved an environmental activist could indeed work with an entire local tribe to help save the environment. I don't think protest or lawsuit activism is effective. It just wastes time, money and environmental energy that could have otherwise been spent in productive changing of the targeted corporations. Who benefited from the Timber War? The trees? No, thousand upon thousands came down in that 20 year period and I personally saw how we lost 20,000 acres of prime stream corridor old growth trees throughout PL's holdings because of one woman's and her org's throwing a fit in a joint-meeting of enviros and timber owners. In other words, while enviro orgs knew a lot about organizing protests and lawsuiting they didn't know squat about how to effectively reach cooperative agreement with timber owners. Wrong mindset did that that couldn't distinguish between a shallow political view of corporations and their management and real steps necessary to save trees. After all, why compromise they asked themselves when Timber War publicity brought them more donation and grant monies. This formed a vicious cycle in which the more enviros publicly protested the more money they got so nothing but war happened when cooperative compromise, e.g. PL's offer that was refused to EPIC to set aside 20,000 prime old-growth acres. They were all eventually cut because EPIC couldn't understand peace, even environmental peace, require people who can reach cooperative compromise.

Rose said...

What's interesting is watching the dope growing community positioning themselves - and the odd parallels between their situation and the timber situation - all the claims of how the pot industry supports this community, how important they and their dollars are to the businesses and well-being of Humboldt County. How anyone who wants work can make big bucks trimming, if not growing and selling... The realization that that revenue is threatened by legalization - and the trial balloon that perhaps the government would enact price supports to keep them afloat alive and in business, continuing to support the community.

Well, why should you get special treatment? Why should the dope growers be treated any better than the timber industry has been treated?

'Cause you ain't seen nuthin' yet - when people like Ken Miller cried about environmental degradation - wait til the dope growers are held accountable. Cheatiung on a form or report? (Gallegos' Palco allegation)? Compare that to the lies and criminal activity of dope growers.

Wait for the day when the yellow signs are in front of dope-grower houses - "This Family Supported By Dope Dollars"

Anonymous said...

Yeah, those stupid counter-culture people should have bought chain saws an gone to work, the idiots. It was a fail-yah and a waste of environmental energy. It was a fail-yah to commune with Charles Hurwitz and Palco workers and others. What we had was a fail-yah of commune-yah-cation. Twenty years of unsustainable rate of harvest and we didn't even get in on it. The ones who did are now out of work or living in rent subsidized housing and dreaming of the good old days.

Rose said...

Your battle with Palco is over, dumbass.

Anonymous said...

Well, of coarse it is, Miss Rose. I have been doing battle with Stephen Lewis. How did that brain scan go? Did they detect anything going on in there?

Stephen said...

When you have no logic to your argument, always go for slandering your opponents position. That's the enviro way. Let's move on. This thread is growing old..

Anonymous said...

Slander? I bow to the master.

Stephen said...

Whatever..You need to learn the difference between slander and criticism based on factual performance. We've talked about Heraldo so to see what real slander looks like, go to Heraldo's blog and see how Heralo trashes Home Depot's reputation using slander. Now if Kaitlin is part of this Heraldo effort then she is using Heraldo to politically attack another big box coming in her jurisdiction. I would ask you if this ethical conduct on the part of an elected official. Now if Kaitlin isn't a part of Heraldo, then I'm just another citizen with a personal gripe about a local government official and she needn't be concerned too much nor her political supporters and handlers. Just part of the job description..

We'll have an answer about this soon..

Anonymous said...

Stephen Lewis, you are a sorry, silly, stupid shit painting chimpanzee. After Kaitlin has set you straight she'll have every right, in my book, to tie the long hair on your head to the short hair on your ass and kick you down the road. Then you can come back here and blat about factual performance and your road rash. Don't give me any of your mealy mouth bullshit about how you are just a concerned citizen. You have been pretending that Heraldo is an alias of Kaitlin's for months. If you weren't a world class asshole you would have had your facts straight from the beginning. It has been so much handier for you to spread lies. How much longer are you going to piss up this slack rope, anyway? I'm sure your in no hurry, you demented finger painting baboon.

Anonymous said...

Heraldo might not be Kaitlin directly (it's often reputed to be a group effort perhaps involving Kaitlin/Cobb and a few others)...but the Heraldo CORPORATE ENTITY has made a point of pimping for each and every scam of Democracy Unlimited and its front groups, and has actively censored any criticism of such.

It's strange how Heraldo won't censor attacks on, say, Larry Glass, or on Bonnie Neely, or on Shane Brinton, or on any other leftie/Dem politician. Only the Cobb-Kaitlin axis gets this special treatment. Any neutral observer would have to wonder why, at least.

Stephen said...

Anon 9:08, take your snotty potty mouth some place else. If you can't give any rational criticism and can only rant and rave and spew out slanderous drivel, go back to Heraldo's hideaway where such crap is normal fare for local politically correct reactionaries oxymoronically posing as "Progressives".

Anonymous said...

"Only the Cobb-Kaitlin axis gets this special treatment."

As a propaganda tactic, it is useful to tell a lie and keep repeating it. Stephen and Rose will not confront anyone face to face with their accusations because that would not work to their benefit. Even if they do confront Kaitlin to save face they will say she denied it, but that her denial wasn't plausible, for what ever reason they will give. How long have you had your 'Comments Censored by Heraldo' page up, Rose? I cannot say that it buttresses your accusations.

Hey Stephen, my snotty potty mouth has constitutional rights that end at watchpaul's sovereign border. If Rose doesn't exercise her right to censor me, then you have little power to stop me. So, you lucky guy, for as long as you keep coming back for the last word, I will trump you. It is up to you and how much you want to take. Just grab the K.Y. if your ass gets sore, because I am hard to satisfy.

Anonymous said...

7:14 - you have lost. Speaking as a liberal woman, I am disgusted by the likes of you.

Anonymous said...

Yes, you probably have issues.

Anonymous said...

Bite me 11:48. I guess it goes without saying that you beat your wife when she disagrees with your delusional thinking.

Actually, I enjoy your rather bizarre comments. Shows me just how much you hate women, free speech and other principles that used to be associated with "liberal thought." Rabid dogs like you is why I quit sending checks to the NEC two years ago.

Anonymous said...

What ever. I'm not going to defend my self against dishonest people.

10:57 - You say that you are speaking as a liberal woman. You claimed no virtues, so I am left to believe you're out. I have no interest in woman of low intelligence that lack honesty. Honesty and intelligence are virtues I can count on. So, lacking those, do you at least claim features? The feature I like best in women with no virtues is the one where I step on your foot and the top of your head hinges upward to reveal a six-pack of I.P.A. on ice. No? Just issues then? Go pedal your charms somewhere else.

11:58 - The day I was born, while having my first bowel movement, I sang 'You ain't nuthin' but a hound dawg' at the top of my lungs as I tapped my feet to a driving rock and roll beat. My mother said I was precocious. My father said I was a prodigy. You and I may share few similarities, but I am as grateful for that as you. Let's celebrate our differences.

Anonymous said...

1:59 - you are really a piece of work. Thanks for a real clear picture of "progressive" thought. Nasty, small minded, sexist and stupid come to mind when I read your comments. Again, we all now know why your wife divorced you. ]

and btw, get a fucking hair cut you look ridiculous.

Hugs and kisses,
10:57 and 11:58.

Anonymous said...

Oh, stop touching yourself, Narssisus.

Anonymous said...

10:49, your issues are your own.
1) Narcissitic, yes you are.
2) Histrionic tendencies - you deserve the worst actor in a low budget soap opera nomination
3) Hateful of women - man is this the understatement of the year.


Be careful buster, your ip is now known.

Anonymous said...

Why do they always forget about their IP numbers?

Anonymous said...

Threats! What nasty things are you doing with my IP number? You give it back, right now! Are you planning to send my IP number back one digit at a time? YOU ANIMAL! YOU MONSTER! I hope you are caught and locked up forever! I hope you never see the light of day, again, for the rest of your life. Give it back. I want it back. Oh, this is the worst day of my life. Look what you have done. Look what you have done to me. I can't stand it. I can't. It's over. You win.

BANG!

Rose said...

How old are you 2:19 - and why are you wasting your time?

Anonymous said...

drip......drip.......drip......drip..

Anonymous said...

Yo dude. Your IP is being used to out you. Sorry, but you went too far overboard. Happy trails.

Anonymous said...

In your wildest dreams, dude. Am I the only honest poster on this thread? You blowhards would out your own mothers, if you knew who they were, but you don't have my IP. And even if you did, you can't I.D. me. So you are just a desperate pack of lying liars, lying through your crooked teeth. You might as well admit, right now, that you find me irresistible.

Rose said...

Nobody is outing you, Relax.

Anonymous said...

No, but it was fun reading him imploding. My bad.