A million bucks in assets forfeited! AND his right to the 36 parcels, $5,803,000.00 + Eel River Saw Mill Vilica properties? Now that's a story! SO-O-O, if the property he is forfeiting was owned by Vilica LLC (president Steve Schectman), but sold (at least some of the parcels) to Paradise Palms LLC, who is out the money? Do the partners get to keep the property? How many partners are there? Are they all from this area? Who, then is going to pay for the abatements ordered by the Board of Supervisors? Sure it's the least of Hedlund's problems - does he go to jail? The AP story doesn't say.
Mercury News - Man pleads guilty to massive pot growing, money laundering The Associated Press 02/04/2008
OAKLAND, Calif.—A man pleaded guilty today to using a Berkeley warehouse for a massive marijuana growing operation.
Joshua Hedlund's plea comes as the result of a two-year investigation by the Berkeley Police Department. There were more than 2,700 marijuana plants growing at his warehouse.
Hedlund also pleaded guilty to money laundering and agreed to forfeit more than 1 million dollars in proceeds from the marijuana operation.
He also agreed to forfeit his right to more than 7,000 acres in Humboldt and Trinity counties he purchased from the Eel River Saw Mill.
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Related:
sf gate - BERKELEY - 12 charged in raid of pot, guns, cash Saturday, May 13, 2006 - Twelve men face federal drug charges stemming from a Berkeley raid that netted 5,800 marijuana plants, a dozen weapons and $220,000 in cash.
The March 15 seizure at 809 Allston Way was the largest haul of marijuana Berkeley police have made in years and led to searches of homes in Oakland, Castro Valley, Antioch and Brentwood. The federal Drug Enforcement Administration has since joined the case.
The defendants are Brian O'Leary, Jonathan Ford, Scott Burghardt, Andrew Brainerd, Rory MacDougall, Derek O'Day, Jeffery Ford Jr., Todd Tisue, Joshua Hedlund, Brent Tageson, Reed Olson and Rick Knott.
Rules are for little people
36 parcels, $5,803,000.00 + ?
Assessor Parcel Information a 38 page pdf document
Interesting side note: Vilica - WarcraftRealms.com - A complete World of Warcraft realm site including Warcraft Census data.
Warcraft Realms link
Whoa!
ReplyDeleteYeah. Wow. Now, what happens to Steve Schectman, Hedlund's partner in Vilica LLC? Is he involved?
ReplyDeleteStill no story on Vilica LLC in the TS or ER - a search of both sites comes up blank, a search of Schectman only brings up old Recall stuff.
ReplyDeleteSO-O-O, if the property Hedlund is forfeiting was owned by Vilica LLC (former DA candidate, and pro-bono inside the DA's office Vilica "president" Steve Schectman), but supposedly sold (at least some of the parcels) to Paradise Palms LLC, who is out the money? Do the partners get to keep the property? How many partners are there? Are they all from this area? Who, then is going to pay for the abatements ordered by the Board of Supervisors? Sure it's the least of Hedlund's problems - does he go to jail? The AP story doesn't say. (These questions have been added to the post above. Anybody have any answers?
Well no answers but more questions! How did Shectman and Hedlund meet? I doubt Hedlund picked him out of the phone book. Are Hedlund and Gags acquainted? Miller and Hedlund? How did they meet? What ever happened to the Haven Kozak/Paradise Palms case? Did it merge at all with the Berkeley case? Wasn't there a grow or two busted recently near Benbow? Wasn't it all hush hush with few details released? A little bird told me Hedlund developed some of his famous "sustainable" ranches out that way. By the way, I don't think Hedlund was sentenced today he just pled. Wonder why? Wonder if his sentencing will be sealed? Wonder if there are any aftershocks still to come?
ReplyDeleteOh I almost forgot maybe you could get a PACER account Rose. I think it would be useful in researching various court proceedings of interest to you and others in the community.
ReplyDeleteI still don't get why his sentencing would be sealed. Is that part of the plea deal? And if so, why would any judge allow that?
ReplyDeleteThis is no small deal.
We'll see if it makes the local news.
Well I think all of his codefendants had their sentencing hearings sealed. I am told by those who know that there is usually only one reason in a criminal case like this why a hearing would be sealed. A PACER search might reveal any local ties. Sometimes we have to read between the lines.
ReplyDeleteDeal might be sealed to protect a brisk trade in friends and relatives until those cases proceed. For instance, the deal might depend on truthful testimony against various mr/ms "x's".
ReplyDeleteIsn't that delicious to contemplate. Let some people sweat about who's saying what to the feds/other jurisdistions, where the DA might not be so friendly.
Fascinating.
ReplyDeleteTS - YOUR SEARCH: Hedlund 0 matches
ReplyDeleteI am not as familiar with Federal procedure, but I beleieve that it is in fact unusual for a person to plead and be sentenced the same day, at least if it is an open plea (i.e. no sentence agreed upon as a term). Federal felony senetncing is fairly complex and I presume that there will be some kind of pre-sentence report and recommendation. 8:01 has a good point, may be a contingent deal depending on him ratting out his colleagues.
ReplyDeleteLet's not forget that the IRS is what brought down Al Capone.
ReplyDeleteMy plea agreement is not sealed. You can get it from the courthouse. My family has suffered greatly because of my mistakes. I accept full responsibility.
ReplyDeleteMy heart goes out to you and your family, Josh. I liked your Dad, and I'm very sorry to see what has transpired.
ReplyDeleteI have so many questions.... Were you just willing to take the risk? How in the world did you get involved with Schectman? Were there other partners and how are they affected by the deal? Are the newspaper reports so far accurate?
Is there anything you can say that might save young people from having this happen to them? So many people are coming here because they have heard that they can come to Humboldt County and grow dope and get away with it. But the end result is not good for anybody. Have you thought about an outreach kind of thing?
Josh you only took responsiblity because the US Attorney forced you to do so. I am glad to see you care about your family; it is obvious from your actions you don't care about anyone else's family. Your dad may be a good person but your not.
ReplyDeleteJosh - on a previous post, I talked about what happens in the absence of information. Rumors fly, speculation breeds all kinds of scenarios.
ReplyDeleteThis is going to be the case here, unless you let all the facts out.
For one thing - you are involved, in one way or another with Schectman. Whatever the extent of his involvement, this is a man who could have been DA, God forbid. this is man who participated in trashing the reputations of others who stood in his and Gallegos' way. This is a man who was named as a pro-bono attorney for the DAs office and given access to the office, presumably to the office files.
Do you understand why there are concerns here?
Someone who runs for DA is justifiably held to a higher standard.
Someone who sanctimoniously goes after a company decrying their morals is justifiably held to a higher standard.
There are alot of questions - and they need to be answered. It is important. Very, very important.
WOW I thought YOU'D know this Rose!
ReplyDeleteSteven Schectman's run out of work up here! (really!) Frist under (what do you call him?) Gag's 99 100sq ft 1.500 watt limit, then after he turned it over to the board of sups, per sb420 Paul (ah Gag_?) the DA turned it over to them as the law required and they came up with the 100 sq ft as the limit dropping all the other limits.
Anyway back to Steven, he couldn't find enough work any more since their was no more Pot Busts for him to feed off of. So he went south to 'greener pastures.'
He backed off of Paul and that 'gang' because he didn't like the publicity it caused. I find it funny knowing that and then to see him involved with this!
I bust a gut the day I was at the BOS's when 'villanova, LLC' was the center of the presentation. (I was there for the TPZ mess!)
Imagine the internal laughter that went though me when I saw Steven Schectman as "head" (pres?) of this LLC that had totally ruined parts of this propert!
The big joke for me was that he had told me about a year or so before that he thought politics were too open and he wanted to distance himself from the lime light! Then there he was right in it. Also see below for what he's been up to and who he's been doing it with.
So many of the clubs in the LA area (the area that his law suit is based in) are (how shall I say this) .. ah run ah by er ah latin ah what IS PC? for spanish people from south of the boarder decent? (chuckle) ... anwyay Steve is down there razing cane with the DEA - for them - so when I saw him and this HUGE peice of propert - and knew that he was 'looking for work' - litterly going to the grow shops around town dropping off stacks of cards saying 'if anyone has problems let me know.' (modern version of ambluance chasing?) .. anyway here's some links as to where and what he's been up to to feed his family.
Sorry rose I know you'd like to see Gags (Paul) behind everything - earler to day - I would have loved to hang something on someone - but it just didn't add up.
I think your barking up the wrong tree here - I think old Steve-o tied in to some Latin friends - his wife is Cuban as you may or may not know - your best bet to trace this down to its roots - would be find the owners of these verious clubs that are in Steve's Union to find funding for Villa Flowering Palms or what ever -
I'd be scard to quite frankly - not nice people - if its whom I think it is given Steve's chasing amulances or grow shop people one year - and suddenly heading a LLC like this? --- also his want to distance himself from the lime light .. peace to you - we're all very amused over this over here - though for diffrent reasons I'm sure then you are ... We've seen Steve 'try' to hussle some freinds of ours for $$$ to 'help keep them out of harms way' and these people were NOT in Harms way - that's how HUNGER he was to feed his kids ..
then this .. my my my and then Villanova -- I think that's what it was called - well I'm sure you know - I just recall it from the TPZ meeting --> hope this is all of some help - sorry it don't point to Gags - but when I saw you leading Josh Hedlund on - if it was him ...
know he can't say anything - with the type of people who backed him - if my feelings on all this are right - its not "gags" or miller or any of those people, its some thing TOTALLY diffrent in its scope of dealing with people - I'm sure if it was 'just' gags and party - Josh would be sorely tempted - but its NOT - and IF some deal was cut - and the 'sent' is sealed - its cause some very bad people are involved.
I know who could be worst then Gags right Rose, belive me I don't even want to know of these people other counties have had them - so far our good Wayne Hanson and his boys have kept them out of here ... we can only pray ... I know Gags and his friends don't want them here either ...
This was a stupid thing for Steve to get involved with, go watch "home grown" and mediated on that movie - and sing it with a Latin tune or have a shot of Tequla with it .. if you get my drift -- I'm getting redundaten - I'm supprised you didn't chetch all this - and that the 'only' steve-o refrances you could find was back in his run for the Recall - thingy ...
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v07/n1172/a01.html
http://www.markblunt.com/?p=15
http://www.hightimes.com/ht/news/content.php?bid=1518&aid=24
http://unionmmp.org/documents/LG20071206-FEDCivilRightsClaim.pdf
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/514/dea_threatens_san_francisco_dispensary_landlords_lawsuit_conyers_judiciary_committee_hearing
http://www.prnewsnow.com/Public_Release/Alternative_Medicine/172698.html
Day After Lawsuit Filed Against DEA U.S. Congress Decides To Question Agency
The DEA, who has declared war on California's Medical Marijuana Law, began the draconian tactic of sending letters to Commercial Property owners who rent to legally authorized Medical Marijuana Providers this summer. In the letter, the DEA informed the owners of these properties that if they continue to rent to dispensaries they may face federal prosecution which could result in a possible prison sentence for up to 20 years as well as seizure of their property.
The Union of Medical Marijuana Providers which was formed in part, as a direct result of the DEA's letter writing campaign, as well as L.A.'s Arts District Healing Center, have been aggressively litigating this issue in both state and federal court for the past several months (state case in Los Angeles Superior Court, case 07K21837). Just yesterday, December 6, 2007 they filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court, Central District, which requested that the Court issue an injunction stopping the DEA from continuing to send these letters.
"When I saw Representative Conyers statement regarding the DEA's abuse of their power in order to thwart California's law, I knew that our legal efforts were beginning to pay off," said James Shaw, Executive Director of the Union. "The DEA has alienated too many citizens with their heavy-handed 'above the law tactics' for too long. We welcome all the support we can find in our efforts to ensure our rights are protected."
Steven Schectman, the Union's chief counsel said he has contacted Representative Conyers office today in order to provide his staff copies of the litigation that was filed in both state and Federal Court. "I am hopeful we can support the Judiciary Committee in any way possible. As a result of our research and investigation of the DEA's threatening letter campaign, in preparation of our litigation, we have become the most knowledgeable group, outside the DEA, who best understands the scope and import of their tactics. We are here to help."
The Union of Medical Marijuana Providers (UMMP) is a legal advocacy group based in Los Angeles, California. The Union's membership comprises legally compliant cooperatives, collectives, and caregiver groups throughout the State of California. UMMP was founded in 2007 to address the shared concerns of legally compliant medical marijuana patient groups.
Thanks for the info. I'll follow up. I had sorta dropped Schectman off the radar screen once he left the DA's Office.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree that he is publicity shy, though - a cover story in the Journal, and some others that ran elsewhere, I'll have to see if I can pull those up.
I still want to know how he got involved with Hedlund, and what his role is exactly. Because he got shy in a hurry.
I also agree with your assessment of the others involved.
And, just for the record, no, I don't expect to find Paul behind everything. But it is another example of his hideous bad judgement, another example of the way he gets used, and of his being surrounded by the worst of the worst - and worse yet, his letting them into the DA's Office.
ReplyDeleteAnd then he prosecutes innocent people. THAT is the problem.
As I've said - he leaves office, watchpaul stops caring what he is doing.
So here's my question, anon - looking beyond the oh-Schectman-is-oh-so-altruistic-helping-the-poor-medical-mj-patients feel to some of that coverage, how many other kids has this guy hung out to dry?
ReplyDelete"Cause I don't think Hedlund is the only one.
I have been told that if one were to cunduct a search of public records in Marin regarding Josh Hedlund this gem would turn up: Hedlund was involved in a civil case there (not the SPAWN one but another)
ReplyDeleteApparently Hedlund convinced an elderly gentleman to sign a contract for the sale of his property at well below the market rate. The man’s family caught wind of this and were outraged. They took Hedlund to court and the Judge voided the contract.
I wonder how many other nefarious “deals” Hedlund engaged in (and got away with) to raise capital for his land purchases (like the ones involving the Schmuck LLC and Villian LLC)
Another LLC that is also used -BD Resource Managment, they take US postal orders and transfer funds from one LLC to another as sales.
(Humboldt residents tell your Josh Hedlund stories!).
Some have written this blog to defend Hedlund; Blossom, is this the kind of grace with which Hedlund conducts his business? Theotherme, is this the “entrepreneurial spirit” you laud?
Hedlund has tried to defend himself as one who loves his familiy on this blog. Obviously, his compassion does not extend to anyone else’s familiy. It seems he only really loves two things: himself and money. One can only wish that he leave the county quickly and permanently.
I saw that on "heraldo"s Vilica/Hedlund post - can't find anything on BD Resource Management LLC. Does BD stand for something? Can you provide a link?
ReplyDeleteDo you know anything about Paradise Palms LLC?
Thanks for the info anon, great post. That adds a whole other dimension to this thing. We only need to look south to Mexico and Columbia to see what can happen when narco trafficers are allowed to get out of hand. Mom and Pop growers are one thing but when organised crime gets involved they might as well be growing cocaine. Maybe all those cop and good ol boy haters might want to reconsider their view of law enforcment; sure abuses occur but law enforcment plays a vital role in our society. If it becomes corrupted hell on earth ensues.
ReplyDeleteBy the way Rose someone over on Heraldo's blog mentioned another LLC- Bd Resource Managment as playing a role in this fiasco. A quick look at the SOS web sight reveals that it is indeed an active LLC with a local agent. I don't want to bring his name into it without more reason, he could just be a dupe. Or maybe not. Anybody know about that? Schmook Ranch LLC is still active but its agent resigned in 2006. Anybody know who it was? Who are Schmook's officers?
Rose matbe you could retrieve the court documents from the Hedlund case? Maybe they would shed some light.
No reason to withhold names here, I don't think - Everything is speculation at this point
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B.D. RESOURCE MANAGEMENT LLC
Number: 200601210266 Date Filed: 1/12/2006 Status: active
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Address
PO BOX 22
HYDESVILLE, CA 95547
Agent for Service of Process
JUSTIN TALLMAN
PO BOX 22
HYDESVILLE, CA 95547
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LP/LLC
PARADISE PALMS NURSERY LLC
Number: 200406510187
Date Filed: 3/5/2004
Status: active
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Address
390 LANG RD
BURLINGAME, CA 94010
Agent for Service of Process
HAVEN KOZAK
390 LANG RD
BURLINGAME, CA 94010
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LP/LLC
PARADISE PALMS, LLC
Number: 200332510078 Date Filed: 11/19/2003 Status: active
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Address
7177 BROCKTON AVE STE #215
RIVERSIDE, CA 92506
Agent for Service of Process
KIRK DAVID BOWLUS
1662 DUSTIN PLACE
RIVERSIDE, CA 925
LP/LLC
ReplyDeleteVILICA, LLC
Number: 200622710184 Date Filed: 8/15/2006 Status: active
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Address
1125 16TH ST., STE. 205
ARCATA, CA 95521
Agent for Service of Process
STEVEN SCHECTMAN
1125 16TH ST., STE. 205
ARCATA, CA 95521
Date Released: 7/27/2007
ReplyDeleteSubject: Marijuana Investigation
Contact: Sgt. W. Hanson
Case No#: 200704329
Released By: Sgt. W. Hanson
Location: Redwood Valley
On 07-26-2007 at 1345 hours the Humboldt County Sheriff’s assisted the Humboldt County Code Enforcement Unit with a marijuana related search warrant on a rural parcel of property located off Bair Road in Redwood Valley. Officers from California Department of Fish and Game assisted in the investigation, because of water that may have been diverted on the property with out permits. The Bureau of Land Management assisted with the investigation, because this property was adjacent to BLM property.
When Officers arrived on the property they detained two subjects who they identified as Lindsey Rose Arnold age 24 and Haven Albion Kozak age 30. Officers then searched the property and located 4 greenhouses that contained growing marijuana plants. Officers seized 1,229 marijuana plants that ranged in size from 1 inch to 3 feet. Officers seized $2,500 dollars in cash and two ATV’s for asset seizure.
Officers then arrested Haven Kozak and Lindsey Arnold for cultivation and possession of marijuana for sales. Both subjects were transported to the Humboldt County Correctional Facility in Eureka.
This case is still under investigation.
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Haven Kozak. 390 Lang Road. Burlingame, CA 94010. (415) 573-6789. LCD client since 2005. Providence Pest & Termite. Kevin Woolen. 402 Birch Avenue ...
www.l4cd.com/images/PDF/client_directory.pdf - Similar pages
Paradise Palms received a loan...?
TS - Two arrested when code enforcement turns to pot bust
ReplyDeleteChris Durant and John Driscoll/The Times-Standard
Article Launched: 07/28/2007 04:13:30 AM PDT
Humboldt County Sheriff deputies backing up Code Enforcement investigators took over the case Thursday when marijuana was found on property off Bair Road in Redwood Valley.
The Humboldt County Sheriff's Department said Lindsey Rose Arnold, 24, and Haven Albion Kozak, 30, were immediately arrested and more than 1,200 pot plants were found.
The plants range in size from 1 inch to 3 feet.
Officers also seized $2,500 in cash and two all-terrain vehicles.
Bureau of Land Management personnel and California Department of Fish and Game wardens assisted in the case.
Fish and Game Warden Jackie Krug said the department is more frequently seeing environmental crimes associated with illegal pot grows. In this case, she said, 10 culverts were installed without permits, and a road was graded down a steep slope to a stream, which will cause significant erosion this winter. There were also two illegal water diversions, Krug said.
”It's all, of course, being done without permits ... because the nature of what they're doing is illegal,” Krug said.
Kozak and Arnold were booked into the Humboldt County Jail on suspicion of marijuana culti
Contractors Name Also Licensed with Status
ReplyDeleteKIRK DAVID BOWLUS KIRK D BOWLUS DBA BOWLUS PACIFIC Expired
Contractors Name Also Licensed with Status
KIRK DAVID BOWLUS BOWLUS PACIFIC VENTURE CORPORATION Active
So is the one related to Hedlund Schectman Vilica/abatement Paradise Palms Nursery LLC or Paradise Palms, LLC?
The former seems most likely.
As of Febuary 3, 2008 Steven Schectman resigned from Vilica, LLC. I take sole responsibility for my crimes. I welcome a private dialogue with you Rose. The truth is not as exciting as this blog's fiction. It is certainly less political. joshhedlund@yahoo.com 415-850-7118
ReplyDeleteFeb 2008? A little after the fact.
ReplyDeleteWe'll talk then.
SCHMOOK RANCH, LLC
ReplyDeleteNumber: 200434510155 Date Filed: 12/10/2004 Status: active
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Address
1915 ADDISON STREET
BERKELEY, CA 94704
Agent for Service of Process
***AGENT RESIGNED 10/10/06***
Who was the agent here?
Hi Rose thanks for picking up ont hsi - ya well it does look to me someties that some people (you) want to base all the worlds ills upon one person in this case the DA, come on own up, after all this whole website or blog or what ever IS CALLED "WATCH PAUL" and your bises is pertty ovious.
ReplyDeleteanyway be that as it may, thank you for looking at this this way.
I won't go into detail as to how I know that Steve-o was trying to go 'on the low down' as the kids say. (Get out of the lime light) But it was a personal converstation he had with a very good friend of mine who I trust completely to tell the truth and it was so long ago that it would not bare upon today.
His 'wanting go out of the lime light / press' then doing such 'stupid shit' (I guess I saw that word here - some one called Palco Law suit that - and for SURE what Steve-o pulled with the villa rosea or what ever its called - land weirdness is nothing less then totally stupid shit.
Here is my take on what went down knowing very little of the cast - but knowing human and lawer nature - at least SOME lawers!
Steve-o was "mr big" saving the poor helpless pot growers for years (make of that what you will - what I'm saying is that all to many "pot" or drug attonrys live vicariosly though there clinets. The attonry doesn't have the "balls" to do anything illegal himself but he gets off on fliting with that world. some are like this some are really nice people trying to help others - in a fair way - beleiving in what they do and taking low money in returne (okay that's like 5% or something - but they are out there! I know some nice attonrys who take all kinds of cases among them drug cases BUT they have LIVES other then the drug cases and don't 'flirt' with the sub-cluter)
On the other hand there are peridotry attonrys that do pray and 'get off' on drug cases - makes them feel like they are 'part of the action'
--- or something --
what happened to Steve-o is that frist p215 and Terry's 10 / LB limits drop the drug (pot) cases signifcantly. Next Paul's 100 sq ft 99 plants, then the Board of Sups 100 sq ft - and that's it No limits limits. Made it darn near impossable for him to feed his kids in the way he was used to - dependent on POT arrests and moneied pot cases coming up ...
So about then is when my friend happened upon him - or a stack of his cards at a hydro store ... and my freind was telling me laughing about it .. .
"My how the mighty have fallen - one good thing is it put attonrys who pray on MJ people out of work!"
Later my freind was contacted by Steveo (intro-ed though freinds of freinds = typical humboldt intro) as someone who wanted to help ...
(Ya I read that as someone to help them selves TOO someone one else = not help)
As I understand my freind spoke to hime several times - but couldn't understand what Steve-o was selling - what kind of 'protection' he was offering agianst whom?
My freind told him "if I'm with in current guidelines what do I need you for?"
Steve-o suggested that with his 'master plan' he could ALMOST insure safety from the Feds!
well this sounded like the utmost in Hurbers to my freind so he tried to back out of any dealings with Steve-o but low and behold Steve-o told him he was too 'out in the open' ... that he (Steve-o) was distancing him self from the lime light - and that he was worried about my freind who is pretty open about what he does. Feeling that he's legal with in the confines of p215 and sb420.
so Steve-o and my buddy parted with Steve-o admonishing him about being so open. (My friend feels if your not doing anything illegal, then what is the problem? Steve-o never answered that!)
Well imagine the belly laughs when suddenly Steve-o is found in the middle of this 'growing land scam'
I tell you I saw images of it - and I (in all too many years up here) haven't seen anything like this since the early 80's at the lates - ie PER CAMP!
It was the lamest thing I ever saw! the images at the Board of Sups on TPZ day (day two the protest).
Here was cat skined flats with non-permited cabins on them - culverts dumped in and back fill into creeks!
and Rows of green houses ... I mean it was shades of Lye Rock and the old Fortuna bunch back in the 1970's! YEE HAW!!!
Then when I heard Steve-o Schect-myster as the HEAD of this thing and knowing that he had hooked up with a 'group' in LA to fight the Land Lord letters (Steve-o's got some deep experance in that sort of thing)
What I thought was 'oh Gawd Yup that was why Steve-o wanted to go 'low key' because he was courting the latins to work with or they him - or HE SOLD them that his 'plan' would work --
and some one ran this crazy 1970's like trip on him .. it was amazing - totally insain - I was stuned ... I kept waiting for some obsucre of bold mention of medical - but nothing! No club(s) came forth from the LA area 'bung' that Steve-o was repersenting in Fed law suit to go "Oh those were for us!"
-- as no Berkley club said anything was part of theirs - in that part of the raids.
From my point of veiw - which in one way is very diffrent then yours Rose - it was a stuning example of a total screw up - run by some one that had NO idea of what they were doing - NO idea of present law or felt they were above that law ...
(what ever you fell about p215 and WE MAY aggree more then you know - or maybe not) ... this was NOTHING ANYONE ANY WHERE could justtify nor did they try to.
It was also so "old school" I wondered how they thought they'd get away with it. I just wanted to say to who ever did it - planed it "LOOK STUPID THEY GOT PLANES NOW _ THEY FLY - the old days of 'keep it out of sight of the road" died out 30 to 40 years ago!"
also I'd want to say "Look idiot - putting fences across forest service roads is rule #1 verboten!" (they did this too!)
All this SMACKED so much of someone that had NO IDEA of what they were doing and such HURBERS + the total lack of MMJ (p215) conections anywhere ...
I wonder is Steve-o that stupid? His this Hedlund that stupid?
Who or what was that stupid to think tht this plan would fly anywhere / let alone here?
I've still got my mouth open in wonder over this one ..
who what why where when and WTF???
anyway - its pertty ovius that who ever did it had NO IDEA what they were doing - almost like someone who EITHER - had only listend to old stories ... and never had kept up with what was going on in the feild .. (pun)
OR was from down south and 'moved to the hills' and thought that 'this was the wild' so they could do what ever they wanted ...
I don't know who sold what "bill of goods' to whom -- ie did Steve-o tell some people down south "hay this is far enough out!"
Or did someone down south push Steve-o into doing this ...
either way POT ATTONRY is NOT some one to go to for 'grow' suggestions and or the other way around ..
again I still can't get a handle on anything that stupid!
latin gangs? - or what or is this Hedland that stupid? or was Steve-o or all 3 or ???
Thanks for the info. I know of at least one instance where Schectman allegedly pulled the "I've got the DA, don't you know who I am? Fuck with me and I'll (or the DA) will destroy you" kind of thing - very intimidating. And it involved a (fairly) young college age kid who I am sure had no idea what he was involved in.
ReplyDeleteSo I'm not buying the "he resigned from Vilica on February argument."
What gets me about him is that he has been commanding all this press for him being a champion of the environment - going after Palco, getting on the cover of the Journal (and I found one even more insipid piece elsewhere), and, then looking at the Vilica slides, demonstrating quite clearly that he has no regard for the environment in his own dealings - just as you describe... now in his letter to the Sups he claims it was all done by Paradise Palms but that he took full responsibility for clean-up.
I am getting a little sick of the Clintonesque "I take full responsibility" line as if it excuses everything. Sorry Josh, it doesn't, but you've already found that out...
Have you thought about going on the record as an un-named source with someone like Hank? It is an amazing story. And one that really needs to be told.
Rose said...
ReplyDeleteSo here's my question, anon - looking beyond the oh-Schectman-is-oh-so-altruistic-helping-the-poor-medical-mj-patients feel to some of that coverage, how many other kids has this guy hung out to dry?
"Cause I don't think Hedlund is the only one.
Oh I didn't really address this in the above post (anon 8:52) I'll try to do it here ...
You see I don't think that it was Schectman that hung out hedlund – nor the other way around – there is a whole nother ‘player’ in this that we’re not seeing or addressing.
Doesn’t it seem ODD to anyone else but me that Steve-o didn’t have the cash to do vila-nova or what ever? Did Hedlund? I mean that is a pricey piece of turf the down must have been sizable, you seem to know Hedlund better then I as I don’t know him at all. But I do know that Steve-o was ‘abulance chacing’ but a year or 2 a go … another words the “pot grower busts” had dried up so badly that he was dropping off stacks of his business cards at grow shops .. and I too don’t see Steve-o as the type of attonry who took a vow of poverty (or even middle class) to the point that his charity would extend to dropping of cards out of good will at Hyrdo stores.
So you got Steve-o broke – looking for work …
And what about this Hedlund? Did he have the type of money to fund these huge land buys and warehouse in Bezerkly? Et al?
-- if so then I’m wrong --
BUT if he did NOT – then my thoughts run to that they whole thing came out of Steve-o having this idea that came out in his law suit against the feds.
(which is that the Fed can’t use forfeiture laws as a stick before the fact of a court case … and after all that broke – it seems that he was right – infact I did some hunting and it would seem that Steve-o’s ideas are based in English Coman law as far back as the Magna Carta – for what ever that is woth – and we probably don’t want the “king” coming around taking our lands – because he suspects something is going on he don’t like .. blab la –
NOW I’m not expect you to agree with me – just laying out the ‘rap’ that I assume Steve-o used to get the “buy in” from the clubs down south LA MMJ clubs et al
Now the item that I belive steve-o didn’t know (and as I say if you tell me that Hedland had enough cash to float this whole thing – land buys warehouse(s?) et al – then this thory is worng –
But what the whole thing SMEELED LIKE TO ME – was Steve-o got the Buy in of the clubs in LA – but he had NO IDEA of who or what he was dealing with …
(now I could be wrong – as I said – I have no idea of any of this – just what crossed my mind when I saw the whole villa-nova thing – and went “what the F*!!! is that - its like totally 1970’s old school red neck vs. any thing close to what people do today … “
Okay – I just want that totally a disclaimer = I do NOT KNOW –
But my thoughts ran to “Oh shit I bet that Dumb ass Shecman got involved over his head – this thing is too crazy for him to do – so what happned? He must have gotten involved with some Latin types in LA (I’m told that several – all to many of the some 400 clubs in the greater LA area are run or backed by Latin types = say no more!)
So Steve-o goes down there – playing the “bright boy” and runs into more problems then he imagined – sure they pick his brain and let him run the FED law suit for them – and then they go “we gona make you an offer you can’t refuse”
And start tossing cash at him to buy ‘some grow turf’ and Steve-o knows NOTHING ABOUT THAT SORT OF THING = he an attorney not a grower …
So Hedland shows up going “Oh I got this great idea” and goes BONZO on land a rock toss from Arcata – or blue lake – I mean that ain’t the woods – but Steve-o don’t know it and hedland is some local (excuse me please) dumb shit kid (?) who is acting BIG and goes out pushs some dirt around and tosses up these cabins (illegal buildings) pushs dirt and clovers into creeks – fucks up the land – does illegal subdivides – and just tears it all a new asshole (if you’ll excuse my French here rose) –
And he’s funded by these Latin Mr. Bigs –
My supostion that Hedland is a DUMB SHIT is based upon this simple fact – the GROW WAS THE DUMBEST THINK I’ve seen in living here for some 30+ years! Only things CLOSE to this dumb were (and I’ve seen some dumb grows! And growers!!!)
Only thing close to this was:
a.) when KIDS from So Cal would move up here and put in HUGE FIELDS thinking they were ‘far out in the woods’ (cir 1980’s) and in fact then a spotter plane would pick them up and they were the frist to go when CAMP kicked off
b.) and this one is forgiven – when CAMP frist started – and busted lots of the Fortuna Old Boys / grower loggers – and Eureka old boy set – and their timber people who were out on there land – planting up and for years had gotten away with it – because the Shairff didn’t’ fly – or was friends of there’s (you all remember old Davy boy Renner right?)
c.) the ‘close of the forest service road with a gate’ trick was again done by SO CAL KIDS who thought they were “in the deep woods” when in fact the opening of summer – there their ‘patch’ and ‘gate’ was right in the middle of a tourist resort.
(The silliest one of those was apx 1985 when a ‘kid’ spent all this time prepping grows right before the winter – then early spring – only to find that it was right next to a HUGE Christian Summer Camp!)
Anyway – NONE OF THIS LOOKED LIKE IT WAS DONE BY ANYONE THAT HAD ANY FAMILURAITY WITH GROWING OR THE “lay of the land” in Humboldet – so that’s why I’m calling Headland an IDIOT and if he’s a local – then he’s an idiot local – and if he’s from the city – well that makes total sence! = then its typical – but since you said “I know your father and he’s a nice guy” I assume that he’s from up here .. so there for just some punk bragert kid – who with Hubers Steve-o just about did the stupidest grow I’ve ever seen!
So if this kid is a dumb ass then how did he come by the money to set this up? That is the question – again Steve-o was broke – and the TIE IN WITH THE SO CAL CLUBS really have me wondering …
Knowing what I do of the LA clubs – or what I hear from the people down there – and also what we ALL READ in our papers about how they’ve taken over so many area’s in Cal for growing .. state parks and all
If this is true – and this was financed by Latin money then Headland has nothing to say to no one – unless he “buys into” the consept of protetive custody or something like that .. other wise you’ll see that he’s the CUT OUT person in all this – But I don’t think it was Steve-o that pushed him into this – I feel that Headland steped up! = Like “Oh I’m a big grower – I know what to do … “
To blame Steve-o for doing his lawer thingy – which he’s trained to do – and getting involved with people that the MOMENT you or I SMELL tough our “Sooby Senses” that something is DEFINANTLY NOT KOSHER – we cut and run like hell …
If there is a “WRONG” here – that’s what it is – and I PRAY YOU ALL take this to hart and kindly tell your friends …
Here is a story – a woman I know – an cancer patient in LA – and an RN – was ‘trying to help the movement” (for real) and so she was vollentering down at a club … he hubby had died of cancer just a while before so she was tossing her self into chartaibal works and doing book keeping for some of the clubs …
How did I find out? She called me one day – franticly saying “oh my gawds I picked up some extra papers to take home by mistake when I went to take the stuff I was going to work on – it looks like this is Latin Gang stuff – I read enough Spainsh to know that this is scary stuff.
I said “run like hell – tell them you are so up set with the lose of your husband that you can’t go on any more – and that you want time off – get anything of yours out of there – and put distaince between you and them ASAP – with out seeming like your doing so.”
(Not phycal – just cut them off)
She said “what if I’m wrong?”
I said, “what if your NOT? Your smart – you’re an RN – and SO WHAT if your worng – you can go help some other club some where else … “
She left – and never looked back – until about 6 or 8 months later friends of friends had all kinds of problems then they DEA closed them down with ‘gang ties’ in the press release.
I can see Steve-o NOT LISTENING to his ‘Scooby Senses” and / or thinking he was smart enough to get around it – and then it all closed in on him – and Headland – of course I look at the mess that Headland made out there – the images at the Board of Sups were amazing – loging like flats pushed out and row houses of green houses like it was the Blub Farm in Arcata bottomes or something ..
Who ever did it did NOT HAVE CLUE ONE on what they were doing .. or where they were .. that’s why I think Headland is an idiot who took Steve-o for a BRAG RIDE, “Oh I know what I’m doing man – its cool”
Of all the things I’d callthat mess the one word I would NOT use is “cool” – LAME JUMPS to mind right away .. or 1970’s – or punks from LA – in the 1980’s but today???
Ship of fools … and Steve-o don’t know how to use a cat or would push dirt - or get his hands dirty – his kind of attonry don’t do that stuff!
Anyway – I hope that is of some help – I keep waitng for some explanation of the INSTANITY that this represents … and I can’t get my head around it any closer then I’ve done here – its just TOO F*CKEN WEIRD! It don’t fit in any known skeem I can come up with – other then idiots leading idiots ..
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ReplyDeleteThanks for the info anon, great post. That adds a whole other dimension to this thing. We only need to look south to Mexico and Columbia to see what can happen when narco trafficers are allowed to get out of hand. Mom and Pop growers are one thing but when organised crime gets involved they might as well be growing cocaine. Maybe all those cop and good ol boy haters might want to reconsider their view of law enforcment; sure abuses occur but law enforcment plays a vital role in our society. If it becomes corrupted hell on earth ensues.
2/07/2008 12:40 PM
The greatest thing about Humboldt its been able to keep this sort of thing out, thanks to the diligent work of Sgt. Wayne Hanson and his team, as well as the help of local people. Grow shops and privet parties alike band together to keep this crap out of Humboldt.
As you so well put it “mom and pop growers are one thing” … but when you walk into a grow shop or Persions or where ever and there is someone who doesn’t speak English with an empty bag of grow chemicals asking (pointing) for more and wanting huge quatnites of them, someone writes down a license number. As I suggested before go watch “Home Grown” – its supposed to be mendo – but Mendo is over whelmed because they did nothing to stop this sort of thing, “Mom and Pop growers” are intimidated out of there homes and their ranches; violence means nothing to these people from south of the border, the feeling in the hills of Mendo has changed .. so say friends who grew up there …
One tells me of a bunch of Latin people carrying gas and propane containers to a waiting helicopter. Yup we need to do what ever it takes (LEGALLY) to keep this crap out of Humboldt! Org Crime and gangs have periced the cities, I was at a meeting last night and hear that Guns are becoming a problem at the Teen center in Eureka.
I said, “My kid used to go there just a couple of years ago it was fine!”
The woman said “Oh it just started last spring.”
I hope all you ‘pro-growth’ people know what your asking for – what do you think all us transplants got the heck out of ‘down south’ to avoid, and you want to make Humboldt, Eureka et al into that? Walmart and gangs – like the horse and carriage, love and marriage – like the old song goes, “can’t have one with out the OTHER!”
Okay back on Point – lets keep that sort of thing out of Humboldt we got enough problems with who is here already with out adding “out side agitators” and I never thought I’d say “and a SHOUT OUT TO WAYNE HANSON for being so good at taking care of it” but I just did! – you go MAD DOG!
Oh and Headland - if its ALL about you - then I guess I was totally wrong and you had MILLIONS to put the down payment on the verious properties? RIGHT? RIGHT? .. humm
Sorry guy - but if you didn't - then its pertty clear your taken the rap cause you got in over your head - I wouldn't want to be in your shoes - if you didn't have the millions to put down - someone need to tell the 'local boys' not to play with the Latin kids - they bite HARD - and permenent
Best give them a wide berth - plenty for a local boy to 'play with' with out going to them for 'help' -- so sorry for you and yours ...
Not sure, but I have heard that he only put $500,000 down on the Eel River Properties. Josh? Don't want to be talkin' about you if you can weigh in, you are welcome to do so.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I found curious is that one of those LLCs, Paradise Palms, Haven Kozak got a Loan from a company that seems to loan alot of money to truckers and day care and landscapers.. haven't really had time to look at it critically, that was just my off-the-cuff observation. Maybe nothing, but I found it curious.
Well Josh is not so much stupid as blinded by unbielevable greed and arrogance. From what I uderstand he accumulated his massive wealth by a combination of hard work and screwing people over. He should have known that he could not pull of either the Berkeley grow or the Humboldt ones. I believe he thought he would be saved by plausible deniablity, that he was smarter than everyone else and that when the hammer came down others would take the blame (and he'd keep the money). Well I think he has since learned that the feds may be many things but stupid is not one of them; especially when it comes to the US Attorney.
ReplyDeleteRose I must say, it kinda kills me that it seems you look on Josh with such sympathy.(because you seem like a good person who cares about the community) If you only knew the truth; I would hate to see him pull the wool over your eyes because you have a soft spot for his father. But as they say: the dirt all comes out in the wash, in due time.
ReplyDeleteThat's a tough one, 10:36. For a long time I was the most anti-pot person I knew. I saw alot of my friends get involved in the 70s, saw them get mixed up with people from Salmon Creek (college age, smart) - and those people had babies and kids. they were growing dope, making money, were on welfare and WIC.
ReplyDeleteI was disgusted by it - by the cheating, and by the cavalier risk they were taking with their family's lives. The Dad was risking that he would go away to prison, and leave them with no Dad.
I don't comprehend how a person does that - especially a college educated, smart person, who had such promise.
If only they would have turned their botanical knowledge towards growing better tomatoes they could have fed the world, instead they chose to kill male plants and foster female buds with a passion unmatched by any orchid grower.
I have become a bit more tolerant because it is not part of may life at all, and I forget that people even still smoke it, on some level.
So, no, on the one hand I have no sympathy whatsoever - this was a choice he made, he broke a whole slew of laws, he risked people's lives, and he risked his family's well being.
On the other hand, though, there's a human being there. And that human being somehow evokes my compassion. Not sympathy, I don't think. Not respect, either. But sorrow. For what he could have been and done, and for what his family is going through now. I can only imagine what a Dad is feeling. A pain no man should feel.
Ok, I can agree with that
ReplyDeletedon't agree so easily..were hedlund the man he says "family" etc. he wouldn't do what he does for business or pleasure...no pity for sociopaths who feel no empathy, remorse, recognition, etc... and Rose,watch out... he's good girl... i believed him.... but he is not what he seems... you are right, there is a human in there, but he has lost his way, which is hurting the way we live by here... family includes community... we all take care.... of each other.... i am yet to see him move selflessly..i think?.. and would love to see him move south.... Big talkers fit in better there.... and keep looking in to the financing...i bet it'll get better...... i am disappointed there is so much ammo... i was feeling bad about myself seeing how together he seemed.... but i guess it just seemed that way... i don't know what to believe about the clubs and the latins and that, but the guy has two kids, and i imagine facing life versus 20 would be worth saying i am guilty... was he even there??? i thought he just rented the building to them??? but i also thought he just sold property....sad , i know... keep on... you all provide some entertainment.. i cant imagine how he feels, with a large part of his life no longer.... what is it you all are talking about this for??? like what end result do you hope for blogging about??? this is new to me so i am curious... ??? Or is it just local soap opera shit??? either way, it is what it is..... the fewer people get hurt, the better.
ReplyDelete11:32 I think different people contribute to these blog threads for different reasons. I hope to let the community know about Hedlund. And don't worry I still think he is a twisted evil person but I also believe in redemption as an ideal. I know what you mean about him being a sociopath without empathy or remorse; he is also a very deceptive and manipulative individual. He comes off like a choir boy but is really far from it. I hope that as more people become aware of him it will be harder for him to hurt anyone else. I really think he has an addiction to money that blinds him to immorality of his actions. I hope he will change but I have my doubts.
ReplyDeletei dont worry... i know who he is,twisted and evil might even be going to far.. he is just confused..possibly by money...power...status... i feel sorry that he isn't living up to his fullest potential.. we all have our struggles.. redemption is something he will pursue if he feels its necessary...or he will move back to the city...where half of him wants to be.... i wish no ill will on anyone, i just wish people were true to themselves... he holds (held) himself as better than others...arrogant, manipulating, etc. so what has he learned??? maybe that if you are already in some trouble you should just call it good....rather than prolong and widen circles. that move was selfish.... hedlund should have left our county alone .... you hope he will change?? what would redemption be???
ReplyDeleteRedemption might start with fully and sincerely acknowledging the wrongs he has done, the damage and hurt he has caused and righting them as best he can. Including those wrongs not proven in a court of law but no less legitimate nonetheless.
ReplyDeleteyes that is one way...maybe redemption has already begun... i wish him the best.... in court and out....
ReplyDeleteand can we spell his name right or is that out of spite??????? Hedlund....not headland :)
ReplyDeleteAs to why post about this? It's wanting to know the truth about the situation. The who what where when why, and what does it mean, how does it affect others, what place does it have in the overall big picture...
ReplyDeleteFor this blog, Hedlund might have been just a notation except for the involvement of Schectman, who has played a significant role in the story of Gallegos and Salzman et al.
I'm saying it again, this was a man with the hubris to put himself forward as a DA candidate. That means he would have been in a position to put people away for growing. He jumps up and down screaming about environmental degradation on Palco's part, and then lo and behold the hypocrisy... It's stunning really.
More than that, Schectman is a man who was given the keys to the DA's Office, let in as a PRO-BOBO lawyer.
Why?
And what are the implications? That is also stunning. When you put it in context with Vilica and what is obviously going on.
You, anonymous, are writing about a world none of us can comprehend. Another planet. I've heard about the SoHum kids, and the reality they grow up in and the things that they take for granted, it's another world. Like kids that grow up in the ghetto streets with drive by shootings and dealing all around, it is another reality. Some people manage to pull themselves out of that environment. Some don't.
But the rest of the world can't even imagine your reality.
So it's fascinating, because understanding it helps put things in perspective. I appreciate what you have said, and I am trying to understand. Some of it still makes no sense. But Thank You. Am I way off base here?
Ooops - dang typos! PRO BONO! LOL.
ReplyDeleteRose said...
ReplyDeleteThat's a tough one, 10:36. For a long time I was the most anti-pot person I knew. I saw alot of my friends get involved in the 70s, saw them get mixed up with people from Salmon Creek (college age, smart) - and those people had babies and kids. they were growing dope, making money, were on welfare and WIC.
I was disgusted by it - by the cheating, and by the cavalier risk they were taking with their family's lives. The Dad was risking that he would go away to prison, and leave them with no Dad.
and how to you feel about the owner of the orignal Samon Creek ranch and all the "Good Old Boys" who cut up ranchs back then illegaly or what ever. Like Ken and Linda (paragons of our comunity?) and so forth?
Its okay for local logger ranchers to sell of parcles and make a killing on these sales. But then go "oh my gawds these kids were growing - I'm SCHOCKED!" Same with the realstate agents who cashed in and devlopers who 'cut' the peices up did the plot plans for them et al.
It was a county wide boon-game with Renner and the rest playing too.
You act like "oh my gosh this incompatnce in the DA's office is something new!" - I'm SHCOKED!
Right rose - and you've lived here HOW LONG?
David Renner used to tell people who went to his church at coffee after where he was going to bust.
The DA would pull parcel maps and then call the people too! This place was dirty (er?) then that it is now - I'm not posting this up top or on your current rant / posting - just way down here - on this post - so its not in anyones face of the people you need to convince that this used to be MAYBERRY and all 'harts and flowers' untill ...
Lets see now its deem dirty growers got here in the 1970's
Before dat you say its since Paul and Salstman got here (lets see Ricahrd has been here for what 5 years now) and Paul = 10 total + what 5 in office?
Sure is an UNSTABLE place dis here Humboldt Co if two or three "out to lunch bunch" kids can up set it so...
Yup and I can't spell - and Nope I don't bother spell checking - so save our use your AdHom attacks as you will ...
and Nope I'm too busy to learn or bother with it ...
some of us work for a livin' and only climb in here when we get a quick chance -- oh oh late lunch is over got to go ...
Still think that shot of AUNT BEE is awefully telling - Rose --
"I'm shocked!"
Oh my gosh - like what's his name in Cassablanca the cop that goes "oh my gawds there is gambling going on here! I'm shocked!"
(where do you want your winning sir) peter lorry comes up and says ...
That's what this becomes like sometimes over here Rose - your insistance on some "good old days" is BS as far as I can see ...
Its just a new batch that are doing it ..
as one of the Boys at the PINK house said to me - you know the one across the street from that big Green one over in Old Town ... one day ..
"You know the problem with Paul is he don't stay bought!"
I wonder if this is what some of the 'problem' people have with him vs. the other DA's and law enforcement that we've had over the years that are so BAD!
the other ones ate breakfast with Ken, Lye, Jack and the rest and traded info .. or 'jaw jacked' with them ...
anyway such is life - and You have several great days!
I hear what you are saying - and all I can really say is this... it is too bad that blogging and the internet weren't around back then, maybe it would have enabled people to stand up and say something. Maybe they would have had a chance to present the documents that backed up what you are saying, and make their case, and maybe it would have made a difference.
ReplyDeleteI can't speak to what i don't know. I got into this issue because of what Salzman said, and what I saw developing, and a sense that knowing that, I had to stand up and say something. I could have turned my head the other way. Many many times I wish I had.
No, I wasn't SHOCKED, back in those days, that fast became the norm. Doesn't make it right.
But we're a long shot from people growing for themselves (which is what I believe 215 was intended for) - this is now into huge money making criminal enterprises using compassionate use as a cover and a legal shield/
Maybe legalization would solve it. Maybe not. I'm surprised at times that my generation hasn't long since legalized it and playing semantic games with the issue is - I don't know - offensive?
Yeah. No matter what, things were more innocent back then. Was there corruption? Sure. Is there still? Sure. If you see it, stand up and do something about it.
I will add this - corruption isn't just the stereotypical old white guy in a back room - don't be fooled by pretty young people with nice sounding groups, pretending to care about your issues.
ReplyDeleteCorruption comes in many guises.
Rose said...
ReplyDeleteI hear what you are saying - and all I can really say is this... it is too bad that blogging and the internet weren't around back then, maybe it would have enabled people to stand up and say something. Maybe they would have had a chance to present the documents that backed up what you are saying, and make their case, and maybe it would have made a difference.
Gawds are you / were you really that blind or just out of the loop?
You don't remember when Lyle Rock died and the bank was busted into and the only thing that was 'hit' was Lyle's bank depo. box.
Rose are yoou really from Humboldt? (just kidding!)
And you don't remember Kenny & Linda B's ranchs being busted?
And some how them "walking" and leaving a local boy to take the rap and do the time?
I could go on and on, your so "Oh my gosh this NEW wave of BS!"
It's the same just new (more inept) players that's all.
I can't speak to what i don't know. I got into this issue because of what Salzman said, and what I saw developing, and a sense that knowing that, I had to stand up and say something. I could have turned my head the other way. Many many times I wish I had.
Gawds you really sound like a new-be - Saltsman is! He's been here for like 5 years or so - that's all! ... Paul 10 and been in office what 5 years?
Gawds this place was so rampent with realtors (good republican ones) laughting about "oh I can't beleive how much land we're selling. Ever other person in my office is some kid from LA wanting to buy a South Facing 40 with water gravity feed. I can't create them (cut up ranchs into 40s) fast enough!
the old boys we're playing to (in fact much better then the transplants!!! = Hell take a local logger or rancher kid who is used to work and they get up early and bust ass - wether its their dad's ranch or their own pot feilds. And the local 'kids' knew where the precfect area's were and also had tons of turf (dads logging places) to run their fields on.
I remember the frist Local GROW Op I saw when I got up here. I had seen some hippy so. hum types before ... and I just went "DAMN PIKERS thouse KIDS from LA were!"
Local boys were runinng tree planting crews on one side of the hill and MJ planting ones on the other.
MOM Pop = shit Rose = OLD BOYS Sons grew more weed / or almost as much as the Mexican Mafia types do now. They make the biggesst transplant (LA) grow look like nothing. these local 'land barons sons' would get huge work forcesof forgine types from the city. I remember a Uhaul truck full of people who sure as hell didnt speak engislh back in the early 80s ... and the 'boys' laughing -
"Ya I got me a crew cheif that was in Veitnam - speaks some so we just went down to SF and picked up a whole crew!"
It was like the wild west.
No, I wasn't SHOCKED, back in those days, that fast became the norm. Doesn't make it right.
Yup and you will NEVER say that on the front page of your blog and for that i laugh at all your pounderius statements about how "bad" Paul and the people who come and go around him are ...
Its a Joke Rose to try to tke the high ground - when you KNOW THE TRUTH -
I'm so glad this / we're / our converstaiton is BURIED way back here - and so you woun't have to come out in some 'he said she said" arument.
Fact is that if you didnt know wht was going on uphere back then - then you weren't PART of Humboldt Co. crowd just like Saltsman and Sheckman and Miller are NOT part of it to day ...
BTW - you know what I call them?
"the out to lunch bunch"
because they are totally out to lunch on what is going on in Humboldt - who they are talklig to ..
1/2 the people in posstions of power (or more) are TAINTED with MJ money - from the jump! = from the 70's
many people you and others think are "cool" or "good" are filthy with it (if that's what you want to call it)
Backed by OLD GAURD MJ money - much more then Paul was ever backed by MMJ or any of that money!
-- chuckle -- I know of one MMJ person who TRIED to give a NEW (out to lunch) person running for office CASH and they wouldn't take it -- funny most all of the "old guard' have NO PROBLEM taking ANY kind of money period. (that new person running for office lost to someone I drink with in a red neck bar now and then and I've heard lauded by you and yours here and else where)
-- so your as 'out to lunch' as the new out to lunch bunch - or just lieing
Now that sounds nasty - and I didn't mean it that way - I just ment that IF you 'turned your head' back then - you had to be lieing to your self.
Do you know - or perhaps you 'split' your thinking on this -
Here's what I mean - do you know the AMOUNT of large 'good business' (I'm talking like BIG MAJOR ones = not 'dress shops inold town' - I'm talking BIG HUGE hire lots of empoly make / manufactor types!
Here in Humboldt that are funded by OLD BOY pot money.
Here's what happned - the "hippies" moved up her after 1967 because SF / Height Ashbury went down the tubes with hard ddrugs - and the 'back to the land' thing went on
Many of them smoked pot - they brought it with them - went back to LA or SF to buy it and borught it back and since they were growing their own food - and everything else (or trying to) they planted some pot.
(oh btw - the POORer ones moved HERE - richer were closer to SF - and so forth - down the line)
At the same time some info came around on how to make pot better - two items =
a.) pull the males
b.) breed stronger strains
(just like any crop)
So what happned is - you had these 'hippy kids' dumping CASH into the Econ_ and also plenty moving up here scrambing to buy land..
YOU KNOW THAT PART - or are aware in your mind of it --
the part that you are eithe UNAWARE of - or don't think about (split away in your mind = to some how make it 'okay' or 'like it didn't happen')
is that TONS of local people got in on that too ..
when I moved here (cir early 70's) it was NOT a hippy who turned me on to POT it was a local - I went to work and a LOCAL yound woman went "you got a late start where are your plants - youll need plants"
I was STUNED (really) I was (back then) a jock and didn't think about mj - i had heard it was up here but assumed that it was with hippies in the hills ...
Boy was I wrong - I had bought property in the Eel River delta area - and everyone I frist met was 'red neck / local' for lack of a better word - and tey ALL grew pot! ...
it wasnt for a year - untill I met (re-met = I had known them from the city) some SO HUM "HIPPY TYPES"
after that - I felt like I had a foot in both camps (local and hippy if you will) and was invited to see verious opperations (pot farms) and I sware the locals did it "better' (more agressivly) thenn the hippies ever did (for gawds sake their hippies = their screw ups ..
(joke brake: A freind made this up - said it was because he had both on his crews ..
"Do you knjnow the diffrence betwene a Hippy and a local/red necks?"
Answer: "locals/red necks can fix what they brake!
Okay back on point - what ever the hell it was --
another MAJOR bunch of local growers were the kids - of locals - who wanted more or what ever then their dad's gave them - and had the health and the work ethic to go out on their own and grow MAJOR crops
But like I say in many cases it was the "old man" who was in on it too ..
If you really lived here - and had your eyes open you MUST have been part of this in some way - didn't you Rose?
Everyone had an uncle or a dad or son or something that grew - back cir 1970's ...
Everyone seemed to have a story about how they had brakefast with some Law Enforcment / or DA type who told them when the busts were coming ... gawds it was epademic up here - as far as I knew of ...
again i'm glad this post is burried so you MAY dig deep and go "you knnow your right - gawds I had forgotten how rampent growing and corruption was back then"
and Terry Farmer? - and Dave Renner?
Gawds lady Rose person - when they ran - I recall the 'word in the hills is 'they are cool"
a DA suppored by "POT MONEY" = are you talking about PAUL or TERRY ...
gawds! -- of course Terry's pot money came from "good citizans" who grew - so that may make some diffrence - and Renner - gawds his family had a huge grow!
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Oh well as your 'out' you can go "oh there was no blog then other wise I'd have said something"
there was LTE's = letters to the editor - how many of those ddid you write?
Not a one - maybe that's part of it - maybe back then NOT ONLY was it rampent - but you (like many) had the carrot and stick thing going -
a.) these were your 'friends and family' so you tended to 'ignor' it like it wasn't happening (oh their such nice people)
b.) their was the FEAR of repercusion if you did speak out - not on the surface - but maybe some where ....
I can feel it as I write this - and some of these people from 'back then' are dead - others are falling as I type ...
Still its a bit of a betrail - or fear or repercustion to even HINT at this stuff ..
please think about what I'm saying =
its SAFE to attack the bumblings of Salstman and Sheckman and Miler cause their out siders - to do the same when Ken B. was in the paper as owner of the SAME SORT OF GROW OP that Sheckman just got - or Hedlend (sp? = gawds I'm bad at it) got hit with - same thing = had a worker - and everyone talked (amoung them selves - and kidded Kenny about it) .. but no one wrote a LTE about it no "my words" on hwo Kenny was getting HUUGE bucks from pot money ... that all got sweept under the rug - and some 'poor kid' took the rap for him ..
if you will - like (again if you will) Hedlend is taking the rap for Steve-o - if that is the case -
(btw - I still think feel that their is (and since its buryed way back here - I'll say it Mecian Mafia is involved =
those LA shops are scarry - i've got freinds who still live down there - and they tell me that its 'gang-star' kids running stuff in some of the shops -
and I'm pertty sure that the Mom and Pop shops can't efford to mount a Fed Case and hire Steve-o to ...
Oh AND HELL - Mom and Pop shops aren't being 'hit' (nessearly) as much or at all - comparied to these 'gang opperated' type shops
= I love it when people go to me "why do they take some and not the rest?"
I say "read the paper - seems like everyone they hit says "gang land involvement" ...
and also I get that same thing from my friends in the city - "Oh those were bad apples"
So thinking like that = Bad apples being hit (for gawds sakes the US Gov could take them ALL out at once! couple of days ...they don't shoot back - and its not like they got to look for them - their in the open!)
-- okay so Steve-o gets this 'bright idea' on how to make a buck by selliing this idea to the clubs in LA - but wht he doesn't know is that a bunch are Mex Mafia owned - and as he figures it out - he's thinking "oh man I can handle these guys"
(WRONG!!!)
next he's being 'offered money to set up a land buy/s' --
Now as to hedlend - I know people (from way back in my college days that were 'just nice kids' who got involved with the WRONG people - and suddenly they have THIS HUGE bust they're involved in and they got to 'shut up and take it' ...
-- I'll post this sperate Roes - BUT lady to say "it was just 500,000 that Hedlen put up"
-- boy so when is 500,000 cash money "not that much?" to come up with ... ???
let alone the other properties and Oakland ware house - as I read it JUST the lgihts for his grow in Oakland would cost 300 or 400,000! = really! ...
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Okay again where does someone as (exuse me french here)
AS FUCKIN DUMB as Hedlend come up with that kind of ENDLESS capatil?
-- I say FUCKIN DUMB because I tell you NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would run a grow up like he did today ...
If you can - go look at the pictures - its INCREADBLE - even in the 1970's no one did that (wello a few logers - in the PRE-fly / Pre-camp days ... )
But those were shut down as soon as camp came though - remember the BIG BUSTS that were the sise of a orchard - in fact an orchard stands there now - an apple one - of all the damn things .. (chuckle)
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anyway that one got off on the 'indica' defence that some hip LA drug attonry was running back then .. worked for a year - got everyone off busted that year - then that loup hole was closed - that was like cir 1978 or so right? - maybe 76 or so???
I'm jjust saying that it wasn't Mom and Pop - even 'back in the day' as the kids now say ... it was MONDO - (as the kids also say) back then too! = HUGE grows and they were by locals - what was that gravle opperater in So Hum sencinced for??? pertty big op_ the Fed grand jury got him - as the local old boy (holy sainted) Terry Farmer and even (RIP) Worth Dykman didn't want to bother proc_ their FRIENDS ...
talk about coruption ??? -- and again whre was Rose's "LTE"'s ??? --- or even a NOD to that now when your on the war path to show how BAD PAUL is ..
I don't give a rats ass I got along FINE with Terry - and I get alongg fine with Paul -- but then I don't do anything illegal in MY business - so nothing to worry about ...
But we're a long shot from people growing for themselves (which is what I believe 215 was intended for) - this is now into huge money making criminal enterprises using compassionate use as a cover and a legal shield/
Rose baby get a GRIP (sorry I had to say that!!! = like I knjow you or something = read what I just wrote above - SEARCH your memory - recall the 1970's what life was life in Humboldt back then ..
that Red Wood Mamorail hopstail CLOSED DOWN its opperations - out side of EMERGANCY ones - during Harvest cause all the LOCAL RN's and LVN's and techs were out 'in the hills helping out with harvest"
that were't no F*n mom and pop - and don't try to tell me south fork was all LA kids - it was LOCALS and BIG local grows! = factory opperations - just like they logs - or rasied cows - locals KNOW how to farm - and so they did this that way to growing TONS of MJ!
--- so now who are you up set with that grows too big p215 they are ALL PIKERS compaired to the OLD BOYS back in the day ...
this one with Hedlend is the ONLY one lately - besides the ATTEMPTED incursions of the Mecican Maifa - that Wayn Hanson has haluted! =with the help of locals NOT wanting that TRASH in this county ...
the old guys who still grow think p215 is a JOKE - that these 'new bes' don't do anything much but talk a good game and at worst screw up some homes - and take a buch of heat for it - their idiots!!!
there are still OLD BOYS in the hilsl = local old boys = pulling 100's of pounds out fo the hills every year like clock work - they don't know Paul - they dont' give a shit about Paul - or anyone - but their crop ... and these are locals --
and knowing OF them - I knnow that this hedlend was a 'yougn stupid buck' who got in over his head, and if he gets SMALL TIME - it will be because the fED knows there is NOTHING he'll say - if he wants to live (and I don't mean that as some vailed threat - as I say i knew kids in the 60's from the city that 'got in the wrong crowd' and just shut up and took the time - and said "oh I had all that on my lonesom! I bought it - I made the money of drug things before" -- when in fact they were just some stupid kid mule running for the big boys ..
wht eever - like I say LOOK at the Hedlen images that the Building Deept took = same presentation they showed at the Board of Sups - go to someone you know that goes - someone local - and go "ever seen anything like this before?"
or even more 'flat" = "what do you think fo this"
and dollers to donunts they'll say "Gaws who is this idiot - what the hell did he think he was doing"
Or "these are from back in 1973 or something right? Not today!"
Maybe legalization would solve it. Maybe not. I'm surprised at times that my generation hasn't long since legalized it and playing semantic games with the issue is - I don't know - offensive?
Well roes - legalization WOULD slove it - one of those public servents I have had a drink or two with - was talking about that - and said "If I perpose the REAL answer - everyone goes crazy. The growers hate me cause they think it will lower the prices - and the Anit growers hate me cause they think I'm being soft on drugs!"
--- REALLY -- anyway some bright boy convinced him that it was okay to set up legiazation and TAXATIOn --
thing is Roee its like BOOZE we tried probition and it didn't work - it drove up the price ...
If you tax and regulate the MJ market - it would drop the price so it would take the ciminal element out of it - shove them back into hard drugs ...
or what ever ...
and drop the price - and TAX that price - and REGULATED who can and can't have it - like tobaco or booze ..
sure kids still get cigrets and alcohole - but they are NOT introduced to other drugs from the person who sells it --
I mean the monent you get involved with MJ - you open up to all kinds of other drugs --
with Booze - you go to a Booze shop - not your cornor dealer
I mean how many BOOOTLEAGERS do you know? - Hills used to be FULL of them - even up here (duh!) - but once it became legal - and taxed - it was over .. some c"ame in from the cold" (Kenndy's, Segrums and the like) others stayed out - maifa and them bad guys ...
Now not saying that Kennedy is a good thing - but its a damn site better then the Mafia .. at least kennedy paid taxes (that's a joke = your supposed to smile)
Yup ligaization si the awnswer - tax and regluate -- its a BIG movement that (gosh) gets NO SUPPORT = from the pot people (illegal ones) nor the Nay saysers! = people against support - but its slowly coming ... and when it dose all this POT crap will be reluated to the same 'big news' as someone who does home brewing for fun or makes a 5 gal's of wine for X-mas gifts or something = or grows tomattos at home = its NOT cost effective (nessearly) to grow your own tomatos - or grow to re-sell - like it is POT - and if you legaized POT = same thing would happen ... I mean you could grow tobbaco at home under lights - but even at the high taxed prices WHY BOTHER?
Yeah. No matter what, things were more innocent back then.
Nope - I disaggee - there more inosent now - back then we all knew - but the players were so big and scary we didn't dare say anything (I mean you going to talk out against the Rock's? -- Lyle? or his brotherss? - they could CRUSH you - and yours - and nothing think twice!
Or point out that Kenny and Renner had after church bruch together every sunday - and some how when the cops got to any of kennny's ranchs all the weed was gone ...
I guess you only may have saw that as "Drug task force foild on raid again" in the TS - and a list of who owned the property (Kenny and Linda B .. but hay they addopt all those kids - and are such nice people - who'd say anythingabout them???)
no one was inocent - Now youcan say anything you about anyone - and feel safe - Hedland can't do crap against you - nor can Steve-o or Miller or Sheckman or Salstman - or any of them ...
and so that maybe what drives your assult so much?
what do you thinnk - maybe 30 years of pent up piss off of not saying anything or GUILT???
who knows - intresting thought .. may use that in a LTE some day - or suggest it to a freind ...
no one listens to me - what do I knnow - just old and in the way (gigggle) ...
Was there corruption? Sure. Is there still? Sure. If you see it, stand up and do something about it.
like I say - WHY didn't anyone stand up back then?
Posssable answers
a.) it was 'locals' or 'family' who was doing it .. or close enough to be family (aunt bee's cosun thouse Duke boys from Hasard (Humboldt) county - those scally wags .. (play the old dukes of hassard song here .. strightn the curves flatin the hills - always doing just a little more then the law alows ..)
b.) it wasn't SAFE to say SHIT - talk or "tell" or write a LTE on the 'Dukes of Humboldt" and your (minumumly) 'ass out' of polite socity ... and maxium - well no one tried it - they were so afraid!
-- take your pick a. or b.
and the same reason its okay to 'suddnely find your etichal and moral stance' now =
a.) The people you attack on this list are NOT locals - they just moved here ..
b.) ther is NO fear assocated wtih it - in fact its ssort of HIP to hate them - or be cutting to them - you dont have to worry about anhone diss-ing you because you said something BAD about 'fmaily' or local 'friends' - and you sure don't have to worry about being put in a hole under a D8 because these new-bess don't even know what a D8 is let alone how to opperate one!
-- I'm praying your taking this as a plesent discustion - because that is what I'm thinking or feeling when I say this - just thinking "well look at this"
I do NOT mmean any of this as a put down - because I'm looking at my self and others to see what and why they do what they do ...
rose wrote:
ReplyDelete"only put $500,000 down"
rose - is 1/2 a million a "ONLY" in your life? Is 1/2 a million an "ONLY" in the life of Hedlend?
--> and that is just the down - at 1/2 a mill. down what was his monthly payments? more "only" ???
--> and the place in Bezerkly = that rent .. was another "only"
--> what was the set up there in Bezerkly - i read a plant count - but nothing about how many lights he had there - at $400 for each of the lights another $100,000 to 200,000 for the set up - and what was the rent for the warehouse ..
--> I mean you peoplle seem to know this person and his cash flow did he have this kind of cash flow to handle those kind of out lays?
--> also did you see the images from the Humboldt Building / planing dept that was presneted in the Board of Sups right before the TPZ (2nd one) went on? -- check it out - there was some HUGE earth moving and culverts and homes put in there - where did that kind of money come from?
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Anonymous said...
Well Josh is not so much stupid as blinded by unbielevable greed and arrogance. From what I uderstand he accumulated his massive wealth by a combination of hard work and screwing people over. He should have known that he could not pull of either the Berkeley grow or the Humboldt ones. I believe he thought he would be saved by plausible deniablity...
2/07/2008 10:31 PM
--> I know a lot of 'hard working' people who are up at dawn and are called greedy by others - and they can barly make ends meet. When they put together some big deal (which this oppertion was so far I'm thinking 2 million to do all this + pay roll at leaast)
Heck something like this 'in the real world' takes finacning by verious banks.
Dose that sound like the kind of cash that Hedlund had under his bed?
Or did he need 'backers' - which is what was orignaly why I think ROSE was looking into this - and suggesting that Steve-o was providing some part of this ... and there by trying to link it back to the DA's office ...
or so it seemed to me - What I'm saying is IF this seems like a FUCK LOAD of cash to you - I'd look over at WHO Steve-o is working for down in LA - if your talking about cash backing - and that Hedlund didn't have a cash ...
I'm not taking this as a put down. I welcome the discussion. I'm learning.
ReplyDeleteBack then, I was 20 something. I was judgmental enough to excise any of that culture out of my life. With very few exceptions I made sure none of the people I associated with were into that. Yeah, some friends smoked now and then, but they didn't do it around me, and they didn't talk about it around me.
There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known.
I do think there is a HUGE divide between the reality you saw in Southern Humboldt and the reality here. A completely different reality. Maybe it was because it was less populated down there.
I don't think the general populace is anti-pot. That's why 215 passed, its why people looked the other way, its why juries weren't into convicting people for an ounce or a grow, and why there was a silent cheer when Gallegos announced his prosecutorial guidelines. I don't think, when it came to that that there was all that much of a cultural divide. It had to do with compassion, and I don't just mean compassionate use. The general image of a pot smoker was a happy go lucky college student, growin' a few plants and not hurting anybody.
But - I am not the right person to weigh in on this. I admit I do not have any idea of the land deals you are talking about. Alot of the people I knew who bought land truly were into the back to the land movement - and not dope, They wanted to build their own house, live off the land, off the grid. It was a source of pride, one of the cool things about the hippie movement - that was brought down by drugs. Naive? Yeah. But it was a do your own thing time, and you didn't care alot about what your neighbor was doing because that was his trip.
Ummm, I didn't mean ONLY put $500,000 down in the sense that that isn't a lot of money. I sure couldn't do it, nor could anyone I know.
ReplyDeleteI meant ONLY in the sense that it is a small portion of the supposed $6 Million dollar value, forfeiting $500,000 is alot less than forfeiting six mil... does that make better sense?
AND I don't know if the info I have heard is accurate. It could be he put down more, or nothing.
I still wonder who else forfeits? Did he forfeit in all their names? Or do the other officers of Vilica still hold the land?
Who will be responsible for the abatement?
I guess I ought to add that my concern here was Schectman and his access to the DA;s office and his hypocrisy.
ReplyDeleteAside from campaign funding and support - I did not see this as involving Paul. He does just seem to have horrible judgment when it comes to who he surrounds himself with...
But yeah - I agree with what you are saying - in order to forfeit a million in cash AND the properties, how much cash are we talking about, and WHERE did it come from?
And, I guess I never thought about how much grow lights cost That is a lot! Flex your power man! The rest of us are all getting lectures about cutting our energy consumption, and being penalized for running an extra load of laundry and then you have these guys...
This is the most interesting blog thread ever.
ReplyDeleteRose said...
ReplyDeleteI'm not taking this as a put down. I welcome the discussion. I'm learning.
Yes I can see thank you. Also as to "learning" well see below ... I have some questions as I'm learing too ...
Back then, I was 20 something. I was judgmental enough to excise any of that culture out of my life. With very few exceptions I made sure none of the people I associated with were into that. Yeah, some friends smoked now and then, but they didn't do it around me, and they didn't talk about it around me.
There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known.
I do think there is a HUGE divide between the reality you saw in Southern Humboldt and the reality here. A completely different reality. Maybe it was because it was less populated down there.
Where are you talking about Rose? I'm talking Fortuna and Eureka, not "so hum" hippies, or ranchers. I'm talking about the everyday people that went to work who's husbands and sons and dad's grew pot on weekends up in the hills.
I'm talking about how RedWood Mamorial Hosptal (Fortuna) would stop all surg. except emergancies durning harvest because their RNs and LVNs were going (local working people, not so hum hippies) up to the hills to help with harvest and trim.
I'm talking about how hard it was for restrerants to stay open durning that time because all the 'help' was off in the hill triming or some other way helping with the harvest.
Rose when you write:
"There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known."
Is that what your talking about? The people I make refrance to lived in Eureka, Fortuna, out to Hydesville and Carlotta, and down to Socia.
Rose writes:
"I do think there is a HUGE divide between the reality you saw in Southern Humboldt and the reality here. A completely different reality. Maybe it was because it was less populated down there."
Sorry I'm repeating myself here - or your self here (he he he = wink) but I really want to show you what I "THINK" you just did and said, or in todays lingo "spun" and you may not even know you did it your self.
What I see this as (and please I'm going for truth here - what ever that may mean ... I thought this converstaion was sort of barried and lost on some back page - and if you want to quit. Let me know - I see Hank is in here - so don't have to reply on record here on any of this ... BUT ...
Here's what I see you doing - and again I may be TOTALLY WRONG - but follow what I see - and think is pertty typical of "old humbboldt" thought pattern ...
(please don't takee this personal or as an attack!)
a.) Rose says "Back then, I was 20 something. I was judgmental enough to excise any of that culture out of my life. With very few exceptions I made sure none of the people I associated with were into that. Yeah, some friends smoked now and then, but they didn't do it around me, and they didn't talk about it around me."
----> I'm talking about late 60's into the 1970 and some 1980's Humboldt
So your how old now - how old then = teens through 20's?
and you didn't smoke had some freinds that did - and some that didn't but they didn't do it around you and they didn't talk around you.
Okay
THEN YOU SAY ... (in the typical Old Humboldt person way (and I do it too) of "dissociation" / splitting of realities ...
"There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known."
Read that line please ... 2 or 3 times!!! let it sink in! (I do it to ... I belive WE ALL DO ...)
Next you go into the "phase right past that" and push it all off on So Hum ...
"I do think there is a HUGE divide between the reality you saw in Southern Humboldt and the reality here. A completely different reality. Maybe it was because it was less populated down there."
That's why I went into FIRST explaing it was NOT So Hum hippies I was talking about - it was ALL classes of WORKING HUMBOLDT PEOPLE ... From the TOP (what ever that may mean to you) to the bottom (what ever THAT may mean to you) = when I said I was frist aproched about POT GROWING by a local young woman - she was in her late teens or early 20's and she was just amazed that I'd buy property in the Eel River Delta area and NOT have any 'starts' ready to go ...
This was NOT some "hippy So Hum flower child" this was a "lame, local, red neck, secrtary type" who was slightly over weight - and who's dad was a contractor - she then ran me over to his home and said "here you can have these - just put them out and get water on them ..."
I was F* stunned - I mean I'm no 'vergin' to MJ - I was an Old hippy gone to "working man" by then (mid 1970's = 75 or so?) and had a great job as my wife did - and we both worked out and ran, and had moved to the 'country' to get away from the traffic and crazyness of the city. We looked forward to putting in a big garden (which we did) OF VEGTABLES and 'home steading' we joined the Grange and THOUGHT we were moving to Mayberry - what we moved to WAS Mayberry - but with this 'underside' where everyone ... AND I was working in Eureka!! ... where everyone was 'involved'
and I even say it today - or think it ... its like the "lame locals" are HIPPER then the "So Hum hippies" OR the "Arcata hippies (or what ever they want to be called - sorry Hank if you read this - I don't know what to call you up there = so many of your 'back bone' are libral old hippys - now 'passing' as some kind of conservities ... (chuckle) I love when ms. Alex is called a Republican .. when she moved here she was a 60's flower child in every sence of the word ..
But bottom line is every local is HIPPER then any 'hippy So Hum pot grower' or 'Arcata HSU polico_ prog' or even the Miller/Salstman group (if you will) Loco-slut-ions .. et al ..
Because every local has that "There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known." Thing going on ..
Like 'what happens in Humboldt (locals) stays with humboldt locals"
IT IS A KNOWN - IT IS A GIVEN ...
But unless you got in (someone recently asked how long we had been here - I told them .. and they said "Oh your grandfathered in Local" ...
I guess that's a good way to put it --
What I say, when I try to explain this to someone is -
first I go about 40% of Humboldt is conseritive
40% libral
20% middle of the road
BUT there is this OTHER mesaure - where the conservs's are more 'hippy' then the most 'hip' libral ... and that is the awareness of POT in humboldt...
every person who grows in So Hum (or did) imagines they are the only ones - or them and there friends (what you RE:'ed rose in your "it was diffrent down there" statment)
every person in Arcata who smokes or grows thinks its just THEM and their friends ...
BUT every Local KNOWS that at least 1/3 of their friends grow - and they also know (or suspect) that all the hippys in So Hum do - and those crazy kids in Arcata do too.
Its funny - the locals are "in" on the whole over picture of what Humboldt is like much more then any 'prog' because of that ...
This awareness that is dissociated from normal life and people that was perfectly expressed in your statement rose ...
"There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known."
right and when the papers BACK THEN carried a bust of an old local family it was IGNORED - hell Terry busted the (oh what was there name? they do the local bottled water? You know who I mean - out 36 and Fortuna stable local .. nice people ...)
how many times were they "busted" before anything happened to them? No LTE's about that -- No "oh they back the DA's office" on that - nor anyone looking for ties!
Why??? no one had to "There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known."
EXACTLY - I belive they got HIT 3 times - once so far up 36 it was in trinity - then again lower then again at HOME - and all but the final one nothing was done - and I'll bet you don't even thing 2x when you see their water bottles every where ... that "oh ya that's those pot growers - who are 'friends' of DA Farmer ... who got off 2 out of 3 times - for HUGE busts - and the last time it was just a slap on the wrist - and no one said anything ... the 'growers' were releaved for them - the locals had the "There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known." Blinders on - so it just goes by .. or its NOT safe to talk about - think about - or just "busieness as usall"
Some how it was all rigght for HUGE LOGGING op's to be hit with 'huge grows' and the "workers" take a fall - and it never went back to the top ..
But every where I went (local people) and would mention "oh did you hear about -- Did you see the cover of the TS today .. but you so and so is sweatin right now .. hay hay hay ... and we'd laugh about it - and look at each other knowingly - and it would some how go away ...
"No charges - no involvement with so and so's personal logging (jipo) was found - workers only! ... "though all of the equempent on site was owned by bla bla bla --- he is not being charged - the workers said they did it all ... "
heck then I'd go over to there home and I'd see someone come in drop off staks of money - and it was handled like something out of the Soprainos - just good business ....
"There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known."
Yup your right!
Not a put down - it was just so rampent - its how we all devloped that out look - its living with something so long - that its just 'normal' like looking at war footage and going "how can those people live with that?"
dissociation
"There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known."
dissociation
So what I'm JUST SUGGESTING here that MAYBE this ANGER and RAGE or what ever 'fact finding' that is going on with Paul and anyone someone can some how assocate with Paul ... or the Prog's ...
is a reaction a decominstation for those years of dissociation of having NOT TO SEE NOT TO SPEAK of this whole on going process of many of the male locals growing and their wives going off to prune (again the hosptials - my wife is an RN - she was stunned that ALL OPPERATIONS were cancled that weren't emergancy ... every harvest - we thought "what the hell did we walk into?"
I'd see 'stight local people' all day long at work - and hear their 'tails' ... I was trusted - as that person the other day said "You were grandfathered in local" ---
anyway back to the motivation ... behind this ... and why none then - when ever 3rd person was involved (DEA figures when they started CAMP up here in early 1980) ... some how it was alwasy like "oh their talking about SO HUM or 'some where else' - not the locals - not Eureka - and for SURE NOT a bastion of Uprightness - Fortuna!!! ...
well Yup that is where and what I'm talking about ...
Every 'local rancher kid' that was pissed off at his dad (rightly or wrongly so) had an OUT - any local kid could go off and put a 'few' out on the back 40 - which because they had access to 400 or 4,000 or 40,000 acers - wasn't ever 'just a few' - it was 1,000's - and again I'm tlaking NOT SO HUM - I'm talking locall Eureka and good forutna folks ...
and the engeners kid (who just died) who was a total Red Neck in one way - wore his hair like Elton John back in the day - and would go out and do MONDO grows in the hills - then turned back into a 'red neck' realtor - who was 'cool' - and laughed up his sleave at all the kids coming into his office asking for 40's with good sun and gravity feed water ... in the 70-80's ...
and act like they invented it
like now kids walk into realtors asking for homes with 220 service or what ever they need for indoor grows ...
I see homes advertized - just the way they are shown on the realstate network and ROFL -- "lovely home with fully insolated shop with its own 100 apm service, legally put in."
(gawds what kind of home 'hobby' machine shop would someone put in there - funny NO WINDOWNS though ... )
"Out building own service - 220 100 amps ... "
they PANDER TO IT -- still because they grew up here they KNOW -- if their NOT doing it - then they are working - and people move to Humboldt for that reason -- I don't know the % but it must be large for the 'laughter' about it in realstate places ...
again there in Realstate that dissociation again!!!
On one had (the same people the same EXATE PEOPLE) will go on and on about HOW BAD the grow homes are - then talk about how GOOD the sales are - and how they aren't worried too much about the market taking a dump in Humboldt because everyone is always looking for space to grow - now indoors ...
and the kids coming in - think they invented it - just like the ones in the 70's and 80's coming from the city ---
and the people selling the houses .. are laughing because they got their start growing back in the day - and also then selling to grower kids - people who would take a topo map and over lay a 'big ranch' on it - and then start drawing out 40's - walking it - or riding it - and finding the water - and springs - and cutting roads for 40's -- a nd 80's and 160's ..
all "nice people" it is the industry - its was as big as logging was and now is the same as HSU makes (according to esemats) - but we dissociate the reality --
Spilt --- off the data and the information - compartmentlize it ...
The hippy kids (or what ever they are this round calling them selves) all think they invented it - and I watch the knowing nods - and twinkling eyes of the locals just not rasing an eye brow to any of it ...
other then to PUSH IT OFF on 'the other" "oh that's those so hum people" Oh that's what's happeing in Arcata those new guys coming in putting in grow houses ..."
when so many locals have them - - working men - with greese on there hands all day - come home and 'check their plants' ...
its endemic as the dissociation from it is ...
UNTILL ITS LEGAL (Taxed and regulated like booze or any other LEGAL drug recreational or medical) - it will keep going that way ...
I don't think the general populace is anti-pot. That's why 215 passed, its why people looked the other way, its why juries weren't into convicting people for an ounce or a grow, and why there was a silent cheer when Gallegos announced his prosecutorial guidelines. I don't think, when it came to that that there was all that much of a cultural divide. It had to do with compassion, and I don't just mean compassionate use. The general image of a pot smoker was a happy go lucky college student, growin' a few plants and not hurting anybody.
Frist - its so funny OF COURSE no one is "anti-pot" who is in Humboldt locally driven economy ...
Only place you can find an Anti-pot person is in ARCATA!
think of that =
the Board of Sups set a VERY HIGH LIMIT - much higher then Pauls - paul's held it back to 99 plants and 1,500 watts indoors - (now if you dont know anything about growing - you don't know what that means = that means ONE LIGHT per person and a 'veg' area = that means he could (paul could) have said in doors you can have a MILLION SQ FT and a GILLION plants - but still kept the grow 'problem' undercontrol - just with that 1,500 watts
it is impossable for a big grow to happen with just one light!
- it was the LOCAL BOARD OF SUPS that tore off the 1,500 watts limits not the Paul and his people ...
there by tearing off any limits to growing indoors -
--- and 100 sq ft is LESS then 10 plants (terry) out doors = one plant can do 100 sq ft = that's only a 10x10 area! .. in the sun light - that's one or two plants at most!
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back on point - the ONLY PLACE that is NOT (as much) affected by the POT Ecomony (and hang on here - let me explain) is ARCATA!!!
why? because they have HSU ... HSU brings into Arcata as much money as the POT INDURSTY brings into the REST of the county (maybe a little less)
so Arcata is the place that you'll see the frist 'crack down' on any MJ item - because they are not / or have not been 'owned' by it -- they are owned by HSU - which is its own kettel of fish - look at R Richmonds slary and perks for some REAL BIG MONEY RIP OFF -
he's making #9 in the state ... and MUCH MORE then the GOVEN-atory ?? and why is that again ... talk about hedlund (sp? = I'm trying) -- and GREEd - ha ha ha Rollen makes him look like a piker and he's LEGALLY doing it!
But back on point -- why does Arcate now in the middle of addpoting the most stringent grow policy in California? BECAUSE their citizans don't rely on it for $$$.
some where down this message you talk about 'college kids' --
and you also talk about "SO HUM" like those are the major growers - or that is what people expcet are the major growers - its something we all bought into - - I've SEEN the major growers and the smaller growers and the every day every year groers - and Rose its "US" = the locals do MUCH more then the so hum guys or the Arcata kids ...
Hell their HIPPIES for gawds sakes - they can't get up early and do anything - let along grow MONDO pot - it takes a work ettich instaled Red neck to grow decently .. or do anything ...
here's an other 'tell' ...
Paul ran on one thing - we watched that frist election with much amusement - Paul (a long time freind) and Terry (a longer time friend) going at it - Paul seemed to my wife and I going to BLOW it - he was like some idiot repeating the same thing!
If you have any of those old debates on VCR (I do) play them - I do now and then just to see if what I saw was real it was so amazing!
A question would be asked. Terry would answer it very well and articulate and make sence.
Paul would start to answer it - then 'somehow' drift back REALLY QUICK to the "and if I'm ellected I'll put in the 100 sq ft 99 plants 1,500 watt guideline"
We thought he was nuts - HOW COULD HE WIN BEING THAT DAMN BLATENT???
is what we thought - he (Paul) was smarter then the rest of us - this was BEFORE Saltsman - miller and that bunch was sicophant-ing him ...
Paul KNEW / he saw though that dissociation or enough of it to KNOW - that Humboldt was MJ (now MMJ) and when alone in the voiting booth - everyone (or most) would vote with their wallet in Humboldt. Realstate ageints - land owners - et al -- everyone REMEMBERED how GOOD it was in the 1970-80's up here - and with BIG GUIDELINES it would bring that back ..
How true is that? -- I don't know -- I do know that at Terry's fund rasiers I'd see LOTS of people (good local people, with businesses engenering and sales or what ever) with that "knowing look" and say "Ya were here for Terry - but get them back at home or in their businesses and "jaw jack' with them - and you'd hear "Terry ain't got a chance - everyone is going to vote for Paul - we LOVE Terry but Paul's better for the county ..." with a wink and a nod ...
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That's why poor old Dykman never had a snowballs chance - it wasn't stalsman (Paul had dumped him by then ... for acting like he was above it all - and being stupid - Paul is really ethical - like you or I am - coming from what he belives is right ...
He dissociates stuff just like you or I do and sees though some too .. when you hear something from some one you trust as a freind - you go "hum that maybe true ... "
I think (now that he's been around - and this "new breeze" has blown threw humboldt - he may be MORE ethical then past (dare I say it) DA's? Because as they said in the Pink House - across the street from the BIG GREEN HOUSE ..
"Problem with Paul is he won't stay bought"
--- meaning people kick huge campaign donations and MOST of them expext something down the line - like old guard Erueka or the new money like Arkely .. and Paul just picks his own check up when he goes to lunch with you ...
Hum thats one thing - Terry and the old gaurd used to and STILL let me pick up the tab ... all i have to say is "I've got it" and they go "thanks!"
but the new guys (and gals) they are SUPPER TIGHT about who pays for lunch and who got what - and drop enough to cover it and their part of the tip - often just asking for seprate checks out front.
As I say I'm freinds with "both sides" (if you can call it that = sides) of Humboldt - and the new elected people - are much more aware of who is buying lunch or drinks and reporting campaign donations - contrib's then the other side ... being a legit buisness we donate to both (shuuu) and know both sides - and i tell you - it always blows my mind when we're out - the "old locals" let you pick up the check - the new politicans never will!
I don't know if that means anything ... but its something to observe ... and note ...
But - I am not the right person to weigh in on this. I admit I do not have any idea of the land deals you are talking about. Alot of the people I knew who bought land truly were into the back to the land movement - and not dope, They wanted to build their own house, live off the land, off the grid. It was a source of pride, one of the cool things about the hippie movement - that was brought down by drugs. Naive? Yeah. But it was a do your own thing time, and you didn't care alot about what your neighbor was doing because that was his trip.
2/08/2008 11:45 PM
Like i say your doing several things again in the above which makes the point I'm saying.
a.) I'm not talking about 'back to land transplants' I'm talking about locals
b.) who the F* sold that land to the "transplants and weren't looking what your neghbor was doing"
(funny I knew what MY negbors were doing - all of them - they'd show me - and we had diner together - maybe your not soical - I don't know - I know and meet and greet my neghbors - and want to know them and asume they want to know me ...
local or transplant - grower or what ever ... and in so hum - people would go over to each others homes there too - I'd go down to freinds homes and everyone was talking about their crop this year - and such ...
and locals would take me out and show me their green house or the husband and or kids would be "in the woods" or "out on our peice on the woods"
"its getting about that time you know - can't leave it alone"
or
"got to get it in you know - don't plant its self"
or
what ever - hubby was gone - then the family would be gone (trimin')
--- maybe you didn't know about the land deals - but where do you think all that land was cut up - and by whom and why ???
dissociation
and / or
"There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known."
right - and now its 'safe' to talk about Steve-o or speculate about who is backing Paul and for what reason ...
years of dissociation - like some slightly repressed memories of some kind of constant abuse comes flooding to the surface --
and its like "OH Paul is bad" - knee jerk ..
Nope I don't think he's BAD or GOOD - just another Jerk doing his job - is that BETTER then the last Jerk that was in there (sorry Paul and Terry = your not 'jerks' i'm using that in the "every man" sence)
--- just another person doing there job
But I do think it COMEN for law enforcment to dissociate for LOCAL transgression of the law - then if it was an outsider .. and if it was a MONEIED local - well then for get it - - they walked with NO charges - right out of the PD station .. just held them long enough to sober up ...
and THAT is what I guess pissed me off about the whole Sherri Moore thing - and brought me to thinking out of this 'fog' of "There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known." like the old days were diffreint ...
In about 2001 I got a call from a friends wife saying "gawds DW is at it again and he's got a gun"
- the man is dead so I can talk about it I guess
His wife had called a tennet who was passed due on rent - DW 'had a few' (he just died recently of alcohoism related disorders which weren't discused at the furnal untill one (youngish) old boy got up - as everone was invited to speak who wanted to) "I don't think there is anyone in this room who isn't pissed a DW for being such an ass!" ...
dissociation in action - up untill then everyone was acting like "oh the poor man and he was so young - struck down in his prime" (for Fucks sake everyone knew the man was drinking himself to death and would let NO ONE do anything about it ... )
Okay back to that evening in 2001 ...
I get a call from his wife - frantic and very up set - seems as I put together the story - he had been drinking - fell asleep on the couch - and she had called the tennet - somehow he heard this and lifted the phone and found out that the tennet was being 'verblibly abusive' (shall we say) to his wife ...
DW grabs a gun jumps in his car drives 20 minutes to Eureka - and pulls up to the apartments he and a "Big Green House" person own ... stagers in to the comen area where he starts kicking a dog that was braking at him ...
Next he goes up to the tennet who had been veribliiy abusvie to his wife on the phone and refused to pay the rent -
and pulls out the gun - and says "you have 10 minutes to get your crap out of MY apartment or I'll blow your brains out"
(now you can belive this story or not - I sware that it is totall 100% true)
EPD shows up because then - because a neghbor had called them when DW was still kicking the dog ... before the gun pulling ... he was ID-'ed because he was the land lord - so they knew his name and who it was ..
the EPD see the car (late modle caddy) and the HAT (with his business name across it which is also HIS name and say "Oh you must be DW?"
now this guy is DRUNK and raving - and with a WEPON ...
and they / BUT THEY don't DO anything - they don't soround the building - they don't call out swat ...
why? cause he owns a corp? cause he has a hat with the corp name on it?
what happened?
Well I thought it was the end - but nope - I found this all out - at 12AM when DW shows up at my door step - the EPD had kept him did NOT EVEN BOOK HIM ... just let him sit there until 12 - and asked him if he wanted a ride or a call - he said "Nope I have a freind who lives a few blocks away" ... (we lived in a place by old town then) ... and there he was bold as brass saying "take me home - I'm going to get another gun and finish this!"
-- or something totally as inaine ..
HE DIDN"T EVEN HAVE A WALLET WITH HIM ---
as to the wepon?
HE WAS TOLD "come by monday and pick it up"
his attitued? "hell its a cheap peice of junk I thought I may have to toss it I didn't bring any of my good guns with me!"
-- and he said this to the PD ...
my wife and I sobbered him up - and gave him some 'ocupational therpy" (had him do some house work - of a kind)
and then in the afternoon - took him back to the seen - he was sober - the EPD was called again - but it was the RENTERS who took the brunt ... not the 'local 2nd gen businss owner' ...
So when Paul's campaign slogne says "Equle Justice under the Law" it may be touching something deep in all of humboldt - that know ...
We have NOT had this for a long time - and as a theripst will take abuse from a clinet who is projecting their old 'bagage' on them ... so maybe some of this "high standard" your holding Paul too Rose or anyone who is so upset with him ...
Is just decominstating for YEARS OF .. being sick of having to dissociate and say ...
"There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known."
what was going on was KNOWN .. we all knew - we all have freinds locals who were getting away (quite litterly) with murder - back in the day ...
and no one was rasing an eye brow --
everyone was looking the other way --
compair and contrast --
back then it was called the "VD by the sea"
(aka The Vista-del-mar)
the most roudy bar on the coast of california ...
turn turn turn 10 years and it was a 'fern bar'
turn turn turn 10 more and now what is it - their worried about if the signage is going to pass the code!!
I don't know how that repersents the current state of affairs in anayogly but somehow to me it does ...
I'd be afraid to walk into the old "VD" alone with out a large freind - people who heard of it - as the 'most roudy bar in the whole west coast' would come up and want to see it - like it was the redwoods or something --
I'd call freinds to come with me - a fight or 3 every night - crazy werid sex in the parking lot - ...
then 10 years later its a club for punk rock bands ... artests ..
gawds ..
is change good? --
is an 'art bar' better then the infamous meeting place of loggers and fishermen ??? (bikers et al)
is an 'wink wink nod nod' old boy net - which LIVES on dissociation and "There was nothing to speak out about. What was going on was known." as a watch word .. better then the "new boy net" which is NO NET at all
BTW - Millers out of practics = retired ... (reallY)
Stazlsmans got a job (finally) and too tired to do much but work ...
and Steve-o is hip deep in his own allagort pond
the BOARD OF SUPS set the limit / guidelines so high that MJ is escentally legal - going way OVER PAUl's guidlines .. totally!
--- so bad that even LIBRAL arcata is having to lead the fight to limit them ..
which is intreswting in its self - if you care to look at it - from the space that MAYBE Eureka and fortuna (locals) are MORE TOLLERANT to MJ then the 'hip' are - becaue the 'hip' haven't been living in dissociation from it for so long they don't even see it any more ..
Just an other weird thought ... ohoh my wife is up - got to go .. make brakefast and have a day with her -
Nice having these chats with you Rose -
again i have NO IDEA how right I am about the where fors -- but I do know my FACTS are 100% right on ...
Rose said...
ReplyDeleteI guess I ought to add that my concern here was Schectman and his access to the DA;s office and his hypocrisy.
Aside from campaign funding and support - I did not see this as involving Paul. He does just seem to have horrible judgment when it comes to who he surrounds himself with...
again -- Steve-o hasn't been around Gag's (chuckle) for quite sometime. He was BROKE and the 'play" for gag's didn't work. In fact Gag's screwed ALL the "pot attonrys' big time by addopting his guidelines ..
then the Board of Sups put the last nail in their coffens - with THEIR LARGER guidlines ..
as to 'people he srounds him self with - see my other posts with the steller people Terry and Renner hung with how about Bern DePaulie? - great bucnh he had around him - where where the ETL then - the 'watch terry' the 'watch burney' people?
what were you doing about all this at 20 Rose? - or your folks .. just 'taking it' and playing with the rest of us .. I guess ...
Steve-o and his bro-s are out of work in Humboldt (basicly) everyone knows law enforcment and p215 people alike what the limits are. And really what Law Enforcment has time to bother with it with?
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so Steve-o was out 'ambulance chasing' for work - that was the last time I saw or heard from him ... running around leaving cards with everyone who'd take one saying "if you know anyone with MJ problems have them call me." (he said it in some 'save the poor mj person way" but same thing ...
I also heard he was runing to the pot shops telling them that he could set up them in some 'leagl' way to get past the feds or something - the people I knwo told him to 'spin' if his ideas were that good - how come he wasn't using them - I do know he was tring to get a high price tag from the medical groups (p215) up here .. most all told him to get lost ...
Perditory attonys abound --- in fact I've seen cases that could have been dismissed kept alive by the attonires them selves - just to keep some work on the fire ..
amazing .. .
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So bottom line = NOPE I don't feel that Paul would see doller ONE from anything that Steve-o cooked up or had pushed on him ... nor Hedlund ...
Steve-o was running with a HARD AND FAST crowed down in LA ... thought he was so slick that he could talk his way out of it - after all he speaks flunet spainsh and is married to a cuban - knowning Steve-o by the time he found him self ass deep in it - he just thought of it as another way to 'chalnge himself' see how 'good he was' ... or what ever ..
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But yeah - I agree with what you are saying - in order to forfeit a million in cash AND the properties, how much cash are we talking about, and WHERE did it come from?
YUPERS YUPERS YUPERS -- dat' ain't no p215 local kids money - nor even old boy money there - hell most of the old boys I know are so 'spread out' that theey finance everything - day to day work projects - and these are the BIGGEST builders in the county - and (ahum) many of them had ..
never mind - but to finance something like this =
1/2 a mill for the one peice
what did the Bezerlkly property cost?
-- what were the payments for that and the one above MONTHYLY?
--- and just the lights! = 100K dump on just the lights - let alone the exust systems and fliters ..
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and talk about "out to lunch" --
NONE OF THIS WAS DONE WITH THE MENITON - not one - of P215!!!
= there was NO WAY that Paul could have been thought of in this plan one way or another - period - it was totally OUT LAW (besides totally stupid!)
I saw it - at the Board of sups - and just about Bust a gut - thinking "what the F* were these idiots doing - Oh Steve-o he don't grow - but he don't skin cat either - gawds - what itiots did this ..
who or what told who or what GROUP (look at it - and tell me that this was one Hedland person? = gawds it was like the bulb farm!!! = hoop houses by the acer!! = really go look at the imagess = 4 homes built ...
some kind of mex_ grow or "pot is totally legal" or people from gawds knows where doing this - and it wasn't "out way out in the woods' it was a stones toss from Blue Lake - any plane flying over ..
anyway I can NEVER express my shock at the TOTAL LAMENESS of this grow ..
total IDIOT must have done it -
the only thing I've seen like it
is a PRO flower farm (like the Bulb farm in arcata or production green houses in southern cal!!!) --
it was insain -
as I said I KEPT wating for the p215 contection to come out - some how - that some club or clubs from LA would show up to tsetify --
knowing how Steve-o was so INTO being legal ... and all (really = last talk as I say YEARS ago say 2005?)
And, I guess I never thought about how much grow lights cost That is a lot! Flex your power man! The rest of us are all getting lectures about cutting our energy consumption, and being penalized for running an extra load of laundry and then you have these guys...
2/09/2008 12:02 AM
Yup - several things come to mind ...
one is 'how many people served' - and then 'at what price' -- another words - lets say this was for sick people
(which it wasn't = oh christ - here's another "JOKE" or STUPID GROWER TRICKS in this ... Bezerlkly has an ORADANCE - under which Hedland could have put in the same thing LEGALLY! - if Steve-o was driving the 'truck' so to speak legally - one would think - as there are TONS of legal clubs down there - a link would show up - BPA - (berk patient allaince) is one of the oldest on going clubs in the state (I think that is there name - there owner is a (suppoidly) compassionte guy who heads the largest org. of patients reights advocates .. ASA ... Americna's for safe access ...
The feds busted the satlight club in LA of the BPA (like I say I belive that is there name) and found 1,500 in there bank account - some people are in it for compasson - and also treat it like a ligit business - which if you know anything about - is usally broke .. (he he he) .. and livng on a shoe string budget --
the feds looked sort of SILLY after that bust - we'll see if it goes any where - that 'seased a bank account" and found 1,500 and the books totally in order = sounds like they made an "oups" to me .. when most of the ones they bust have LOTS of money around and 'items' (new cars et al)
--- anyway --- FYI to put this inpersepcitive there are about 1,000 clubs in Cal right now - how many are good - how many are bad? = I don't know -
I do know the ones that get busted - 'strangely' have gang or big money tie ines - 99% of the time - the only "good guy" clubs that seem to get hit (about 3 so far) all have VERY VOCAIL activests leading them -
its as if these people - because they are running an honest shop for the right reasons - feel they are safe to speak out --
(you want the names of 'good guy clubs' busted?
= Wamm (free to sick patients - but big on the press)
= Lacbc (90% Hiv - no time for anyone involved - all involved made less then middle class salyeres and life stlyes - again bust right after a BIG TIME MAG peice on them )
= now the LA satilight of BPA - again no chargers - that I am aware of - but the head of it is also head of ASA - largest bla bla bla ...
Kind of looks like even IF your runing a stight arrow - pay your taxes take care of the sick and poor - you still can't go public with it -
I think of it as "no ask no tell" rules ...
as to the % of good vs. bad (high profit clubs) I look at how many busts the DEA is doing = and that is way less then 10% ... of the clubs around ...
dose that mean that only 10% are doing too high profits? I don't know - I also know that most DEA busts are broguth in by the locals ... someone complans ..
okay - so compair and constrast - legal vs illegal
this is an inresting item also ..
when the ATF comes around looking for sales of tobaccco to minors - they bust about 1/2 the places up here - last round ... was in Fortuna as I recall 11 of the 20 or so places that sell smokes (tobacco) and chew - sold to the undercover 'kid' - and got a 'ding'
-- just thought that was intresting that 10% of the 'pot clubs' get busted - yet about 50% of the 'legal' tobacco places do NOT pass muster!
-- I imagine this is because of the HUGE 'ding' one gets if they don't pass the p215 muster ... vs. a slap on the wrist as in the case of tobaco!
--- just musing
oh back to who is served - and do they pay taxes = are they good citaizns ..
I think more then anything that should be the 'tell' not their engery use
ie the Bulb farm runs LIGHTS and has HUGE PG&E bills - they have 1000s of lights going out there - drive by at night - loooks like flying suser landing port!
--- do we need 'cut flowers'? -- is it ecology sound to have? Is the Blub farms contrubution to socity more or less then all the grow hosues in humboldt?
--- I've heard about pesticeds too - biggest user is HSU I belive and also don't for get the Bulb farm --
(oh yes they did try ONE line of orgainc flowers - no one would pay the price - so they went back to their chemi ways the next year - but it was gredat pr that they still trade off on)
-- anyway again -- who is served by the Bulb farm KW's & pesticed use?
are the workers paid a living wage?
do they get health insurance?
(heck are they documented?)
now compair and contrast all the grow houses in Humboldt - where is that money going? ...
where who why Hedlend - and the engery use
I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong - I'm just saying things that make ME go "hum?" in the night ...
stuff that runs though my mind when I hear "oh those growers use so much engery" -- like you just did ...
my fav_ is the one about "does asprin take that much to make?"
(well yes Cindy (or in this case Rose) that would be a whole nother peice on Bayer - the #2 worst poluter in the world -- worst corp -- worst on everyones scales ...
But hay - its much more fun to try to tie in Paul and Steve-o then look at that - or be "SHOCKED"
"OH Im SHOCKED!!! there is gambling going on here Ric!"
"yes sir where do you want your winnings?"
--- casablanca ...
be SHOCKED at PG&E use by Hedlund vs. being told to watch your dryer useage - vs. like I say count the lights at the blub farm - and tell me again what they are doing "good" for the eco system - and how we need them??? -- vs. need a creepy fool like hedlend making MJ look badder then it does to anyone?
--- so how many people (sick people) served - in how small a space - and for how little money - and how much is the staff making?
-- that is what I'd ask - to 'rate' a place ..
and I wouldn't listen to anyone who don't open up there books - which is more then say the Bulb farm would do - let along rollen richmond - but those are other things ...
have many nice days ...
Hmmm - lot to read there - and a lot to absorb.
ReplyDeleteTo answer a couple of your questions - I graduated from high school in '75. I'd say it was the tail end of the "hippie" movement, I think the skirts went from ultra-mini to almost ankle length the year after I graduated.
In high school, smoking pot was considered fairly normal, we had a couple of kids who came into math class after lunch totally stoned, stuff that would never be tolerated today. Alot of kids tried growing a couple of plants in their backyards or parent's property, people were afraid to get pulled over if they had any pot in their car, I think a "lid" was $20, don't know 'cause I never bought any. Tried it a couple of times, (yeah, inhaled), didn't like it, basically if I am going to laugh, I want it to be because I am happy.
Some kids tried mushrooms, some tried acid, one kid in high school killed himself supposedly on a trip.
The college age kids who bought property in Fieldbrook did seem to be all into the dope, it got to where when we rode our horses up in the hills we got shot at, so we had to stop.
What was there to say? It was their property, not ours, we were trespassing. If someone was growing, we had no proof, and no desire to go "check it out."
The big grows were all in Southern Humboldt, which might as well have been a million miles away - another country.
Sure, we all heard about politicos who had pot parties at their house before they got elected, some after, some businesses that were funded with drug money (not just pot) - it was in the urban legend category. Everyone "knew" it - but no one really had any facts, it was all gossip and rumor, and alot of it was true. And, you're right they are names people would recognize today.
I think we all sort of have a love for rebels and outlaws, and we all have the instilled knowledge that prohibition was stupid and didn't work and we apply that matrix to the current situation - and semi-agree that legalization would remove alot of the problems. (I'm not entirely sure that it would not create some unforeseen consequences, but) - and I think we all agree that 215 is a sham and a scam.
I'll reread your last comment, because again, there's alot to absorb there. Yeah, it's fun talkin' to ya. I guess I was pretty oblivious. Just reality, going to school, getting a job, building a life, buying a first car, all that was real life, none of this was.
One other thing - my "beef, is you will, with Paul, is not so much about his pot stance. Though that is part of it.
My beef is with his willingness to be used by the activist guys (who you call the out to lunch bunch), the ones who are also using the pot community, to USE the DA's office to attack a company they've been trying to get - to be willing to completely subvert the entire judicial system by creating a private funding system that would allow wealthy groups or individuals to use the public system to accomplish their aims. To me, that is much bigger than whether or not he chooses to exercise his prosecutorial discretion over an ounce of pot
As to the spin that he didn't "stay bought" - all you have to do is look at his appeal of the Palco suit and his going after Douglas and Zanotti to know that is not true.
It's only perception that he was for the pot growers. His true allegiance is to the 'get-Palco" crowd.
That's the way I see it, anyway - Did you know he completely reversed himself on the pot limits at one point? Completely turned his back on all those guys. That's documented as well.
I've been thinking alot about what you have said - I guess in regards to the real estate agents and car dealers, I know there are some agents who probably took advantage, but by and large, I guess I don't want to see a world where real estate agents and car dealers decide your business is their business, and turn people in because they came from LA and are young, and therefore "must be" something... I don't know as I categorize minding your own business as condoning growing and dealing. I guess it is "looking the other way" - but what's the alternative? In general I favor less government, but I guess that also requires trustworthy people...
ReplyDeleteWe are a country that makes it easy to cheat. And by and large people are polite. Some are scared - scared to offend, scared of who knows what, but mostly they are just polite.
The other thing I guess I don't get is this - the way I see it, and maybe I am naive - a grow house isn't conducive to a massive grow - not able to make the kind of money that we're talking about here. Even a warehouse isn't big enough. Is it?
How much dope, how much money can come out of a limited space? I guess millions, based on what Hedlund has forfeited. I've heard people run up huge calculations of what the Arcata grow houses can bring in - and they just had that one big bust - what was that 2 million?
So it would seem like the big bulb farm style greenhouses would make sense, but you say that is lame.
But what's the alternative? There's not a giant underground catacomb around here. The earthquake faults and the moisture alone would make that impractical.
I can see how giant warehouses would nestle right in to a city environment, but they would stand out like sore thumbs here.
And it's not like you can super condense them like those little pellet size toys that kids put in water that 'grow' into big dinosaurs...
And interspersing small grows all over wouldn't be practical...
I just don't get it.
Oh - and as I recall from the BOS presentation, the code guy said the evidence indicated the people occupying one of those Vilica structures were hispanic, if not Mexican nationals, so i think your theory is right. What a trip.
ReplyDeleteDid they have internet up there, too? Or was it gameboys?
Hi rose - I'm not going to pull your quotes out - and just going to try to answer or talk at what I see here you've writen.
ReplyDeleteRose - Grad '75
I Grad in '66 and moved to Humboldt 10 years later. My wife and I got 'normal jobs' (her and RN and since if I tell you what I did back then it might let everyone know who I was - I won't - but lets say - I talked to alot of people every day.)
We lived in the greater Eel river area but not 'so hum'. We both worked full time or more in Eureka and part time (when needed ) in Fortuna hosptials (et al)
So we met many people shall I say intmatly? As one does in health care and the like professions.
We also were 'taken in' by the - oh how to say it "Landed Gentery" because of our jobs and maybe personallites.
Also we were so HAPPY to be up here, and although both had gone though a 'hippy phase' in the '60s' we were 'just working people' by the time we moved up here. And TRUELY so greatfull to be livving in this lovely area & also kind of thought of Hippies as 'screw up' and the 'locals' or 'red necks' (or what ever you want to call them) as totally together.
Where they hippies and transplants were trying to figure out how to grow food or anything else and deal with anamiles and such - or trying to do constrution.
Locals knew how to do all that (Yes we did come to move to Mayberry!) and we LOVED learning from them. Vs. the So Hum crowd who seemd to barly able to get along.
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I took the time to explain the above - to let you know that perhaps you (and I'm not putting you down) were like that 'todays out to lunch bunch' -- in the middle of LOTS of stuff happeing - yet ignoring it or not being aware.
I don't know what your job was - nor the people you hung out with, but from my wifes and I point of veiw we know of few people who didn't grow who lived in Humboldt! (and I am talking about LOCALS!)
Like I said early - it was a young local woman who gave me plants (she said "got your starts yet?" and I thought she was talking tomattos or something! imagine my shock when I realzied that her 'nice dad' (he was too) had a green house full of little pot plants and wanted to give me some.)
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I don't smoke pot either - never liked it - makes me 'foggy' and full of self doubt - I perfer a drink or two (well 1 & 1/2!) with dinner - and I'm fine!
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But as I say almost everyone we knew grew pot - in fact when I meet people today or in business that are locals I just asume they grew 'back in the day.'
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It was funny when the whole Paul Recall was on, because I knew of people who had growen LARGE that went legit and had gotten out of growing but their business was built on grow money.
And there they were holding posstions in the 'recall' campaign.
I asked one about it (a rather high place person in that thing) and he said "Oh PL called me and since my company does so much business with them I just went along and said "sure I would" I didn't even think of what I was doing, untill I read in the paper and friends called, so I'm getting out.
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But in the Humboldt I know its NOT "just" the car sales men and the realstate agents that are invloved - you seem to miss the point that I was trying to make that it was 'everyone' I knew / know ...
today I see them and their companies have matured and I'll be talking to their staff and thing "they don't have a clue"
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Okay to draw an analogy its like Kennedy faimly based in boot leg booze money - or Carnagy or was it Rocafeler who made their frist money in Opium smuggling - and in fact forced it into china.
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That's the type of 'underground' I'm talking about - total big money being made and then turned to fund "ligit business" and politics et al.
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Okay I'm going to quote you here
Sure, we all heard about politicos who had pot parties at their house before they got elected, some after, some businesses that were funded with drug money (not just pot) - it was in the urban legend category. Everyone "knew" it - but no one really had any facts, it was all gossip and rumor, and alot of it was true. And, you're right they are names people would recognize today.
Those "urban legend"??? Those are the parties I'm talking about that my wife and I were at. Those are the people we knew and know.
For some reason (like I say maybe it was my profession or because I 'cleaved' to the local people here so much.) I was told and shown things, that are pertty amazing.
Oh as to "urban legend" i've given you names and dates in the above posts. These people would bost to me. the people I know would JOKE about it "oh so and so must be sweating - his ranch just got busted, you know nothing will happen because he and Terry - or Renner or DePaully go way back.
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as to p215 being a 'sham or a scam' I'd have to refer you to the cancer patients I know and the HIV/AIDS people and the MS people and let you and them talk.
p215 is not a sham - that it is USED by ahhh "less then catistrophic people" is a problem.
The thing it does though is allow for taxation. The largerst sales tax payer in Arcata is one of the pot shops.
That's a whole bunch of income for that city that they wouldn't have with out some sort of legilzation / regulation.
I don't know what type of "unforeseen consequences" could come from legilastion of MJ - that we don't already have.
it would drop the price, which would impact the Humboldt Economy but other wise, I don't see anything. In area's with legal cannabis they have the same rates of useage as places with illegal cannabis.
So I don't know what keeping something illegal is doing for anyone - but making money for people who want to go that path.
I mean who grows their own (or for resale) tobacco? or has a still? -- it goes away as soon as you take the illgality out of it. Prices drop and that's that. Its not 'cost effective' as a product and people stop doing - like no one grows tomatos unless that is what they want to do.
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Oh as to what "josh" did wrong? The grow was stupid from the point of veiw of its ILLEGAL.
the P215 people I knew waited (in the TPZ presentation) to hear "and they claimed they were growing for such and such club(s)"
its really supprizing given Steve-o was involved, one would asume that his 'clubs' (the ones he was repersenting down in LA) would have given the paperwork to provide a modicum of legality to this interprize.
there was none.
the berzkerly grow - again HUGH clubs down there - and not shread one of a p215
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that's why i say they were silly - not because of their style.
IF IT WAS LEGAL - what josh did would for sure be one way to go.
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I suggest that even that wouldn't be cost effetive (why Humboldt? there are better growing areas then Humboldt for production growing of MJ / cannabis what ever you want to call it)
Roger Rodoni has been saying it for years - and almost got him recalled when he was elected the frirst time.
he's been saying 'tax and legalize' ever since he got the postion. He's said to me that 'the guys in the hills don't like that idea because it would kill their business, big factory farms would grow it in the great central valley and drop the price threw the floor!"
-- so to get Pot out of Humboldt - really simple legalize it ..
I see growers on Blogs saying how much they HATE p215 because its already driving down the price.
Like p215 screwed Steve-o and the pot attonys out of work ...
same with the growers ..
read though the blog on this site:
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/eureka-times-standard/TI4PF0202BVMI2GLC
it starts with Hillary / Obama and ends up complaing about how the p215 growers have driven down the price as far as I see it and also the Eco profs at HSU and local bankers talk about it also
Prosperity Strategy Analysis:
http://www.humboldt.edu/~envecon/econ_309/Prosperity/swot14.htm
"Threats:
The Humboldt County Economic Prosperity Report is a detailed overview of the
future of our county’s economy. Nevertheless there are several threats to the economic prosperity of Humboldt County that are not looked at in this report. Humboldt County’s dependence on marijuana production is a major threat to the economy. The tourism industry has several threats facing it. Also, the emphasis that the report places on sustainable economy rather than sustainable forestry is a potential threat.
When asked to comment on the underground marijuana economy of Humboldt County, Dr. Hackett of HSU stated, “Humboldt County likely generates 200-500 million dollars through marijuana production every year. What would happen if marijuana were legalized?” The economic ramifications of marijuana legalization would indeed be devastating to Humboldt County. Pro-legalization laws such as Proposition 215 (Medical Marijuana) in California demonstrate that this issue needs to be addressed in the Prosperity Report."
and just last year NCJ had that "bankers lunch" peice which address this perfectly ..
and also points out some intresting facts to show how big the underground econ is ...
More banks, more bank accounts with more depo's and bigger ones more resturants - and then read the last paragraph ...
"That's why I always laugh, when people say, "Oh, we want to legalize marijuana." That's fine, if you want to do that, but I wonder if you understand that it's going to cost us about $200 million. And then the people go, "Oh, no, the Humboldt bud will always be the best." I promise you that Marlboro and everyone already have plans."
here's the whole section by two bankers talking (read who they are on the link above)
http://www.northcoastjournal.com/020206/cover0202.html
SPITULI STATE
Bruner: There is the big elephant that we haven't touched, gentlemen -- I don't know if you want to get into it.
Cleary: Go.
Bruner: Well, it's the underground economy.
Journal: Ah! You know, I've tried to get answers from people about this. No one seems to know.
Bruner: It's far more important than people realize, or want to realize.
Cleary: Didn't one of your colleagues publish a number of, like, $200 million a year?
Bruner: We kicked it around. I remember the sheriff was talking about, in one article, how he thought that one out of three, or one out of four people -- it was really high -- had some sort of play within the underground economy. Mostly marijuana cultivation, of course.
That was one way to look at it. But then you can back in on the numbers. I'm told -- I can't confirm this -- that we have more restaurants per capita than San Francisco in Humboldt County, which is a very strange thing.
Cleary: Another stat, there ...
Bruner: What's that?
Cleary: Banks. In a time when the number of banks is shrinking rapidly around the country, we're getting new banks. You might want to put a call in, but I understand our bank deposits per capita are significantly higher than the rest of the country.
Bruner: That's fascinating. The numbers that we look at, the numbers we see -- they're constantly skewed because of this massive economy that goes on in Humboldt that you can't track. When you get all this influx of money in and you don't know where it's coming from, it sort of skews everything.
What did we say? $200 million? I think it's fair to say that it's as big if not bigger than the timber industry. Whether it's $150 million or $200 million, it's pretty damn big. I don't think there's anyone who's looked at it who says it's less than $150 million.
Journal: But it's fragile, possibly. Any little tweaks in the regulatory system, in prohibition...
Bruner: That's very good. That's why I always laugh, when people say, "Oh, we want to legalize marijuana." That's fine, if you want to do that, but I wonder if you understand that it's going to cost us about $200 million. And then the people go, "Oh, no, the Humboldt bud will always be the best." I promise you that Marlboro and everyone already have plans.
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Your coments on 'love rebles' is fine - like bootlegger 'rebles' maybe they'll make a TV show some day "the dukes of Humboldt" ..
chuckle ... but legalization will take that money out of Humboldt just like ending probition did to bootlegging in the hills of Kentucy ... i think you'd be hard pressed to find one there - and in fact there were many bootleggers here (according to the Hum historical socity info) but I don't think their is one here now!
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As to Paul and his 'willingness to be used by the 'activist guys' -- I totally aggree ...
He's a good DA - if he'd stay away from that crap - I have no idea why he still is beating that dead horse ...
and with Miller retired - (read no more pot rec-s from him or $120 a 20 min pot apointment with him either) = no more income = no more money for activeim.
In fact he's started putting down Indoor grows I just read a peice in the NCJ where he's taken that stancec saying they should be illegal.
Salzman is working a reg Job there for won't have time to do 'activim'
Steve-o is "busy" I asume putting out fires aorund him .. his own and Josh's!
Also they are so funny - as I say we 'get around' and maybe 'hanging out' with the likes of Roger R. one day (the out to lunch bunch is so into taking him out, I think they screwed up backing Cliff - as now everyone knows that those guys are backing him .. local slut-s and all ... I figure it will be the kiss of death to Cliff.
back on track - what I was going to say I hear the 'out to lunch bunch' go on and on about the enviroment and how they are all worried about 'the end of oil' and how we have to be ready for no trucks and be self relient.
and all I can think is that the same people that they are alianting (locals) are the same people who will do fine if all this 'gloom and doom' happens.
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Like the old days when we frist moved up here - each new gen_ of transplants seem to think they know something that they got to 'teach' the locals.
From where I sit and with what I know, I think the locals are doing just fine.
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again as to Josh's grow = nothing was wrong with it - out side the idea of the little item that it was totally illegal.
if its illeagl then HID IT - that's why I think it was stupid and so was he.
Two ways to hide a grow now adays. Either with paperwork from P215 clubs, or with stelth from the air.
he did NEITHER! = there for stupid.
But I aggree that doing it out doors - once legal is the best way - and green housing is the best way to keep the medical cleanlyness up there.
I have abuslutly NOTHING against huge Blub farm type green houses. Just not if they are illegal = that's like trying to shoot yourself in the foot.
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But once its legal - then what Josh did was totally aproprate - I just don't see anything legally in it.
Not paperwork for patients from clubs ...
Also one more thing - the AMOUNT ie - right now the Fed's have set a limit of 99 plants for personal and they won't bother with it if its medical -and the locals don't call them in.
I think I've heard 500-1000 plant limit for clubs (this is all sctechy from hearsay - but the sorces are pretty on top of it - so I'lll toss those numbers out).
So that was another 'rule' Josh broke.
too many plants, no paper work, and right in the open next to the town of blue lake and blocking off a forset service road.
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I'm thinking that this was SUCH a 'shoot your self in the foot" plan - I wonder if he didn't want to get caught?
I too now recall the "hispanic" evidance and the H-met team pointing to sacks of beans and tortillas and chilies if I recall right, spainsh languge magizens.
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Unless Josh is a total idiot - perhaps these guys were 'running him' (and Steve-o) and he perfered shooting himself in the foot - then contiune to serving them ... ???
I don't know I just have NOT seen anything that BLATEN since the mid 70's espcially not since CAMP took to the air!
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I really can't see any way - by any streach of the immaginantion that any one in their right mind would think they'd get away with such a huge mess.
That's why I said it was a 'bad or stupid' grow - not its style - the 'style' was just fine - if MJ was legal - no problem at all!!!
But if it was legal, Josh (and his latin buddies) wouldn't be bothering with it, as the price would be so low it wouldn't be cost effective to bother with.
Because some one would be doing 'the blub farm' in some where that is better weather and access like the central vally.
It's quite a story. If I was a book publisher, I'd offer you a book deal. You could be like Deep Throat in Watergate if you chose, remaining in the shadows.
ReplyDeleteIt really is a part of the history of our time, isn't it, just like prohibition in its way.
I do think it will be legalized, probably within a few years if the burning grow houses don't turn people completely off.
I've heard there are people here standing ready with log and package designs, brand names and ad campaigns... ready to go legit.
And now they're selling pot in vending machines in LA - but you can't even buy cigarettes from a vending machine any more.
Funnym huh?
With regards to Salzman, he has been against Rodoni since the day I met him. I have always asked why those guys (the out to lunch bunch) were so anti Rodoni if they really were pro POT. Because if they were about pot, he has been the only Supervisor who stood up and said no to CAMP, which to me means he has represented his district well.
Therefore the answer is that they are really all about Palco. They don't like Roger because he is, in their minds, in the way of their getting Palco.
Poor Cliff is just their latest tool, unless he sees the light real fast and cuts them out entirely. I doubt he will, he will tell himself they aren't so bad, it's just weirdos like me who are making stuff up about them. But he will find in time that there is a price to pay for his involvement. And one of the costs will be that his decisions will be suspect.
As for Paul - he may be a nice guy in person. He is a terrible DA. He should go back to running his own business, and the world will be a better place. He won't have the bennies, but the world will be a better place.
Kerrigan, Glass, Paul, tainted by their association with Salzman, and his poisonous brand of politics.
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I do wonder why Josh didn't, as you say, go for legitimate clinic grows, because it sure seem to me that they can get away with pretty much anything these days.
I think they thought - Schectman thought - he had the DA and was therefore free to operate with impunity. Whatever it was he was doing.
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I agree with you, pretty much entirely. Surprised?
Hey anonymous at 6:50, since you are clearly a local who knows alot of people why don't you do a little investigating into Hedlund. Maybe some of your suppositions will be born out and some changed? Maybe you can shed light on the Hedlund/Shectman relaionship?
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ReplyDeleteIt's quite a story. If I was a book publisher, I'd offer you a book deal. You could be like Deep Throat in Watergate if you chose, remaining in the shadows.
It really is a part of the history of our time, isn't it, just like prohibition in its way.
chuckle dumb deep throat: my wife says I can make everyone in the room think i'm on their side.
I'm just an observer not a 'deep throat' you know most of this stuff - your just not aware you are. Looking at it from living as a local - you had to shut data out of your mind .. i wasn't I didn't - I'm not oging to re-site all that stuff - it was in all the papers each and every time - one story "so and so got busted - investagotrs looking into possable connections to BLA BLA and then NONE FOUND!"
- the OLD DAYS were corrupt - today is nothing - Paul don't play that game .. you won't find that kind of dirt on him - if you do I'll be amazed / which would be intresting - as that seldom happens
/ I'm sure if enough people read this someone will go "oh I know who that is" / it is the history of our times, but the diffrence is that all though prohibtion people recalled what life was like when it was legal. With MJ no one is that old, or so few that it doesn't matter.
I do think it will be legalized, probably within a few years if the burning grow houses don't turn people completely off.
the funny think about the 'grow housefires' is that they aren't turning people off. The people who are 'off are already off' what they seem tobe doing is making people aware that some other way to deal (pun) with the sisuation is colective or industral type grows. (which of course only makes sense) Arcata is setting tight grow guidelines (reverting to sb420 or 6 plants) and only for people who live with in the home. they have done what is termount to an end run by not going threw Law Enfocemnt and using Code inforcement. ie building inspection, as I understand they've closed down 10 or 15 grows that are 'legal' but unsafe with their newest legal moves. They just go in with building & Planing dept people and say 'shut down or we call PG&E' people argue and they call PG&E end of story.
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Code inforcement makes more sense then tying up Law Enforcment who is busy enough with real crime. Where as these MMJ / P215 people are non-violent and if Law Enfocement is brought in - it just alenates everyone - but if code (building / planing) people come in - its a whole diffrent story - then we're saying "look you can do this - you just have to do it to code"
It seems to be working out.
Also they are looking at allowing (codifing) allowing larger grows in industral areas.
of course the only problem in all this is legality. if someone gets 'too big' they run the risk of bring in the feds. But as most ALL busts by Feds are brought in by local Law Enfocement (something that the MMJ people don't seem to want to look at) then there is a possablity of doing large grows with out involving the Feds. But you'd need to be on good terms with local law enfocement and in fact everyone.
I've heard there are people here standing ready with log and package designs, brand names and ad campaigns... ready to go legit.
We've heard that for quite some time - talk about your "urban ledgens" what IS going on is many of the pharmsuctial companys are pushing to find a way to turn it into something that will be accpeted by the FDA and DEA. Recently an English Pharm corp (GW) got fast tracked for there entrance into the market "Sativx" which is a spray.
You know its funny because I had been talking about (as the pundents do in the citations I provide) that legisation would bring prices down. Take a gander at this ...
Sativx is a spray - you spray it in your mouth.
each dose raises your blood plazma level by 4-6 nanograms of THC / CBD
There are 51 doses in the spray bottle - total blood plazma level rasing capabilites of one bottle there for is apx 225 (I belive) of THC/CBD (and it tasest bad)
for comparisions when someone takes a 'hit" (puff) of pot the blood plazma is rasied to 225.
the price of a bottle of Sativx is $125 (it is avalable in Canada)
Bayer paid 6 Billion dollers for the rights to distrubite it there ... (check out Bayer if you want to see totally evil drug people making a mess of the envorment ... its amazing #2 worst corp in the world)
anway back on point - so the Pharmicys have been working on something to replace what we can produce in ones back yard for free (or very close) and they make no bones about what they have planed
-- citations upon request.
So on one hand prices should drop if production comes up on the other drug companies being dope sellers can't wait to find a way to OVER CHARGE For it!!!
-- its so silly they KNOW it works - first they come out with Marinol which costs about $1,100 a month and is 'too strong' (every patient I know who has tried it said "oh yes it slow the nasua and I can eat - but I fall asleep / its a great sleeping pill \ oh also the cost of cannabis (even at the 'bad' shops and black market prices) to replace that $1,100 a month of 'doctor dope' that is too strong - is about 200 to 400 a month!
Now they've made the med's they want to sell (instead of pot) too weak (4-6 nanograms vs. 225) and its bitter ... and want $125 per "one toaks worth' of pot! ... amazing huh?
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And now they're selling pot in vending machines in LA - but you can't even buy cigarettes from a vending machine any more.
Funny huh?
Funny weird! - or intresting as there are several countries who have legal MMJ programs (Candada allows you to grow your own and also has a goverement pot program that sells it in Rx Pharms for a 1500% mark up! Netherlands also has a MMJ program) - - -
as does Califonia and 12 other states (4 more this next 2008 election will most likely pass pro MMJ laws)
and the UN Treaty (which the DEA et al keep talking about what we (the USA) can't violate - as one of the reasons that they can't allow MMJ) -- anyway the UN spical fouce group just came out against these Vending machines!!! -- silly huh?
clubs, goverment programs, et al (btw USA gives away 1/2 a pound a month to their patients only 7 left, it was the last act of bush sr. in office. the health dept was being unindated with HIV patients (MMJ really helps with HIV treatment alowing the patient to keep weight on and not vomit up food.) ... of course as we all know HIV is a curse from a loving God ... so he had to cancle the program and only allow those who are on it at that time to contiune.
What ever happens it will be intresting I'm sure.
With regards to Salzman, he has been against Rodoni since the day I met him. I have always asked why those guys (the out to lunch bunch) were so anti Rodoni if they really were pro POT. Because if they were about pot, he has been the only Supervisor who stood up and said no to CAMP, which to me means he has represented his district well.
Therefore the answer is that they are really all about Palco. They don't like Roger because he is, in their minds, in the way of their getting Palco.
as my child would say "DUH!"
its about what ever they think is "progressive"
growth/non-growth
timeber/non-timber
railroad/no-railroad
Miller is crazy running around saying one thing one moment then another next - and don't you under stand I'm a doctor - I'm smarter then you are .. (I piss him off so much .. you wouldn't belive it)
Slazman? I see him as out of the 'game' he's grown up and went to work with a real job.
Steve-o? like I say he's busy with his program - or keeping away from his program
the rest Local Slut-s and the rest? baslicly can't find their butts with both hands. If they can get someone else to do the work for them - they do fine - but for them to work them selves
- they can find some money now and then - but the real works done by people not these nuts and there is so much infighting after the looses in the last election in Eureka its total blame game and after all there is only so much money to go around for them to feed on - so their is infighting about that too.
it has little if anything to do with pot - belive it or not So Hum doesn't put out money for elections (even Paul who'd think they would back) .. hell they barly vote (don't want to tell people where they live .. tinfoil hats anyone?)
Poor Cliff is just their latest tool, unless he sees the light real fast and cuts them out entirely. I doubt he will, he will tell himself they aren't so bad, it's just weirdos like me who are making stuff up about them. But he will find in time that there is a price to pay for his involvement. And one of the costs will be that his decisions will be suspect.
If he even gets the vote - which with Bush blow back their maybe enough votes to do something - we'll see I just LIKE Roger period. Cliff is already suspect just alowing those people even around him!
As for Paul - he may be a nice guy in person. He is a terrible DA. He should go back to running his own business, and the world will be a better place. He won't have the bennies, but the world will be a better place.
We'll have to aggree to disagree. I know the old DA(s) and he's no worst then they were and maybe better. My opion its what makes a horse race! -- I hope this won't effect our realtionship in the future.
Kerrigan, Glass, Paul, tainted by their association with Salzman, and his poisonous brand of politics.
I'm really intrested to see what Salzman does in the future I think someone (ahum) pulled his covers or something like that - he tried to go "head to head" or play 'hard ball' with someone who wouldn't be pushed and just laughed at him when he pulled his crap -- that and the lose in Eureka - and before that the disinfancing from Paul behind the e-mail item. (I know you don't belive Saltzman wasn't involved in the last Paul campaign - but in fact he wasn't. he was disinfrancized from the Local Slut-s and that group and Paul .. as I say there is only so many bucks to pay 'campaign managers' or that sort of people - and they all fight for it.
You see it from the outside
I see it from the inside - as inside as i get with anyone.
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I do wonder why Josh didn't, as you say, go for legitimate clinic grows, because it sure seem to me that they can get away with pretty much anything these days.
Yup my #1 question also for years every time I hear about this sort of thing I go "what the F*? why didn' tthey just put some paper on it" -- though PLEASE go find the images that were presented at the Board of Sups - it might be hard to put the paper work enough to cover that! Naaaayyy with one or two LA clubs that would be enough to cover it.
I don't know why anyone would take a chance like that - but I don't understand a lot of what people do.
I think they thought - Schectman thought - he had the DA and was therefore free to operate with impunity. Whatever it was he was doing.
You know of everything i've ever heard about Steve-o I've NEVER heard that! and I'd "tell" if I did. I've never heard him use Paul like that. Perhaps it was just from people he knew that knew me - but all i ever heard from him (besides lots of ego and blow hard) was that one needed to be legitamate, that's why everyone I knew that knows Steve-o was waiting to hear him or someone pull (out of the hat) a bunch of patients they were growing for - a club or something - I know that he was aproching clubs up here, and one even gave him money to do some paperwork for them - another still owes him money!
I don't know anything else but hearsay - I've never had personal dealings with him. Besides running into him at parties and such.
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I agree with you, pretty much entirely. Surprised?
2/09/2008 7:18 PM
Well not really - but you are sweet - do you want to go out for drinks?
I still like Paul
and think Saltzman is out of the game (wife is making him ... )
Steve-o didn't go "grow like pot was legal because I knew the DA once." (I just don't see him saying that + it wouldn't fly)
I don't know why Josh did what he does - it doesn't make any sense at all
too close to town in the middle of humboldt right under a fly zone?
-- close off loging roads
-- build homes (cabins) and clear cut areas and fill them with pot grows / hoop houses (green houses)
It just blows my mind. But then I hear about one of these every few years and go "WTF???"
such is life
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Beowulf said...
Hey anonymous at 6:50, since you are clearly a local who knows alot of people why don't you do a little investigating into Hedlund. Maybe some of your suppositions will be born out and some changed? Maybe you can shed light on the Hedlund/Shectman relaionship?
2/09/2008 8:49 PM
I really wouldn't go out of my way, I'm sure with in a year I'll run into him some where or someone will fill me in. Why would I care?
Like I say hedlund was a moron for doing what he did - in such a well travled area. he was a local boy so he knew how stupid it was. He just wanted to shot himself in the foot I asume life was too good, he had to screw it up.
Steve-o? why would I want to talk to that guy? he's doing one of two things (I ASUME) all the time fillping between the two emotions.
he's in total fear over the Hedlund case
and total ego about his pushing congress on the DEA LandLord letters
So he'd be a total nut case filp flop crazy. Nope I live a nice quite life - don't poke my nose in like they say in the 12-steps I'm sure "more will be revieled" as time goes by.
Supposeidly Josh chimed in on this blog. and also gave ms. rose his number - maybe she can call him. I asume he's sticking to his party line - given the LATIN flavor that this all has. its the smart thing to do. Poor guy must be going crazy not because of the bust - but he's facing 'time' and will be where 'they' can get to him and do what they want. Pertty scary - if (as I supecte) he has info on them. Steve-o is just some fool attonry who said "sure you can put this in my name"
Seen it all before - the "hunt clubs" that ranchs were turned into was tipical of the 1970's verson of this. Hum maybe that was the verious residences and the grow chopped into peices - each one to look seprate? Maybe that was the 'plan' to say "oh these were all difrent people"
but Josh didn't get the paper work to 'create' the names in each "home."
Also they (Law Enforcment) came in though the Bezerkly raid (as I say that in itself is crazy - given Bezerkly is like Arcata and Oakland in their loose p215 laws and has clubs and grows all over the place.)
So perhaps Josh wasn't totally up front with his attonry. didn't lay all his cards down and Steve-o though it was just one place??? -- or what???
Just like looking at a chess game - but NOPE I don't want to 'go to war' - I'll just look at the peices and see what plays out.
The attonrys who set these up / back in the 70's-80's never took a fall - its just paper work they get paid to shuffle - they don't know what's going on out on the land. Look at Steve-o's finger nails ...
as I said before he never been on a D8 or even a 6 let alone even knnow what one was!
It is interesting. It's only been recently where things were so much more out in the open that we all hear about harvest season and clipping jobs. I don't remember ever hearing about that before, at least up here. Used to be kids got summer jobs picking daffodils (daffodil farms are all gone) or pulling green chain (mills are all gone now). I didn't realize they had to almost close the hospitals for clipping (is that the right term?) It must pay well, then.
ReplyDeleteThe difference in costs with the pharmaceutical companies - it's worse than the clinics, which are as bad(?) as the street, but growing your own really is free (If you know where to get seeds, I guess).
In the 70s I remember anyone who had a locked greenhouse ended up with it broken into. Like I said, I don't want it around me, but, if my MOm had cancer, and it helped her eat, I'd grow it in a nanosecond. I think that most, if not all people kinda feel that way. Again, that's why 215 passed. It wasn't for these big growers, and making millions. That's why I call it a sham - not because I disagree with the munchie effect benefits.
Kinda like this last election - Either repeal term limits, or don't, but don't try to fool people. Funny, I always thought elections were a form of term limits.
do you want to go out for drinks?
LOl. Sure. Coffee is my drug of choice. So sometime, sure. You know where to find me. :)
Does this mean anything? (Found on 'heraldo's'
ReplyDeleteHey, did anybody hear about the massive bust in Mendocino?
You can read about it in the Press Democrat or the Ukiah Daily Journal.
This just in: Josh Lonetree Hedlund’s buddy and family friend, Kite Finds the Feather (you can’t make up names like that), got popped with 270+ lights, 100lbs, and a 350KW and 400KW generators!!! Holy shit, that’s phat! Hummm… . It’s really strange that Josh JUST made his plea bargin at the begining of Feb., and then low and behold a couple weeks later his friend (or should I say business partner?) gets busted. Hummmmm….I wonder if the property was controlled by an LLC set up by Josh… . Josh is the Anti-Midas, anything he touches turns to SHIT!
Watch for upcoming busts in Mendo. and Hum. Cos. as Josh frantically tries to save his scrawny little, pretty-boy ass at any cost.
Looks like the Lonetree has contracted Sudden Oak Death Disease. Hope it doesn’t spread too far.
Stay tuned folks, this mess ain’t over yet!
Josh could narc on the schmook ranch llc members now[the faroan gang,bob[yang]howard,dan miller,doug fir,ami conway,Jeanie foster,ken bullock[carol bruno's son by first husband],celeste pinney[heather lake's gal-pal],ferral baughman[of oakland].Did Gary [jimmy]passmoore "set up" headlund with funds for initial schmook ranch llc purchase from eel river sawmills???Is there really a secret[US military] base under south fork MTN.?
ReplyDeleteThere is definately a secret base under south fork MTN, I saw Josh Hedlund and a bunch of scientologists meeting aliens from outer space there.
ReplyDeleteLOL - well maybe that explains this letter to the editor about the red orbs...Who else saw 'mystery orb'?
ReplyDeleteand this responseHave patience, you'll see them
there is a mysterious red orb in the sky every day, I hear it is called the sun. I hear growers use it for their corps but I am not sure how it all works. . . i think the goverment is trying to cover this up, but I say don't let them get away with it.
ReplyDeleteCoffee is fine - though not to late, as I keeps me up. And I like mine with lots of creem and suger.
ReplyDeleteNow for something REALLY important and SAD - OH's is closing this month the 29th. NOW where am I going to go to get BEEF quick with a 2x backed potato in moments noticce?
AA Bar has the best in town, the ambance isn't what it is at OH's.
So when do you want to do coffee Rose? Maybe dinner at OH's before it closes!
Oh this is Dumb Deep T. - chuckle if you hadn't guessed.
and WOW - I had to run into the building Steve-o office is in a couple times, and damn if it wasn't tempting to drop in and ask him some questions.
But reason took hold and I'm so busy, and I don't think I'd get any info out of him - on an 'on going case' anyway ... + then I'd have to take a shower .. and I'm too busy to do that ... more then once a day!
Ta ta ...
Dear Deep Throat - DDT? That's an interesting moniker :)
ReplyDeleteUse the email link in the sidebar and we'll figure it out. Be funny if it turns out we know each other. Not too likely, but Humboldt County is a small town.
Unless you want to announce publicly where we'll be...
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ReplyDeleteSchmook Ranch Modern History and Forest Habitat Conservation Association uhh, not coming up in a google search...
ReplyDeleteRose, whatever became of you dialoge with Josh Hedlund?
ReplyDeleteI sent an email to the email address he provided, and said, sure I'd be interested in talking to him, how 'bout coffee - because those kinds of conversations you should be face to face not an amorphous voice on the phone - and I haven't heard back.
ReplyDeleteI do not blame him based on the tenor of the discussion above.
But I would be interested in hearing his side.
Me too, maybe Josh could shed some light on the Schmook Ranch Modern History and Forest Habitit Conservation Association (nice pithy name). What is theie address? Phone number? Who are the members of the association? Where are the archives housed and what are they ? I am schocked that Josh has not followed through on his offer to speak with you. Maybe he has just been too busy lately.
ReplyDeleteWell. much as he might want to talk, he probably shouldn't. You can imagine his lawyer would be telling him to shut up. So - I don't blame him and I am not surprised. He doesn't know me from anyone, and would have no reason to trust me.
ReplyDeleteSteve Schectman is still around, by the way.
ReplyDeleteI keep trying to post under my own name but for some reason it won't register. Sorry, if this is a multiple posting. Rose I invited you to a private conversation, but I never heard from you. Please send me a copy of your sent email, or better yet just email me at joshhedlund@yahoo.com. I would love to take you to coffee, your treat, call me anytime at 415-850-7118. Josh
ReplyDeleteI used the email address you provided. My email address/link is in the sidebar. Lots of people use it so I know it works.
ReplyDeleteWhile I am intensely curious - have lots of questions, and would love to hear your side - I am surprised your lawyer would let you meet with someone like me. Though it is not my intent to broadcast our conversation, you and your lawyer have no way of knowing that, and given my somewhat anti-pot stance, and ABSOLUTE antipathy towards your partner in Vilica, Steve Schectman, you have to think seriously about this. Because I have to tell you there are only a few people I hold in as complete contempt and disgust as I do that man.
How you got mixed up with him - how you fell into this whole mess, how what this generation has done led to the conditions that created your choices, how you went from the son of a good Supervisor to a major pot dealer, how the whole LLC thing works, who is really part of Vilica, Paradise Palms, how many other LLCs, what would you do different if you could - I have lots and lots and lots of questions. Those are just a few.
My gut says it is not a good idea for you to meet with me. But the link is in the sidebar. Check with your lawyer. (Schectman's not your lawyer, I hope.)
Here's another LLC - according to the Alameda County Records, 809 Allston way was sold in 2003 to the Allston LLC (Josh Hedlund). The succesors to the trust are listed as KITE FINDS THE FEATHER AND AMANDA WOOD, both of Mendocino,Ca. The mailing address for the trust is listed as 807 Allston way.
ReplyDeleteDo I need to connect the dots for you?