tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post3516771956632823125..comments2023-12-23T03:49:20.907-08:00Comments on watchpaul: Willits Council votes to repeal Measure GRosehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-6450046721491559822008-01-05T12:42:00.000-08:002008-01-05T12:42:00.000-08:00Ok - you're talking more about Southern Humboldt, ...Ok - you're talking more about Southern Humboldt, and I have no doubt that you know what you are talking about, but up here, I do know alot of people who sold their house in So Cal and moved here because it is quiet, beautiful and they marvel at the a5 minute commute. The make good neighbors, and keep alot of contractors and carpenters employed with full scale and often high end remodels.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-29225193137333011902008-01-05T11:46:00.000-08:002008-01-05T11:46:00.000-08:00Rose RoseThe marijuana industry has had a huge ef...Rose Rose<BR/><BR/>The marijuana industry has had a huge effect on the Humboldt real estate market. That myth about retirees from the bay area is pretty much just a myth. Altough I have met one person that retired from the bay area and moved to Humboldt BUT, that was to be close to her only daughter (who went to Humboldt State and stayed on). <BR/><BR/>Many MANY of the local upper level dope growers put their profits in real property. In Humboldt county and elsewhere (out of state). Shelter Cove is bought up by dope growers. Alderoint, Island Mountain, Etttersburg, and so on. A couple of the big boys (mega growers) are buying rental type property in the Eureka area and becoming semi legit. They have the money to buy a crappy house, pay for a re-model, then rent it out and Presto Chango the dope grower is a "landloard". They use a property manager and never even have to do the little repair jobs. And as a "landlord" they can claim "legit" income for further loan applications, and get income tax write offs. And I doublt if they would knowingly rent a place to be used as a grow house. They are plenty of "marginal" real estate agents in Humboldt County, especially in SoHum and Fortuna.<BR/><BR/>Lets face it. After 35 years of the marijuana culture and economy in Humboldt County just about every facit of the community and government is corrupted, or at a minimum financially influenced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-12274753450983995192008-01-03T23:26:00.000-08:002008-01-03T23:26:00.000-08:00Yeah. Amen to that.Yeah. Amen to that.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-64108989155272753962008-01-03T22:56:00.000-08:002008-01-03T22:56:00.000-08:00rose, i agree. the main influx to the area is from...rose,<BR/> i agree. the main influx to the area is from retirees from higher priced southern markets. although the rate of influx may be decreased until the market picks up again in socal. <BR/><BR/>in my opinion, the thing that really drove up prices was the easy availiability of money(credit).....with the introduction of "subprime" loans, millions and millions of people who couldnt qualify to buy a home a few years ago were now qualifying. millions of new buyers flood the market. <BR/><BR/>hopefully the fed will reduce the interest rate by more than .25% next time...<BR/><BR/>and hopefully the banks loosen up and realize that real estate is still a good investment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-53332880539885639842008-01-03T22:22:00.000-08:002008-01-03T22:22:00.000-08:00You can tell when the market is over its peak - es...You can tell when the market is over its peak - especially this last go'round - when you see all the FSBOs. It reaches a certain high point and people don't want to share any of the gains with a realtor. Then it dips back a bit, plateaus for a while (5-7 years), so it may be a wait.<BR/><BR/>Everybody talks about all the pot money up here influencing the housing market, and I suppose it does, though it seems most grow houses are rentals, the growers don't want to risk their own property.<BR/><BR/>Seems to me what drives the prices up here are all the people who sell in higher priced southern markets, who have money to spare in a market like this. They use the extra money for remodeling and upgrades.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-73380961819818406422008-01-03T22:09:00.000-08:002008-01-03T22:09:00.000-08:00We actually weren't hurt by it but did lose at lea...We actually weren't hurt by it but did lose at least two potential buyers who tried to use the comp house as a bargaining chip, one denied financing because of it, & I was worried. We also had some very "creative" offers from people who wanted us to hide money. It was an eye-opener for me. Very brazen, I thought, considering these people didn't know us. We lucked out because we sold just as the market was turning & bought here after the slump but it did take a long time to sell our house. We're happy with our deals. I've spent so much time dealing with real estate the last couple of years that I am now considering getting a license. <BR/>Given your skills, it's smart to buy & flip. My parents did very well for themselves doing that same thing & you will, too. Real estate will always be a good investment (if you buy smart) because, unlike everything else we invest in, no more is being made. The market is cyclical & will come back, as you know. People get in trouble when they lose patience. Good for you, Tom!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-47855151198580712422008-01-03T21:30:00.000-08:002008-01-03T21:30:00.000-08:00rose, i agree. real estate will continue to be a ...rose,<BR/> i agree. real estate will continue to be a strong investmet.<BR/><BR/>robin,<BR/> something is only worth what someone else will pay for it. that said, if you knew that your neighbor was able to get x amount of dollars for her house, why would you expect any less? i would have insisted on getting the most money that i could possibly have gotten. were perspective buyers having trouble aquiring financing because of the lower priced comparable? i could see that being one possible problem. another problem could have been that the market had changed for the worse since your neighbor sold out. <BR/><BR/>and no, i have never had an experience like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-8602528300222550692008-01-03T21:06:00.000-08:002008-01-03T21:06:00.000-08:00Actually, I said "underground marijuana economy" n...Actually, I said "underground marijuana economy" not "industry" but that's okay. <BR/>When we put our house in Laytonville up for sale there was only one other recently sold house in the area that was comparable to ours & it showed as being sold for less than the actual price because the sellers took some "under the table/taxfree" money (about $50k, I was told). You're an investor so you understand how that devalued my house. I just wondered if you've run into anything like that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-89947621873116357592008-01-03T20:36:00.000-08:002008-01-03T20:36:00.000-08:00That's cool, Tom. Don't worry, the housing market ...That's cool, Tom. Don't worry, the housing market will go back up. Supply and demand and the sheer cost of materials and land will be the driving force.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-34620141051270797872008-01-03T20:08:00.000-08:002008-01-03T20:08:00.000-08:00robin, to set things straight here, my bank accoun...robin,<BR/> to set things straight here, my bank account includes very few 0's. im not sitting on a mountain of savings.........i have taken every cent that i have ever made from real estate and put it right back into bigger and better real estate....i currently own a few properties that are almost ready to be flipped, but im worried that they will sit on the market all year if i put them on the market soon. plus, my family really likes our house. they arent thrilled at the thought of another project house...they'll come around;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-43969050484289398252008-01-03T19:59:00.000-08:002008-01-03T19:59:00.000-08:00robin, how do you mean "effected by the undergrou...robin,<BR/> how do you mean "effected by the underground marijuana industry"?..... throughout the years ive gotten run-down/trashed properties at low prices, remodeled/improved them and sold them for higher prices...im afraid there isnt anything too dramatic about it.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-52428544474541959122008-01-03T19:52:00.000-08:002008-01-03T19:52:00.000-08:00Glad you did well in the real estate boom, Tom. W...Glad you did well in the real estate boom, Tom. Were any of your sales effected by the underground marijuana economy? I've already told my real estate stories here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-87436417061336153052008-01-02T16:23:00.000-08:002008-01-02T16:23:00.000-08:00Then maybe you'll also find it ironic that I've wo...Then maybe you'll also find it ironic that I've worked in pharmacy for the last 15 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-13515671666171082472008-01-02T12:44:00.000-08:002008-01-02T12:44:00.000-08:00huh? palco haters? that makes no sense...lol lol...huh? palco haters? that makes no sense...lol lol lol........im calling for palco employees to keep their jobs, you are calling for corporate raiders to screw the workers!!!!!! <BR/><BR/><BR/>im willing to break the law? if so, i would have been growing pot when it was over $5000 a pound and i owned land. sorry, i work a 40 hour a week job(im here right now!!) and have made enough money off of the real estate boom that i dont need to grow pot.......nice try thoughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-60273584984409214402008-01-02T11:30:00.000-08:002008-01-02T11:30:00.000-08:00Theo turns jumping to conclusions into an Olympic ...Theo turns jumping to conclusions into an Olympic event.<BR/><BR/>So much to respond to - we'll just leave it at one - I don't advocate for Palco workers losing their jobs. I advocate for people who want to 'save the trees' to buy the land and thus control their fate. I do not support paid operatives like Mark Lovelace trying to run a company he does not own. It's very simple really.<BR/><BR/>As for Palco selling portions of their holdings to stabilize the company - that is no different than any of the other TPZ landholders who testified that in lean times they do exactly that, in order to continue to preserve their lands and grow the trees.<BR/><BR/>Theotherme seems perfectly willing to break the law at every turn when it comes to pot (doesn't even have any sympathy for Chris) - a common hypocritical stance held by most of the Palco haters, who have come to use nuances of 'the law' and even unique interpretations of "the law" to force their vision on others, and to acquire power.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-89505878340030791472008-01-02T11:06:00.000-08:002008-01-02T11:06:00.000-08:00robin, thanks for the thoughts. just a few short...robin, <BR/> thanks for the thoughts. just a few short responses.<BR/><BR/>"Or maybe you're just worried about changes in the economy."<BR/>very true. i am worried that the economy is going downhill in the area. thats why i as a proponent of capitalism, i want to find ways to INCREASE the economic activity in the area, which brings me to my next point.<BR/><BR/>"you have accused Rose of "cheerleading for PalCo workers to lose their jobs" & of "trying to dehumanize" someone."<BR/><BR/>true on both accounts. rose is a cheering for maxxam to reduce the amount of timberlands being harvested so that maxxam can sell 160 parcels of unharvestable land. EVERY time that the issue comes up, rose says "palco is a private company and can do whatever they want". im sorry, but humboldt county has always been pro labor. when i hear a local cheering for a company from out of the area to screw the workers in Humboldt County i get offended. sorry, thats just who i am, i value workers and families being able to have jobs. jobs that pay a living wage.<BR/>as for rose dehumanizing people, she responded to a poster by accussing them of being me. she didnt even try to respond to the actual point made, therefore that person who made that post was dehumanized. rudeness is maybe a better term.<BR/><BR/>"You've even professed to know what Jesus would think or do about current events & claimed to know what he looked like!"<BR/>yep. there is this book, its called the bible. even though it was written generations after jesus supposedly lived, and even though there is no evidence such a figure ever existed, the bible is supposed to tell us what jesus would think and do......as for what he looked like, i dont even believed he existed, so i dont think that he looked like anything...<BR/><BR/>"I've suspected a time or two that you've even responded to yourself under yet another "anonymous" moniker. Have you?"<BR/><BR/>nope. the early on, when i first started reading these blogs,i made a response to a poster named "me". ive been "theotherme" ever since.<BR/><BR/><BR/>and yeah, calling people fascists always turns people off, i gotta remeber that one...<BR/><BR/>i stand by the reigious freak comment as well as the one about so many people being whacked out on prescription drugs. i thought the drug comment was ironic since we are discussing pot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-69545574032252652352008-01-02T09:10:00.000-08:002008-01-02T09:10:00.000-08:00Tom, You value my thoughts because I know people i...Tom, <BR/>You value my thoughts because I know people in the pot business?!! Are you sure it's not because of my looks? LOL! I may have to print out your comment & frame it because the people I know in the pot business sure as hell don't value my "thoughts" on the subject!<BR/><BR/>Let's see... most recently, you have accused Rose of "cheerleading for PalCo workers to lose their jobs" & of "trying to dehumanize" someone. You've called posters here "fascists" & "religious freaks" & accused them of having "hatred toward their fellow man", of trying to "hurt the economy, incarcerate all non-violent offenders & increase the price of pot" & of being "jealous" of pot dealer's incomes. I've seen no evidence of such things here. You've even professed to know what Jesus would think or do about current events & claimed to know what he looked like! My personal favorite, though, is when you said, "Most people posting here are so whacked out on prescription drugs or have their noses so deep in the Bible..." I've suspected a time or two that you've even responded to yourself under yet another "anonymous" moniker. Have you? <BR/><BR/>It amuses me that a strong proponent of the First Amendment such as yourself would use such provocative language while professing to wanting to open the lines of communication when, in fact, you know full well it has the opposite effect. You said you work for a corporation in the timber industry yet you use rudimentary radical activist tactics here in trying to deliberately confuse the subject & redirect the conversation. I would expect a softer approach from someone who depends on yet another controversial crop (timber) for his livlihood. It seems to me that you are more interested in a shouting match than any real communication or finding solutions, Tom. Or maybe you're just worried about changes in the economy. I know people often misplace blame & can do & say uncharacteristic things when their livlihoods & way of life are threatened.<BR/><BR/>Not that it matters, but I am for legalization, regulation & taxation of marijuana & I am interested in knowing why two of the most vocal & visible medical marijuana advocates (in your area) have been, shall we say, eliminated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-73016300300290772142008-01-01T23:59:00.000-08:002008-01-01T23:59:00.000-08:00Robin - I just put your question up as a post. It ...Robin - I just put your question up as a post. It seems Chris' brother has a website. Like Lisa's search for her sister Andrea LadeRoute, it is heartwrenching to realize the effects of these things on the family memebrs.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-89755072627637743902008-01-01T23:01:00.000-08:002008-01-01T23:01:00.000-08:00I agree with Robin - let's hear who killed Les Cra...I agree with Robin - let's hear who killed Les Crane.<BR/><BR/>But in the meantime otherme - let's just say we legalized pot.... and growers and dealers had to declare their income and pay their taxes, just like their hard working neighbors do.<BR/><BR/>What would happen? Would they do so happily? Or would it take black helicopters to force the criminals who've been getting away with m___, well, getting away with making all this money tax-free to pay 50% of their income in taxes?<BR/><BR/>That's one question. There are others.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-46968079223425392022008-01-01T22:49:00.000-08:002008-01-01T22:49:00.000-08:00robin,what unfounded conclusions have i come to? ...robin,<BR/><BR/>what unfounded conclusions have i come to? what labels have i slapped on anyone?<BR/><BR/><BR/>i was not referring to you when talking about people who believe in ghosts..you know people in the pot business, i value your thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-52401394474575643692008-01-01T22:25:00.000-08:002008-01-01T22:25:00.000-08:00Tom, a.) Unwanted competition is competition that ...Tom, <BR/><BR/>a.) Unwanted competition is competition that is not wanted. I said what I meant. Not all competition is unwanted or healthy - otherwise we wouldn't have so-called professional sports - LOL. Competing in the business world is consciously learned behavior. Competing for food & reproduction opportunities in the wild is innate survival instinct.<BR/><BR/>b.) Business is business but there are more inherent physical dangers in dealing with valuable black market products than there is in most legitimate business. There is a good ol' boy network within the marijuana industry, too.<BR/><BR/>c.) If, by "outsiders" you mean Mexican & Asian drug cartels, then you may be at least partially right but I doubt anybody posting here is jealous of them. Jealousy has been the motive for a lot of things but I don't think it's what keeps people from wanting organized marijuana crime mobs to set up shop in their forests & neighborhoods. <BR/><BR/>I am not a religious extremist. In fact, I am not religious at all. I don't believe in ghosts, I won't fight against the second amendment & I've never said a word about firewood to you or anyone else on this blog. You're the one who seems fanatical about this subject, Tom. <BR/><BR/>Why is it that you "need" me to give you some suggestions about what I think should be done in regard to the marijuana problem? Are you in a position of public responsibility with the possible power or influence to actually make some substantial changes? Will my giving you suggestions make a difference &, if so, how? Open communication (& education) is important to resolving any issue, especially one as controversial as marijuana, & because it seems to have caused a deep rift in your community. Judging by your comments here & your quickness in jumping to unfounded conclusions as well as your penchant for slapping labels on people you apparently don't know, you seem close-minded to anyone's opinion but your own so I have to question your sincerity when I hear you advocating for "open communication".<BR/><BR/>Here's what I want to know: who killed Les Crane & where is Chris Giauque?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-18052060536863410542007-12-31T17:42:00.000-08:002007-12-31T17:42:00.000-08:00decent people who want to live in a crime free dec...decent people who want to live in a crime free decent community?<BR/><BR/>what crime have been committed against any citizen???sorry to break it to ya folks, if i smoke or grow weed, ITS A VICTIMLESS CRIME!!!<BR/><BR/>why do i have a feeling that reigious nuts are behind this?? maybe ghosts told them to rid the evil weed from this planet....isnt that what you mean by "decent people"? you mean decent WHITE, GHOST LOVING folks dont you???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-58423567192528499282007-12-31T16:07:00.000-08:002007-12-31T16:07:00.000-08:00No theotherme...all I hear on this thread is decen...No theotherme...all I hear on this thread is decent people who want to live in a crime free decent community.<BR/><BR/>All you do is drone on about how much it costs you to buy weed and how we the middle class must be jealous of you.<BR/><BR/>Bizarre...your the commercial.."this is your brain and this is your brain on drugs."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-45412954911423407252007-12-31T15:07:00.000-08:002007-12-31T15:07:00.000-08:00first of all,i know more women who grow weed than ...first of all,i know more women who grow weed than men. women just tend to be nurturers like that. <BR/><BR/>so, theres "something" about men who choose to conduct this illegal lifestyle?........ what is your point there?..........the ONLY thing that any pot dealers have in common is the desire for money....there is no certain "something" that unites all pot dealers other than the lack of jobs in the area that pay a living wage.<BR/><BR/>im so confused as to what this is about!!! is it about people "taking advantage of others"?.....selling people pot that they WANT to buy is not taking advantage of people...<BR/><BR/>or is it about avoiding taxes? the only possible solution to that arguement is legalization...<BR/><BR/>or is it about the attracting of "criminal element" to the area? making pot legal would reduce that problem...people coming here to buy pot with their hard earned money wouldnt be considered criminals then, they would be called "tourists" or "consumers"....imagine how many people would visit here if we had open pot cafes like amsterdamn or vancuver bc...<BR/><BR/>and you wonder why i see the issue distorted???? you cant even articulate what the problem IS, or even HINT at a solution.........<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>i hate to beat a dead horse, but all i really hear on this thread is jealousy of one's nieghbor making lots of money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-60085286592410222782007-12-31T13:59:00.000-08:002007-12-31T13:59:00.000-08:00No, Tom, Theo, otherme - It's not about outsiders ...No, Tom, Theo, otherme - It's not about outsiders - it is about PEOPLE operating outside the law with impunity, cheating hte system, taking advantage of the good will and good intentions of others, about disrespecting other's property, disrespecting the law, avoiding taxes and all the other fees and assessments that others pay, and yes, it is also about the criminal element that they attract. That doesn't equate to taking guns away from law abiding citizens.<BR/><BR/>Somehow you see this issue through distorted - sometimes I think deliberately distorted - lenses.<BR/><BR/>There's something about men who choose to conduct this illegal lifestyle, risking their families lives in more ways than one... do you get that?Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.com