No, I am not against the EcoHostel Project. Nor am I against the Hampton Inn Project or the Marina Center Project. I just think that to be fair - the frothing at the mouth mobs ought to treat the projects equally, therefore they should be forming "CREG" type groups and drumming up opposition. You know, just to demonstrate that they are not hypocrites.
Rose,if you can show that the ecohostel proposal will be equally as impactive as bringing in a Home Depot then we can have that discussion.There simply is no comparison between the projects.
It is a building, mresquan. First and foremost a building. Regardless of who the first tenant is. There's middle ground between rampant growth and no growth. These projects all fall into that middle ground. Eureka is a city, not a pristine wilderness. The waterfront is a dump, a line of derelict buildings. You've also got Glenn Goldan and Dolores Vellutini's projects coming.
"u know, just to demonstrate that they are not hypocrites."
I don't think it's fair to say that CREG is against all development on the waterfront. They are simply critical of poorly conceived projects, especially one as large as the Marina Center proposal.
CREG is critical of anything that doesn't have the RS/radical stamp of approval on it. PERIOD! If Rob were still funneling dollars into their greedy little(minds) and big outstreached hands there'd be so much love juice flowing they couldn't light their bongs. Pure hypocrites is more like it. They will decide for me,you,the rest of the public and the dumb smuck comming up with the dough what a well concieved project is. Bottom line it's going to be a project they can control and the rest of us get to pay for. Sorry about the dangeling prepositions,etc.
Oh really? Look at the track record. Bob McKee skates with Progs and enviros because his corporation provides the homesteaders who bring dollars into Prog and enviro political campaigns. Ask any knowledgeable forester or land use planner and see if ol' Bob passes the muster or if in reality, Bob's eco-disastrous developments are one of Humboldt County's major planning mistakes.
But Bob's on OUR SIDE so he's OK. Arkley isn't. Arkley didn't contribute.
Didn't you know, Stephen? You must have missed the David Cobb/Mark Lovelace (Love-less, as Cobb pronounces it) Disinformation Hour last night on KHSU...
Why, didn't you know that these smaller TPZ landowners are being thrown up as "shields" for the larger landowners (I guess we should read that PALCO)... that according to Lovelace these property owners have no reason to be upset about the moratorium the BOS declared... Why, don't you REALIZE that their situation is exactly the same today as it was before the moratorium - the dire emergency was declared?
Didn't you know that TPZ is a scam? To get developers preferential tax treatment, and that they are buying land under false pretenses... Oh, it was a show to be heard.
Well rehearsed talking points - drummed home over and over and over again - the NEED for more power for the County, the tax treatment - all designed as that easy rhetoric these guys specialize in. Easy rhetoric that you will hear and "get" and not ask any further questions, so cleverly designed to obfuscate the truth.
Quite a different story the night before, when Lovelace and the completely irrelevant and out of her depth Jennifer Kalt tried spinning the facts and were confronted with the truth. The simple and unvarnished truth.
Starting with the audience correcting Kalt's assertion that this is the only place where redwoods grow.
Rose as usual you are clear and on point. The HSU radio show with corncobb and loveless was pure slander. The college needs to take a good look at this kind of unchecked railroading. Rose you and Dan Toranto should do a show on this to get some honesty of there.
That'd be interesting, Taranto is awesome, and his story/background is incredible.
But you won't get a fair forum on Cobb's show.
I would do a round table with Bill Barnum, Lee Ulansey, Dan Taranto and some of the others who can speak to the truth of how this situation is affecting real people.
Lovelace has had his say. But he can call in his talking points if he likes. No need, though, we can print them up ahead of time, we already know what they are.
And in a funny way - you know the phrase "Speaking truth to Power" - that happened the other night in McKinleyville, in a funny sort of way, when Bill Barnum finally got a chance to address the snarky digs Jennifer Kalt spat, as well as the ones Lovelace has been pushing in his own "heraldononymous" forums.
He told the story of how he came to own the property he holds, buying it from his family, not being able to afford the entire holdings, so the lands were split. He talked about the lands he has sold to - Sanctuary Forest and Save the Redwoods.
In fact, the stories of the landowners and ranchers are fascinating - how can the reporters not be interested in stories of women running ranches, of the fight to save the ranch from millions of dollars in inheritance taxes due. These are the stories of the land.
It doesn't take much to find out the truth, a few questions directed to real people instead of the new age con men who hold sway over public opinion in this county.
Are you actually against this project Rose?
ReplyDeleteIs FSC lumber just not your thing?
Would you have rather seen the Hampton Inn project here? What ever happened to that thing, anyway?
Hampton Inn is going in next to the proposed Home Depot.Right in front of where a bunch of logs currently sit.
ReplyDeleteOff topic, but oh well
ReplyDeletehttp://www.northcoastjournal.com/120607/news1206.html
"No one except the radical ear-plugging lunatic fringe denies that we’re messing up the world in a potentially cataclysmic fashion."
Sounds like our friend Rose! Well written Hank.
The Hampton Inn project is being developed by the parents of the high school students who started Humboldt Property Alliance.
ReplyDeleteNo, I am not against the EcoHostel Project. Nor am I against the Hampton Inn Project or the Marina Center Project. I just think that to be fair - the frothing at the mouth mobs ought to treat the projects equally, therefore they should be forming "CREG" type groups and drumming up opposition. You know, just to demonstrate that they are not hypocrites.
ReplyDeleteRose,if you can show that the ecohostel proposal will be equally as impactive as bringing in a Home Depot then we can have that discussion.There simply is no comparison between the projects.
ReplyDeleteIt is a building, mresquan. First and foremost a building. Regardless of who the first tenant is. There's middle ground between rampant growth and no growth. These projects all fall into that middle ground. Eureka is a city, not a pristine wilderness. The waterfront is a dump, a line of derelict buildings. You've also got Glenn Goldan and Dolores Vellutini's projects coming.
ReplyDeleteI have much more faith in the Eco-Hostel, Goldan & Velluntini's projects that the Home Depot.
ReplyDeleteI think just about everyone does- except those who want to ignor the obvious.
"u know, just to demonstrate that they are not hypocrites."
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's fair to say that CREG is against all development on the waterfront. They are simply critical of poorly conceived projects, especially one as large as the Marina Center proposal.
Big difference there Rose
One difference. Rob Arkley.
ReplyDeleteCREG is critical of anything that doesn't have the RS/radical stamp of approval on it. PERIOD! If Rob were still funneling dollars into their greedy little(minds) and big outstreached hands there'd be so much love juice flowing they couldn't light their bongs. Pure hypocrites is more like it. They will decide for me,you,the rest of the public and the dumb smuck comming up with the dough what a well concieved project is. Bottom line it's going to be a project they can control and the rest of us get to pay for. Sorry about the dangeling prepositions,etc.
ReplyDelete"One difference. Rob Arkley."
ReplyDeleteThis shows exactly how clueless you really are...
Oh really? Look at the track record. Bob McKee skates with Progs and enviros because his corporation provides the homesteaders who bring dollars into Prog and enviro political campaigns. Ask any knowledgeable forester or land use planner and see if ol' Bob passes the muster or if in reality, Bob's eco-disastrous developments are one of Humboldt County's major planning mistakes.
ReplyDeleteBut Bob's on OUR SIDE so he's OK. Arkley isn't. Arkley didn't contribute.
what is mckee developing along the eureka waterfront?
ReplyDeleteWhat is Arkley developing in Humboldt rural watersheds?
ReplyDelete"What is Arkley developing in Humboldt rural watersheds?"
ReplyDeleteShall we give HELP a chance?
Didn't you know, Stephen? You must have missed the David Cobb/Mark Lovelace (Love-less, as Cobb pronounces it) Disinformation Hour last night on KHSU...
ReplyDeleteWhy, didn't you know that these smaller TPZ landowners are being thrown up as "shields" for the larger landowners (I guess we should read that PALCO)... that according to Lovelace these property owners have no reason to be upset about the moratorium the BOS declared... Why, don't you REALIZE that their situation is exactly the same today as it was before the moratorium - the dire emergency was declared?
Didn't you know that TPZ is a scam? To get developers preferential tax treatment, and that they are buying land under false pretenses... Oh, it was a show to be heard.
Well rehearsed talking points - drummed home over and over and over again - the NEED for more power for the County, the tax treatment - all designed as that easy rhetoric these guys specialize in. Easy rhetoric that you will hear and "get" and not ask any further questions, so cleverly designed to obfuscate the truth.
Quite a different story the night before, when Lovelace and the completely irrelevant and out of her depth Jennifer Kalt tried spinning the facts and were confronted with the truth. The simple and unvarnished truth.
Starting with the audience correcting Kalt's assertion that this is the only place where redwoods grow.
Quite a different Mark Lovelace that night.
Unreal.
Rose as usual you are clear and on point. The HSU radio show with corncobb and loveless was pure slander. The college needs to take a good look at this kind of unchecked railroading. Rose you and Dan Toranto should do a show on this to get some honesty of there.
ReplyDeleteThat'd be interesting, Taranto is awesome, and his story/background is incredible.
ReplyDeleteBut you won't get a fair forum on Cobb's show.
I would do a round table with Bill Barnum, Lee Ulansey, Dan Taranto and some of the others who can speak to the truth of how this situation is affecting real people.
Lovelace has had his say. But he can call in his talking points if he likes. No need, though, we can print them up ahead of time, we already know what they are.
And in a funny way - you know the phrase "Speaking truth to Power" - that happened the other night in McKinleyville, in a funny sort of way, when Bill Barnum finally got a chance to address the snarky digs Jennifer Kalt spat, as well as the ones Lovelace has been pushing in his own "heraldononymous" forums.
He told the story of how he came to own the property he holds, buying it from his family, not being able to afford the entire holdings, so the lands were split. He talked about the lands he has sold to - Sanctuary Forest and Save the Redwoods.
In fact, the stories of the landowners and ranchers are fascinating - how can the reporters not be interested in stories of women running ranches, of the fight to save the ranch from millions of dollars in inheritance taxes due. These are the stories of the land.
It doesn't take much to find out the truth, a few questions directed to real people instead of the new age con men who hold sway over public opinion in this county.
Rose you're a 10. Why do we have to battle with 2's like lovelace and 0's like cobb ?
ReplyDeleteRose is a negative 10
ReplyDeleteRose is an awesome 11! The best investigative reporter in Humboldt County and most honest blogger to boot!
ReplyDeleteGo Rose!
Btw, Rose, I am good to go for years to come. It's gone! God is good!
That makes Rose a 21. The nut jobs can't count so I'll do the math 10 + 11 -0 = 21. Go Rose Go!
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