tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post8102104560787263081..comments2023-12-23T03:49:20.907-08:00Comments on watchpaul: In the UNBELIEVABLE! Dept.Rosehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-6635598584143521852008-09-23T13:27:00.000-07:002008-09-23T13:27:00.000-07:00YES! The TS, ER and The Journal all have it up as ...YES! The TS, ER and The Journal all have it up as breaking news. Fred has a post, and I have a new post up.<BR/><BR/>Kaitlin says the Judge ruled against the People - and fails to see the Judge rules in favor of the Law and the Constitution.<BR/><BR/>I don't think the pro-bono lawyers are going to help her.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-30603207467815683992008-09-23T11:20:00.000-07:002008-09-23T11:20:00.000-07:00Measure T appears to have died yesterday. Sopoci ...Measure T appears to have died yesterday. Sopoci Belknap once again proclaims the courts are wrong. Thank god her common sense is alive and well otherwise we would absolutely screwed because we cannot actually make rational decisions for ourselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-33492219942284276302008-09-23T10:25:00.000-07:002008-09-23T10:25:00.000-07:00As far as the school bond in McKinleyville, the bi...As far as the school bond in McKinleyville, the big money came from the bond financier in Oakland - no employees in Humboldt and the bond attorney in San Francisco - no employees in Humboldt. They both made two separate contributions that totalled $16,000. They both will make a lot of money from the bond as their bills are paid from the bond money before anything would be done to the school. There were ads run in newspaper and fancy professional flyers done by out of town campaign consultant mailed to all voters in McKinleyville.<BR/><BR/>I remember when Sara Senger ran for Supervisor against well known incumbent and she would not take more than $99 as a contribution. She only lost by 40 or 41 votes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-77628177491388946162008-09-19T12:55:00.000-07:002008-09-19T12:55:00.000-07:00Looking back at some of Anon.R.mous' posts:Wednesd...Looking back at some of Anon.R.mous' posts:<BR/><I>Wednesday, February 15, 2006<BR/> <BR/>votepaul.org, not a local Corp? Naw..... oh wait!<BR/><BR/>Domain ID:D103184490-LROR<BR/>Domain Name:VOTEPAUL.ORG<BR/>Created On:26-Nov-2003 17:34:31 UTC<BR/>Last Updated On:30-Jan-2006 15:44:18 UTC<BR/>Expiration Date:26-Nov-2007 17:34:31 UTC<BR/>Sponsoring Registrar:RegisterFly.com, Inc. (R1368-LROR)<BR/>Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED<BR/>Registrant ID:DI_2357775<BR/>Registrant Name:Default Profile<BR/>Registrant Organization:N/A:28405198<BR/>Registrant Street1:404 Main Street<BR/>Registrant Street2:4th Floor<BR/>Registrant Street3:<BR/>Registrant City:Boonton<BR/>Registrant State/Province:NJ<BR/>Registrant Postal Code:07005<BR/>Registrant Country:US<BR/>Registrant Phone:+1.9737362545<BR/>Registrant Phone Ext.:<BR/>Registrant FAX:+1.9737361355<BR/>Registrant FAX Ext.:<BR/>Registrant Email:support@registerfly.com<BR/>Admin ID:DI_2357775<BR/>Admin Name:Default Profile<BR/>Admin Organization:N/A:28405198<BR/>Admin Street1:404 Main Street<BR/>Admin Street2:4th Floor<BR/>Admin Street3:<BR/>Admin City:Boonton<BR/>Admin State/Province:NJ<BR/>Admin Postal Code:07005<BR/>Admin Country:US<BR/>Admin Phone:+1.9737362545<BR/>Admin Phone Ext.:<BR/>Admin FAX:+1.9737361355<BR/>Admin FAX Ext.:<BR/>Admin Email:support@registerfly.com<BR/>Tech ID:DI_2357775<BR/>Tech Name:Default Profile<BR/>Tech Organization:N/A:28405198<BR/>Tech Street1:404 Main Street<BR/>Tech Street2:4th Floor<BR/>Tech Street3:<BR/>Tech City:Boonton<BR/>Tech State/Province:NJ<BR/>Tech Postal Code:07005<BR/>Tech Country:US<BR/>Tech Phone:+1.9737362545<BR/>Tech Phone Ext.:<BR/>Tech FAX:+1.9737361355<BR/>Tech FAX Ext.:<BR/>Tech Email:support@registerfly.com<BR/>Name Server:NS1.MORSEMEDIA.NET<BR/>Name Server:NS2.MORSEMEDIA.NET<BR/><BR/>I do think this is the first time that I have seen someone use a local hosting company though. ICANN might not be happy with the lack of real ownership data though. But as it sits right now, votepaul.org is owned by a non local Corporation, and that's just so damn funny!<BR/><BR/>http://registerfly.com/<BR/><BR/>We are not a "one man" shop (like many domain registrars and resellers) or a "here today gone tomorrow" business, we have invested substantially in positioning Registerfly.com as a global industry leader.<BR/><BR/>I guess corporations are evil, unless you need a product or to run a campaign. And I guess we should give a shout out to http://www.morsemedia.net for hosting this.<BR/><BR/>posted by Anon.R.mous</I>Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-64327801117970985062008-09-18T21:45:00.000-07:002008-09-18T21:45:00.000-07:00What about Proposition 5 ? George Soros has alrea...What about Proposition 5 ? George Soros has already kicked in 1.4 million.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-52352798403006136902008-09-18T21:20:00.000-07:002008-09-18T21:20:00.000-07:00But where does redwood aclu stand on nambla?But where does redwood aclu stand on nambla?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-5414390555480301012008-09-18T11:30:00.000-07:002008-09-18T11:30:00.000-07:00Thank you again, redwood aclu.Thank you again, redwood aclu.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-88311303161029773122008-09-18T11:03:00.000-07:002008-09-18T11:03:00.000-07:00Rose, we'll have to get back to you on the adverti...Rose, we'll have to get back to you on the advertisements you noted here. We simply don't know anything about them, since they're not concerning the Redwood Chapter or the ACLU of Northern California (as a matter of record, our local chapter has never had paid staff). We do know that standing ACLU policy is dead-set against our organization supporting or opposing any candidates.<BR/><BR/>In terms of contribution limits, while our local chapter is neutral on laws such as the one in Arcata which concern candidates, the ACLU on the local, state and national level is entirely opposed to limiting contributions in support of or opposition to ballot initiatives. The ACLU-NC is heavily involved in efforts to support and oppose various statewide propositions in nearly every election and we don't want such efforts restricted.Redwood ACLUhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10262768836949972786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-70820496767263925782008-09-18T06:47:00.000-07:002008-09-18T06:47:00.000-07:00One difference, if not the biggest difference, wou...One difference, if not the biggest difference, would be that Measure T doesn't affect all parties equally. Unions are given beneficial treatment over businesses, period. <BR/><BR/>If everyone is limited to contributing a certain amount- and I mean everyone- then it would seem to be fair across the board.<BR/><BR/>Problem I have with it is- and I've brought this up long ago- the proposed contribution limits would give whatever side has the most people behind it a permanent spending advantage. <BR/><BR/>To make it simple: You have 100 voters and each is allowed to spend $50 on a candidate or issue.<BR/><BR/>60 of those voters are initially opposed to Measure X, 40 support. The majority opinion can raise $3000, the minority $2000. That's it. The minority already suffers in support, the campaign limitations don't allow the minority to try and catch up with the majority.<BR/><BR/>With campaign contribution caps, minorities have an even bigger chance of remaining a minority since they can't rely on a big donor to help them level the playing field. That assumes that more money equals more votes and I can't remember the last time I've voted one way because of an advertisement I've seen, but it seems a lot of people do.Fred Mangelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746646487480850444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-10655034576739530992008-09-17T22:35:00.000-07:002008-09-17T22:35:00.000-07:00Posted this on Fred's blog as well.Chris and whome...Posted this on Fred's blog as well.<BR/><BR/>Chris and whomever else,if the ACLU doesn't support Measure T then they shouldn't support any contribution limitations,as by their accord it would be a restriction on free speech.As a matter of fact,they should declare that Arcata's limitation ordinance is unconstitutional as well,and should back any lawsuit against that.mresquanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00644535031615078618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-52101545422569726062008-09-17T21:59:00.000-07:002008-09-17T21:59:00.000-07:00I don't get the connection, Rose, unless you're ta...I don't get the connection, Rose, unless you're talking about the same recruiting firm contracting with both the ACLU and with some other campaigns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-43204766513741911242008-09-17T21:08:00.000-07:002008-09-17T21:08:00.000-07:00I am genuinely curious. Because there was a time w...I am genuinely curious. Because there was a time when I believed the ACLU was a force for good. But I have seen a turn.<BR/><BR/>Today's action, <B>locally,</B> reminds me of the ACLU that used to be. Honestly standing up to protect free speech.<BR/><BR/>And I want to understand what this other side is - is the ACLU being used by other groups?<BR/><BR/>What is this side that recruits young college kids, turns them into community organizers and sends them out into communities like ours to wreak havoc on the political system?<BR/><BR/>Because that ad, above leads on - <A HREF="http://watchpaul.blogspot.com/2007/06/big-money-or-grassroots.html" REL="nofollow">an interesting trail...</A><BR/><BR/>who is (212) 219-1502?<BR/><BR/>It's not the ACLU. It's <BR/>Grass Roots Campaigns<BR/>53 W 36 St<BR/>Manhattan, NY 10018<BR/><BR/>with ads all over the country:<BR/><BR/>Summer Jobs to Take Back the White House: $5500-$8500/summer<BR/>Help put the country back on the right path! Call Steve at 212-219-1502. Compensation: $5500-$8500/summer; Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact ...<BR/>newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/npo/342585496.html - Jun 6, 2007 - Similar pages<BR/><BR/>Summer Jobs to Defend Civil Liberties: $5500-$8500/summer<BR/>The ACLU is fighting back against illegal laws allowing warantless wiretapping and torture. Call Stephanie at 212-219-1502 ...<BR/>newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/npo/344469819.html - Similar pages<BR/><BR/>Summer Jobs - Campaign to Help the Democrats Take Back the House ...<BR/>Call Rachel at 212-219-1502. How To Apply:. Please contact an office near you, or call our central office at ... Phone:, 212-219-1502. Email:, New York ...<BR/><BR/>Grassroots Campaigns is hiring to work with MoveOn.org Political ...<BR/>To Apply: Email your resume to Diane: jobs@grassrootscampaigns.com or apply online at: http://www.grassrootscampaigns.com/. Grassroots Campaigns, Inc. runs ...<BR/><BR/>ACLU?<BR/>Grassroots Campaign?<BR/>DNC?<BR/>MoveOn.Org?Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-32510873026080217892008-09-17T20:21:00.000-07:002008-09-17T20:21:00.000-07:00And where do they get the money?And where do they get the money?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-26658368494494695572008-09-17T20:17:00.000-07:002008-09-17T20:17:00.000-07:00Redwood ACLU - can you tell me what the ACLU has t...Redwood ACLU - can you tell me what the ACLU has to do with this - <BR/>New York Times Thursday June 7<BR/>ACTIVIST Summer jobs<BR/>Restore our Constitutional Protection<BR/>$5,500 - $8.500/summer<BR/>Work for grassroots campaigns on behalf of the American Civil Liverties Union<BR/>Stop Executive Abuse of Power<BR/>full time/career call Sam (212) 219-1502<BR/>******************************************<BR/><BR/>What exactly does the ACLU do with the kids they recruit?Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-83358282879260381812008-09-17T19:19:00.000-07:002008-09-17T19:19:00.000-07:00Care to elaborate?Care to elaborate?Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-15230459105644007612008-09-17T18:30:00.000-07:002008-09-17T18:30:00.000-07:00Check out KMUD News when it replays in the morning...Check out KMUD News when it replays in the morning, Rose. You'll be impressed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-89405679503425559312008-09-17T17:45:00.000-07:002008-09-17T17:45:00.000-07:00Arcata has contribution caps and their elections a...Arcata has contribution caps and their elections are still strenuously contested. $1k to $1.5k for donations (cash or otherwise) seem fair for a county-wide alternative to Measure Turkey. Probably $750 for Eureka, $200 to $400 for the other cities. Of course these would all be pegged to inflation like Arcata's is, and would crawl up over time...although Arcata uses CPI, which has been a manipulated, artificially low figure since Clinton played with the measuring stick in the mid-90s, we could use some sort of ad rate-related indexing to cover the real rate of inflation for political campaigns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-55445785512119912112008-09-17T16:33:00.000-07:002008-09-17T16:33:00.000-07:00See, I guess first you have to convince me the sys...See, I guess first you have to convince me the system is broken. I don't think it is. I think it works just fine, even if I don't agree with the outcomes sometimes.<BR/><BR/>I do think Salzman skirted the rules bigtime and got away with it bigtime and I wish to God someone would look into it, but no one will, and no one will ever look into whether someone violates Measure T, either, unless of course they are conservative....Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-50205604429767400442008-09-17T16:30:00.000-07:002008-09-17T16:30:00.000-07:00Measure T is a flat out worthless piece of shit sc...Measure T is a flat out worthless piece of shit scam (I did steal the POS from you I think) - so in part I agree, any deal you come up with is better than that.<BR/><BR/>BUT - I still do not agree with the caps. There are existing caps, as I recall, and they are set fairly high. VERY VERY few people have the means to meet those caps so those donations are few and far between, but they are just as legitimate as the smaller ones.<BR/><BR/>And, of course, any big donations are justifiably scrutinized and used as ammunition by opponents - but, the public doesn't seem to care much - they didn't mind Arkley's donations to Gallegos, they don't seem too upset by the Tribe's huge donations to Bonnie and Clif, and Gallegos - and they are equally unimpressed by people who pledge to take no donations (Pitino and others).<BR/><BR/>What you'll end up doing is hogtying the good people - and the bad guys'll still get away with murder.<BR/><BR/>And the Alliance for Oh-SO-Ethical Business is still untouched. Still unexamined.<BR/><BR/>I have no faith.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-2064794599071028992008-09-17T16:16:00.000-07:002008-09-17T16:16:00.000-07:00Here is my suggested starting point on campaign do...Here is my suggested starting point on campaign donation limitations, Rose. I am open to adjustments ...<BR/><BR/>** $500 cap on city council races<BR/>** $750 on special district races<BR/>** $1,000 on mayor races<BR/>** $1,500 on countywide races (sheriff, supervisor, DA, etc)<BR/>** races in whcih there is a primary and runoff means the cap applies to each race, not a cumulative total for both.<BR/>** Husbands and wives can't "stack" donations, but union members/union and employees/employers can<BR/>** Some reasonable limitation is needed for in-kind and auction donations. <BR/><BR/>Reasonable minds can disagree, but working on these details is MUCH more productive than Measure T.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-91557543538085247132008-09-17T15:46:00.000-07:002008-09-17T15:46:00.000-07:00Make that 'kill OFF' - not 'of' - dang typos.Make that 'kill OFF' - not 'of' - dang typos.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-92106031368014601492008-09-17T15:45:00.000-07:002008-09-17T15:45:00.000-07:00I agree with the Kudos.BUT - as I have said before...I agree with the Kudos.<BR/><BR/>BUT - as I have said before - a $500 cap is completely unreasonable and will kill of any meaningful campaign advertising in this County. It is an outdated figure.<BR/><BR/>I'm not in favor of caps anyway, but if one is to be set, it has to be based on some reasonable understanding of the cost of advertising and campaign materials, all of which have gone up in recent years. You have to look at the per inch rate of the TS and ER, the cost of a quarter, half and full page ad in the Journal, Eye, Press and Independent, the cost of buying a 30 second ad on Ch 3, cable, the cost of radio ads - AND take into account the number of stations to be advertised on - we have a very high number of news and media sources here.<BR/><BR/>The cost of campaign signs, flyers, brochures, buttons, bumper stickers, direct mail pieces - they're all very important means of communication for your candidates - and limiting their ability to utilize them is a form of limiting their free speech. It will definitely harm their ability to communicate with voters.<BR/><BR/>I'd also point out that lots of money has not meant automatic win. So the 'undue influence' doesn't necessarily hold.<BR/><BR/>Another question would be whether you can cap the tribal donations - they are a separate nation after all.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-38348828058000159932008-09-17T15:33:00.000-07:002008-09-17T15:33:00.000-07:00... and add this to your unbelievable category ....... and add <I>this</I> to your unbelievable category ...<BR/><BR/>The business community will join with the ACLU in campaign finance reform after this election. We, like the ACLU and the public at large, are concerned with the undue influence of large campaign donations and support caps. Exactly what those caps are, as well as the related details are worth our collective attention to work out.<BR/><BR/>Kudos to the ACLU for stepping up to the plate in this important issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-74142438684476626682008-09-17T10:09:00.000-07:002008-09-17T10:09:00.000-07:00Thanks, Redwood ACLU. That should be an interestin...Thanks, Redwood ACLU. That should be an interesting forum. I am surprised and impressed.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-72860250224624239622008-09-17T09:54:00.000-07:002008-09-17T09:54:00.000-07:00Thanks for the props, Rose.It's not really so unbe...Thanks for the props, Rose.<BR/><BR/>It's not really so unbelievable, since the ACLU was never in favor of Measure T in the first place. Heck, we were even against McCain/Feingold on the national level. We apply very strict 1st Amendment free speech standards to campaign finance laws.<BR/><BR/>We're looking to have an election reform forum after this fall's contest is over, and we certainly invite your support and participation.Redwood ACLUhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10262768836949972786noreply@blogger.com