tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post2531888954730802645..comments2023-12-23T03:49:20.907-08:00Comments on watchpaul: CensorshipRosehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-58916604598108468662008-11-02T11:00:00.000-08:002008-11-02T11:00:00.000-08:00The Journal openly pimps for Obama and they're sup...The Journal openly pimps for Obama and they're supposed to be the alternative press? Not likely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-3445255383749257272008-10-31T20:52:00.000-07:002008-10-31T20:52:00.000-07:00Yeah, Sims and the 'alternative press' of Humboldt...Yeah, Sims and the 'alternative press' of Humboldt, brought to you by those 'outsiders' from the Democratic Party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-32621256437939116232008-10-31T19:19:00.000-07:002008-10-31T19:19:00.000-07:00Hasn't the Journal attacked other local media when...<I>Hasn't the Journal attacked other local media when they became connected with one candidate or another?</I><BR/><BR/>You're gonna have to give me a cite, there, Bucky.Hank Simshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13940718176576134295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-12253116875997382222008-10-31T17:00:00.000-07:002008-10-31T17:00:00.000-07:00Bob Doran is a journalist?But what about his naked...Bob Doran is a journalist?<BR/><BR/>But what about his naked advocacy of Obama all over Rose's blog?<BR/><BR/>Hasn't the Journal attacked other local media when they became connected with one candidate or another?<BR/><BR/>There's the rules from Sims land: We do whatever the hell we want, and everyone else can shut the hell up if they back McCain or Nader or whoever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-17180325518417741592008-10-31T13:48:00.000-07:002008-10-31T13:48:00.000-07:00Hey! And along comes the governor of Alaska to rev...Hey! And along comes the governor of Alaska to <A HREF="http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=45&aid=153296" REL="nofollow">reverse-illustrate my point</A> for me.Hank Simshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13940718176576134295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-78879945268930366992008-10-31T13:43:00.000-07:002008-10-31T13:43:00.000-07:00Well Bob, sometimes it's in the hole of the behind...Well Bob, sometimes it's in the hole of the behinder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-76720071473647852762008-10-31T13:23:00.000-07:002008-10-31T13:23:00.000-07:00Could this have been a promotional ploy for KHUM? ...Could this have been a promotional ploy for KHUM? I believe it has woked well. <BR/><BR/>Who "tipped off" the Times-Standard for a front page story? Couldn't the refusal of advertising dollars, regardless of the content, have been done in silence? <BR/><BR/>I know a local broadcast company who refuses to run commercials based upon content, (i.e., no strip clubs, no psychic readings ads...) but doesn't use it as a means to promote themselves. <BR/><BR/>I call it grandstanding on the part of KHUM. <BR/><BR/>By the way, Vote No on Prop. 8!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-76224672439749530432008-10-31T09:42:00.000-07:002008-10-31T09:42:00.000-07:00"delusional" is in the eye of the beholder..."delusional" is in the eye of the beholder..."Bob"https://www.blogger.com/profile/03665191979200618536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-88384221296194177502008-10-31T09:41:00.000-07:002008-10-31T09:41:00.000-07:00This issue in particular warrants discussion - bot...This issue in particular warrants discussion - both sides have valid points.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-39778557391078047622008-10-31T09:36:00.000-07:002008-10-31T09:36:00.000-07:00Well, I certainly appreciate this blog because it ...Well, I certainly appreciate this blog because it inspires discussion. Although sometimes threads are a bit hijacked by the delusional extreme leftists (as opposed to the reasoned and enlightened moderates) it is a definite must read. I dislike prop 8, won't vote for it and think the censorship of KHUM is just plain wrong.<BR/><BR/>Again, thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-16728976978116396512008-10-30T21:52:00.000-07:002008-10-30T21:52:00.000-07:00I think 9:34 needs alittle help in the editing dep...I think 9:34 needs alittle help in the editing departmentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-76836455788758182872008-10-30T21:34:00.000-07:002008-10-30T21:34:00.000-07:00Rose,I agree that you are a must read. Please keep...Rose,I agree that you are a must read. Please keep it up. You do have a bit of bullshit but hey,we know you believe in freedom of speach to much to edit even the dunb ass (not a native.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-88488369712576165552008-10-30T20:03:00.000-07:002008-10-30T20:03:00.000-07:00Rose, please keep blogging on a daily basis. The ...Rose, please keep blogging on a daily basis. The local media outlets don't offer the consistant bullshit that is available here daily. (The E-R opinion page coming in a close second)<BR/><BR/>Reading your bullshit is much more enjoyable than anything else available locally. Please keep up the good work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-72653678882394773322008-10-30T19:39:00.000-07:002008-10-30T19:39:00.000-07:00Actually, Not, I am an advocate of free will and d...Actually, Not, I am an advocate of free will and doing the right thing.<BR/><BR/>It is in not doing the right thing that you bring down the regulators and you wreck it for everyone, because the government rarely gets it right.<BR/><BR/>I'm saying that someone who operates a station, by their very existence, should be the strongest and staunchest advocate for free speech, The guardians of the gates as you will.<BR/><BR/>It is a shame that you can't see that.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-71945060891266472092008-10-30T19:15:00.000-07:002008-10-30T19:15:00.000-07:00Rose, As is your MO, you obscure your hypocricy in...Rose, As is your MO, you obscure your hypocricy in your attempts to accuse others of being hypocritical.<BR/><BR/>These are YOUR statements<BR/><BR/>5:26 "They don't have the right to tell an advertiser what to put in their ads." "Censorship from media, which is supposed to represent FREE SPEECH. Bob, is wrong."<BR/><BR/>5:52 "death of freedom in advertising."<BR/><BR/>You're advocating that the owner of the "broadcast property" should be compeled to air material even though they do not want to. The only entity that can compel the owner is the Government. So you're advocating that the Government restrict the owner's choice and confiscate the property(air time) of the owner and give it to an advertiser that was not the choice of the owner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-31809524620178948992008-10-30T18:35:00.000-07:002008-10-30T18:35:00.000-07:00Fair enought, Tom.Most people don't understand tha...Fair enought, Tom.<BR/><BR/>Most people don't understand that there are different rules governing broadcast media - I forget the details, but the period of time known as 'politicals' is one of the more expensive periods for local advertisers because stations have to give whatever the lowest rate they have is to the political ad buyers - so no special deals get cut during that time.<BR/><BR/>I don't know all the ins and outs like you do. I'd hate to see 'em get in trouble, they're good people, but they ought to let the people make their own decisions, based on free information provided by free stations committed to freedom of speech - that which THEY are lucky enough to exist under.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-47782647815002245352008-10-30T17:58:00.000-07:002008-10-30T17:58:00.000-07:00As I understand it, we at kgoe have to run all pol...As I understand it, we at kgoe have to run all political ads if we run any. So If we ran one time a no on 8 ad, we would have to allow the yes on 8 crowd to purchase as many ads as they want. <BR/>I'm not sure of the legality of running ads with lies in them. I know that fox news won a lawsuit in Florida that said they could force their reporters to lie to the public. (see Outfoxed the movie). <BR/>On kgoe I follow the yes on 8 ad with a station ID that includes "BEWARE OF BALLOT PROPOSITIONS THAT TAKE AWAY RIGHTS, RATHER THAN GRANT THEM" followed by the legal id. This is legal and it lets our listeners know that as a programmer, I don't agree with the message. I do hope KHUM is not in violation on this.Tom Sebournhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10181314524021111122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-23412408955723374692008-10-30T17:36:00.000-07:002008-10-30T17:36:00.000-07:00...calling for Government mandated restrictions an...<I>...calling for Government mandated restrictions and confiscation....</I><BR/><BR/>What? Where? As usual. Not, you are completely mistaken.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-17988639185024732112008-10-30T17:08:00.000-07:002008-10-30T17:08:00.000-07:00Rose, you're always championing the absolute right...Rose, you're always championing the absolute rights of propety owners justified by their being the best possible "wise use" stewards.<BR/><BR/>But here a broadcast property owner has decided to exercise that right and you're calling for Government mandated restrictions and confiscation.<BR/><BR/>Bald-faced denial of your blatant hypocricy and bias is your only consistent quality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-65411534975501570302008-10-30T15:48:00.000-07:002008-10-30T15:48:00.000-07:00This is political speech and not a tobacco ad.But ...<I>This is political speech and not a tobacco ad.</I><BR/><BR/>But it's not an issue of "freedom of speech," strictly defined. <BR/><BR/>"Freedom of speech," to me, comes from the Bill of Rights: Congress shall make no law, etc. Freedom of speech is a restriction on government. The government can't tell me what to say or not to say.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you that media outlets should champion the <I>principle</I> of free speech. And I think that accepting advertising from whoever wants to buy it from you is an important way of doing that. <BR/><BR/>But in the real world there can be other, competing considerations. To take the extreme cases: A NAMBLA ad or a Nazi ad would be a political ad too. KHUM has the right to reject them, and it might be reasonable to do so, right?<BR/><BR/>I don't know what this pro-Prop 8 ad was. Like I said, it'd have to be pretty damn tasteless and offensive for me to argue against accepting it. But I'd definitely reserve that right.Hank Simshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13940718176576134295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-21323308338099051222008-10-30T14:22:00.000-07:002008-10-30T14:22:00.000-07:00Hold it there, Bob. I'm not the one saying you're ...Hold it there, Bob. I'm not the one saying you're not a journalist.<BR/><BR/>I'd agree with your definitions there that a journalist is someone who writes for a news organization. A news anchor may not be a journalist - a journalist has to investigate and report... how's that? I don't know how 1:25 defines it.<BR/><BR/>My argument is a journalist - such as yourself - should be standing against censorship.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-86406342255152547422008-10-30T13:57:00.000-07:002008-10-30T13:57:00.000-07:00So, Rose, what exactly is your criteria for a jour...So, Rose, what exactly is your criteria for a journalist?<BR/><BR/>journalist<BR/>noun<BR/>a person who writes for newspapers or magazines or prepares news to be broadcast on radio or television.<BR/><BR/>journalism <BR/>noun<BR/>the activity or profession of writing for newspapers or magazines or of broadcasting news on radio or television.<BR/>• the product of such activity : an art critic whose essays and journalism are never dull."Bob"https://www.blogger.com/profile/03665191979200618536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-63205034620196845302008-10-30T13:25:00.000-07:002008-10-30T13:25:00.000-07:00Hank I am well aware that "The First Amendment doe...Hank I am well aware that "The First Amendment doesn't mandate KHUM to run ads." You dodged the point completely. This is political speech and not a tobacco ad. There is a huge difference. HUGE. <BR/><BR/>And Bob is so NOT a journalist. I am sorry Hank, but writing the art and music stuff ain't journalism to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-76903181141345384132008-10-30T12:50:00.000-07:002008-10-30T12:50:00.000-07:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2cf0KXLl-E&eur...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2cf0KXLl-E&eurl=http://redwoodreality.blogspot.com/2008/10/joe-puddles-where-are-you.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-17507167934073004282008-10-30T12:42:00.000-07:002008-10-30T12:42:00.000-07:00Well, it's their station so they are precisely the...<I> Well, it's their station so they are precisely the arbiter of what can and can't go over their signal</I><BR/><BR/>Yep. So, in theory KINS could deny your candidate, Clif Clendenen the right to run ads on their stations. And you'd be cool with them denying people the right to hear the ads.<BR/><BR/>Gotcha.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.com