tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post1327729073606703736..comments2023-12-23T03:49:20.907-08:00Comments on watchpaul: "The Book"Rosehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-34929318402938252582007-08-15T17:08:00.000-07:002007-08-15T17:08:00.000-07:0010:pm - I understand that you are wedded to your p...10:pm - I understand that you are wedded to your point of view and while I disagree with it because of what I have reviewed from the court records, I do respect that it is your point of view.<BR/><BR/>However, for the record...the judge dismissed all but one of the counts in the accusation as being completely and utterly baseless. The Judge threw out the last weak one because of the DA's incompetence in presenting it to the GJ and because the DA violated Ms. Augusts constitutional rights to due process. So, I guess that we are both correct.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-35909770781023619782007-08-15T00:39:00.000-07:002007-08-15T00:39:00.000-07:00Not trying to turn anyone into a martyr.If that's ...Not trying to turn anyone into a martyr.<BR/><BR/>If that's what you get when I say Debi August standing firm and refusing to do what Stoen wanted exposed him, I don't know what to tell ya...<BR/><BR/>His pattern is and has been to try his prey in the press. By doing so he destroys reputations, and the very threat of that is enough to make his prey settle, or plead guilty. Thus he claims to have won cases. He's all threat, pomp and circumstance. <BR/><BR/>He tried it with the Palco case, he took his little dog'n Pony show out to all the Chambers, to the various little "political groups" like the 8:05 Club. He had Salzman go, he had others go - on occasion they would send reluctant Paul.<BR/><BR/>She stood firm. He was exposed.<BR/><BR/>Palco also refused to cave. He was exposed again. His case was baseless.<BR/><BR/>It's a lesson for all future targets of this sociopathic monster - don't plead. He's like the little man behind the curtain - a much overused metaphor, vut very accurate in this case.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-84725851303105352332007-08-14T22:00:00.000-07:002007-08-14T22:00:00.000-07:00The judge threw dismissed the last accusation beca...The judge threw dismissed the last accusation because of our incompetent district<BR/>attorney, "not because the judge agreed (debi august) hadn’t committed any civil wrong at all."<BR/><BR/>Rose, to answer your question, which for some reason, you keep bringing up, which has absolutely nothing to do with either the DA or Debi August, <BR/><BR/>"What should happen to Vellutini and Goldan? If anything",<BR/><BR/>I had to go back and read the archives in the local press to see what was going on there, as I dont really follow Eureka to closely.<BR/><BR/>However, that being said, it is readily appararent in your quest to make Debi August a martyr, you choose to overlook that if she had done as they had done, that is RECUSE themselves, when their projects came before the RAB rather than try and PUSH a project through the planning commission, as both a COUNCILPERSON, AND THE REAL ESTATE AGENT OF RECORD, she would have been fine.<BR/><BR/>However, she did NOT recuse herself, hence the conflict of interest. My understanding is that the two Eureka RAB members DID, when their projects came before the RAB. I hope that the City of Eureka sues the bejeepers out of Sue Brandenburg and the Humboldt Taxpayers league.<BR/><BR/>Double D's = debi defenders/Dealin Deb, and I must apologize for my husband;s foul mouth.(He got the cold side of the pillow for that vulgarity) He is sick of some of the dearies who have been here attacking me for having the audacity to correct those who would turn Debi August and her conflict of interest into a martyr.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-57572390791166943052007-08-14T09:32:00.000-07:002007-08-14T09:32:00.000-07:00Evidently the judge disagreed with 9:54 as he THRE...Evidently the judge disagreed with 9:54 as he THREW THE ACCUSATION OUT IN ITS ENTIRETY. <BR/><BR/>9:54 - this is precisely why we havesystem of government and that both sides present evidence to a neutral fact finder.<BR/><BR/>I applaud the GJ in trying to clean up government, but you guys were way off base here. You are not selected like other juries are. You can get some pretty wild and biased persons working on your panel. You can also be misled by the likes of Tim Stoen and Gallegos. <BR/>Please consider this just for a moment. You could be very wrong in your assessment here and you could have really hurt someone who even the judge agreed hadn’t committed any civil wrong at all.<BR/><BR/>Just consider it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-1195866224612456572007-08-13T22:45:00.000-07:002007-08-13T22:45:00.000-07:00Talking Double D's? Ain't Suzi. Must be a guy.Jim ...Talking Double D's? Ain't Suzi. Must be a guy.<BR/>Jim Wingo?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-12780610350223740792007-08-13T22:20:00.000-07:002007-08-13T22:20:00.000-07:00I'd say you're way more successful than me - so fa...I'd say you're way more successful than me - so far you have an apology, over $100,000 in legal fees, public humiliation, and not running again... <BR/><BR/>I'd settle for Paul resigning. He could return to his private practice without any hassle from me, as long as he didn't run for elected office again, this blog would cease and desist. <BR/><BR/>What should happen to Vellutini and Goldan? If anything.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-18964977897536244712007-08-13T21:54:00.000-07:002007-08-13T21:54:00.000-07:00JUST FOR FUN, Rose, You need to understand that th...JUST FOR FUN, Rose, <BR/><BR/>You need to understand that there are a dedicated group of us who are just as dedicated as YOU (well, mabye not quite, LOL) who will not stand to see the Debi August Case slide into the Paul Gallegos incompetence file...that She was so fucking guilty that she admited it. <BR/><BR/>It doesnt matter WHO you compare it to. It is as if you want to compare the actions of actionJOE stalin to Angry Adolf to excuse what dealin Deb did....<BR/><BR/>Like I said, the double D's were and are GUILTY. End of story.<BR/><BR/>And Debi/MOM/SIS/friend...WE will always be out there to remind you...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-6526025163517250732007-08-10T16:07:00.000-07:002007-08-10T16:07:00.000-07:00So, is an apology, over $100,000 in legal fees, pu...So, is an apology, over $100,000 in legal fees, public humiliation, and not running again enough for you?<BR/><BR/>What should happen to Vellutini and Goldan?Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-18676836795599274882007-08-10T15:34:00.000-07:002007-08-10T15:34:00.000-07:00Here is what happened...in Debi August's own words...Here is what happened...in Debi August's own words.....<BR/><BR/>September 23,2003<BR/><BR/>Commissioner's,<BR/>I would like to formally apologize to each Commissioner and each member of the public who were present at tonight's planning commission meeting. I now know that I should not have presented the Smith/West project at the podium. The reasons for doing so was that I felt that after I had eliminated the possibility of any future financial gain and had removed the possibility of any conflict of interest I could basically do anything I wanted. I was wrong. While standing in front of you tonight the realizations of what this must have appeared like was so overwhelming that I thought I would be physically ill. Please believe me when I tell you that it was not, and has never been my intention to influence or sway the commission one way or the other. Yet that is exactly what I was doing. I am sorry, truly sorry.<BR/>***********<BR/><BR/>Enough said. She did it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-55244342943699125932007-08-10T08:15:00.000-07:002007-08-10T08:15:00.000-07:008:42 - Why do you assume that you were the only on...8:42 - Why do you assume that you were the only one living on loop road? I drive it every day and every night. <BR/><BR/>And I disagree with you.<BR/><BR/>And I have read the Grand Jury Transcripts...SO DID THE JUDGE THAT THREW THE CASE OUT AS BEING BASELESS. <BR/><BR/>AGAIN GET OVER THAT HURDLE!<BR/><BR/>Now - again - quit the revisionist history. All the crap that you posted is just small pieces of what was before the GJ and EVIDENTLY as I pointed out before, the good judge WHO READ IT ALL THREW IT OUT!<BR/><BR/>Now please, quit whining and get back to the substance of this blog. I am sorry that you feel the way you do, but the facts simply are not there to support you Suzy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-6674525406783305482007-08-09T21:52:00.000-07:002007-08-09T21:52:00.000-07:00You keep saying that. I have read quite a bit of w...You keep saying that. <BR/><BR/>I have read quite a bit of what I could get my hands on. I have a pretty good handle on what the complaints were. And it doesn't strike me as unusual for neighbors to be upset about a subdivision proposal, and details like whether or not a road gets widened usually get negotiated.<BR/><BR/>It is also increasingly common for baby-boomers to inherit a piece of land - or buy a piece of land with the intent of splitting it.<BR/><BR/>Rules and restrictions being what they are, they usually find the project they envisioned morphs beyond thier control or imagination. Up to four lots is not a major subdivision, but anything over four triggers all the requirements for a major subdivision, roads, and the full catastrophe. It gets more expensive and the lot sizes get smaller to try to cover the costs and allow for a profit.<BR/><BR/>I don't see a "developer" when i look at Carmen Smith. I see a person who was going to do something with a piece of property, yes, develop it, as many others have done, but not a professional developer by any stretch of hte imagination. But once words are bandied about, words like "developer" create villains.<BR/><BR/>What I read was that Carmen Smith put Debi August's name on the form as the "agent" unaware of the repercussions of that term. I could be wrong.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-50117865629771658842007-08-09T21:27:00.000-07:002007-08-09T21:27:00.000-07:00Rose, By your own admission you have not read the ...Rose, <BR/>By your own admission you have not read the grand jury transcripts. I respectfully suggest you read them and see what she did before you absolve debi and nominate her for sainthood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-73787240499658275702007-08-09T21:19:00.000-07:002007-08-09T21:19:00.000-07:00Oh, she was a victim, alright. You can disagree ov...Oh, she was a victim, alright. You can disagree over whether or not she deserved it, but she was a victim of a vindictive rogue Assistant District Attorney (and District Attorney, if only by default.)<BR/><BR/>What penalty were you hoping for? The electric chair? Losing her seat? Being drug through the mud? Having her name forever smeared? Not to run again? Paying out a small fortune?<BR/><BR/>I'd say you got more than you wished for.<BR/><BR/>Unless, like Stoen, you just wanted her to be a good little girl and plead guilty. The Great and Powerful OZ HAD spoken after all.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-11107333509004574652007-08-09T20:42:00.000-07:002007-08-09T20:42:00.000-07:00"7:06 - I am glad that you are finally seeing Gall..."7:06 - I am glad that you are finally seeing Gallegos for what he truly is. Now it is time to let go of your hatred of DA especially in light of the facts that came out after your GJ was hijacked by Stoen and Gallegos"<BR/><BR/>I have ALWAYS thought they were quacks. However, it does not excuse what Debi August did, her defenders (all one or two of them, notwithstanding).<BR/><BR/>"7:06 pm - you obviously were on the grand jury and you OBVIOUSLY ARE VIOLATING YOUR PROMISE TO JUDGE MILES MADE WHEN YOU WERE DEPANELED AT THE END OF THE YEAR. Fortunately, you can not achieve revisionist history here with other that have read the transcripts and who went to court.<BR/><BR/>First - is your memory "fuzzy" or is is "Fregeau"?"<BR/><BR/>Ahh, there you go again, reading minds and making completely incorrect assumptions. I was not nor have I ever been a member of any grand jury. I have, however, read the grand jury transcripts, when they were made available to the public, as I, at the time being a south loop road resident, was a very interested spectator.<BR/><BR/>"It is obvious that you were deeply imbedded with this so called investigation and that you should never have been part of it as you had a conflict of interest by living on that road. It is a shame that you didn't remove yourself from that process as you tainted that process by staying irrespective of your conflict.<BR/><BR/>Get over it Suzie"<BR/><BR/>Incorrect. Wrong. Not Suzie Fuzzy Fregeau. <BR/><BR/>I really MUST repaste this one, as we agree,(somewhat):<BR/><BR/>"Fortunately, you can not achieve revisionist history here with other that have read the transcripts and who went to court."<BR/><BR/>And lets review what I have said<BR/>1)Debi August was the listing agent of record for the Carmen Smith subdivision. <BR/>right or wrong? Ohhh, Right.Correct.<BR/><BR/>2)Debi August, while the listing agent of record represented Carmen Smith before the planning commission, first as a city councilperson, then as a private citizen. <BR/><BR/>3)Dennis Wendt and his crew started illegally grading the side of loop road before getting the necessary permits, which led to a his work being halted due us (the neighbors) calling our councilpeople and city hall. <BR/><BR/>4)A combination of Debi/Dennis Wendt and Carmen Smith tried to bully us into signing a letter saying that the substandard road was OK with us(which some felt pressured to sign due to the bullying of some named above, and the misrepresentation of the project by others).<BR/><BR/>5)Debi August admitted that what she did was wrong, apologized for it, and about a week later was right back at it.<BR/><BR/>6) Debi August complained in one of the last articles regarding her case that she was upset that her story would never be told, when all along it was her lawyers that delayed the case, time and time again.<BR/><BR/>Items 1-6 are not opinions. They are not educated guesses. They happened, and I lived through them.<BR/>If you have any doubts, go back and ask the residents of south loop road.<BR/><BR/>In response I have been responded to by priceless gems like this:<BR/><BR/>"Hey 7:06pm Hope your not as ugly on the outside as you are on the inside!"<BR/><BR/>Well, first, my husband still thinks I am beautiful on both the outside and the inside even after over 25 years of marriage.<BR/><BR/>But dearie, you really cant handle someone standing up and refusing this to be glossed over with the Paul Gallegos handled it brush. What she did was wrong. Period. And all you are reduced to doing is name calling.<BR/><BR/> I can see that more than likely you are the same person who raged 8/6 9:53. It really is ironic that someone so filled with anger and venom out there accusing others of the feelings and dare I say ugliness that fills your posts.<BR/><BR/>Once again with regards to criminal charges being instead of an accusation,<BR/><BR/>" So pray tell, what county and what did Gallegos or stoen tell you about this? As a grand jury member? "<BR/><BR/>Ummmm, I believe I said I read it in the one of the newspapers, but that I could be incorrect on that. So, no, it wasnt as a grand jury member. I really dont want to pay the times-standard to search their archives, and once again, as I didnt try to hide the fact that my memory was fuzzy on it, I didnt hold it out there as an absolute fact.<BR/><BR/>You Debi Defenders (double D's) really need to get over yourselves. What she did was wrong.<BR/><BR/>Whatever PG and TS did doesnt excuse what she did. Again, take a stroll up south loop road and talk to the neighbors. But you wont, because all you want to do is cry about what a victime she is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-43429284584481350852007-08-09T16:16:00.000-07:002007-08-09T16:16:00.000-07:00See, that's the weirdest thing - if the only penal...See, that's the weirdest thing - if the only penalty was forced resignation, and 4 of the 5 counts had already been thrown out, and the trial was to be held on the one remaining count, and Stoen was willing to forego the penalty in exchange for letting him win - on paper - after all that expense, and time and angst, and damage, was he insane?<BR/><BR/>I mean, honestly, it defies the imagination.<BR/><BR/>And the Palco case is JUST as weird.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-23446523942172824952007-08-09T14:42:00.000-07:002007-08-09T14:42:00.000-07:00hey 7:06 you said:"Again, I am not a mind reader l...hey 7:06 you said:<BR/><BR/>"Again, I am not a mind reader like you seem to be. I can only go by what actually happened. I believe that one of the counties that gallegos went to for advice actually said that criminal charges would have been the way to go."<BR/><BR/>So pray tell, what county and what did Gallegos or stoen tell you about this? As a grand jury member? <BR/><BR/><BR/>"because HE would have had to come forward not the GJ and he had NOTHING to go on. He wanted her to resign, plain and simple and out of revenge." Your response was " "You really are a mind. reader." <BR/><BR/>First - I was not that poster, but was in court and know that Stoen and Gallegos offered her the following...if she pled to the accusation, they would hold it in abeyance, let her finish her term and then get rid of it and she could run for office again.<BR/><BR/>Not a lot of mind reading involved in that one.<BR/><BR/>7:06 - I am glad that you are finally seeing Gallegos for what he truly is. Now it is time to let go of your hatred of DA especially in light of the facts that came out after your GJ was hijacked by Stoen and Gallegos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-65132574939980610122007-08-09T13:51:00.000-07:002007-08-09T13:51:00.000-07:00Hey 7:06pm Hope your not as ugly on the outside a...Hey 7:06pm Hope your not as ugly on the outside as you are on the inside!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-56525592207072473902007-08-09T09:08:00.000-07:002007-08-09T09:08:00.000-07:007:06 pm - you obviously were on the grand jury and...7:06 pm - you obviously were on the grand jury and you OBVIOUSLY ARE VIOLATING YOUR PROMISE TO JUDGE MILES MADE WHEN YOU WERE DEPANELED AT THE END OF THE YEAR. Fortunately, you can not achieve revisionist history here with other that have read the transcripts and who went to court.<BR/><BR/>First - is your memory "fuzzy" or is is "Fregeau"?<BR/><BR/>The trial was only "delayed" if you can call it that because Stoen and certain members of the GJ did not make sure that Ms August had the discovery that the constitution guarantees to her.<BR/><BR/>Second. All of the charges except one that the GJ based its accusation were thrown out by the judge prior to trial as being baseless....try getting over that hurdle Suzie.<BR/><BR/>Third, the remaining charge was a lame and the judge got rid of it after Stoen got caught with his pants down regarding all the subterfuge of trying to destroy documents to prevent them from getting to Debi's lawyers and from the communications by the GJ members that the DA MANIPULATED AND MISLED THE GRAND JURY. <BR/><BR/>Read the record of those proceedings.<BR/><BR/>It is obvious that you were deeply imbedded with this so called investigation and that you should never have been part of it as you had a conflict of interest by living on that road. It is a shame that you didn't remove yourself from that process as you tainted that process by staying irrespective of your conflict.<BR/><BR/>Get over it Suzie. <BR/><BR/>And what were you and Goldberg and Marlow doing in that trial every day especially after the JUDGE TOLD YOU THAT IT WAS OVER AND TO STAY OUT OF IT COMPLETELY.<BR/><BR/>Answer: you were not impartial and didn't give a shit about what the judge said. <BR/><BR/>Now pipe down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-88316944424253868012007-08-08T21:37:00.000-07:002007-08-08T21:37:00.000-07:00By the way, that Journal article (NCJ - The Debi A...By the way, that Journal article (NCJ - The Debi August Files - The first real investigative report...) is also <A HREF="http://watchpaul-articles.blogspot.com/2006/12/first-real-investigative-report.html" REL="nofollow">posted here</A> in addition to the Journal's website.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-63556379431971718472007-08-08T21:28:00.000-07:002007-08-08T21:28:00.000-07:00I stand corrected - the transcripts are available....I stand corrected - the transcripts are available. It's the testimony that's not.<BR/><BR/>Bear in mind - in a Grand Jury and Accusation process is one sided - there is not defense attorney giving the other side.<BR/><BR/>It is tantamount to an indictment, but it is civil and not criminal (as an indictment is). <BR/><BR/>It is a sequestered and one-sided process which must rely upon the guidance and character of the District Attorney (and Assistant District Attorney) in helping them through the process, helping them decide how to proceed.<BR/><BR/>That is where the system failed here.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-56631154213798174342007-08-08T21:08:00.000-07:002007-08-08T21:08:00.000-07:00And, I will add again, because it bears repeating ...And, I will add again, because it bears repeating - I saw Stoen trying his prey in the press, I saw Salzman maneuvering to influence public opinion, working the media, trying to galvanize his listserve, soliciting letters to the editor praising Paul for his "justice for all" stance in taking on Debi August -(no matter how wealthy or sacrosanct, I think those were Stoen's words, used in Paul's Help Wanted ad, the one they pulled) - Salzman distributing the Talking Points, and ultimately, Salzman resorting to writing the letters himself, using a combination of real, stolen and made up names. He was a master of biting innuendo, making his points and evsicerating his opponent, all while propping up the little Emperor Paul.<BR/><BR/>Dick Wyatt agreed to let Richard Salzman use his name for one of his letters. Salzman wrote two. The other names he used were names of people who were either retired, or in no condition to defend the use of their names.<BR/><BR/>This is all very clearly uncovered and laid out in Hank Sims coverage - The Web Of Lies is only the first one. Additional facts were uncovered by the Times Standard, and the Eureka Reporter.<BR/><BR/>It turned out Salzman had been playing this game all along.<BR/><BR/>I was one of his targets as well.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-23320371094772388752007-08-08T21:02:00.000-07:002007-08-08T21:02:00.000-07:00First Amendment challenge:How the Journal got the ...First Amendment challenge:<BR/>How the Journal got the Grand Jury evidence unsealed<BR/>by EMILY GURNON<BR/><BR/>IT STARTED WITH AN ANONYMOUS PHONE CALL TO THE JOURNAL IN JULY.<BR/><BR/>Check out the law regarding the sealing of Grand Jury transcripts, the caller said.<BR/><BR/>So we started to do a little digging. What we found out was that state law (Penal Code 938.1) was pretty clear on the subject: When a grand jury makes an indictment or accusation against a defendant, a transcript of all testimony is to be given to the court as well as to the defendant and the district attorney. The transcript is to remain sealed for 10 days, after which it "shall be open to the public unless the court orders otherwise on its own motion or on motion of a party "<BR/><BR/>It sounded straightforward to us. But when we showed up at the civil court window at the courthouse to ask for the transcripts, we were turned away. "It's sealed," the clerk said.<BR/><BR/>We went back to the office and called to get an appointment with Deann McCall, manager of court operations. She told us Judge John Feeney had ordered the transcripts sealed "until further notice of the court."<BR/><BR/>On the advice of our lawyer, we asked to see the formal written "order" of the judge. There was none. But this was not unusual, McCall said. Her boss, Court Executive Officer Dwight Clark, concurred. A judge can simply give a verbal order, he said.<BR/><BR/>Not so, said our lawyer.<BR/><BR/>It seemed we were at an impasse.<BR/><BR/>We sent a letter to the judge asking for the file to be made available. Clark called back a week later, saying we were welcome to bring our request before the judge in open court. That meant filing a special notice, waiting at least three weeks and bringing our lawyer all the way here from Sacramento -- a pricey endeavor for a community newspaper like the Journal.<BR/><BR/>So we tried again, with two more letters, on Aug. 10 and Aug. 20, asking the court to consider our request without us having to go to court.<BR/><BR/>Why would we go to all the trouble of fighting to get the file unsealed? First and foremost, the press has a duty to advocate for the right of the public to get information about the workings of its government. The Grand Jury represents the citizens of Humboldt County, after all, and its proceedings -- according to law -- are to be public in cases like these. The exception is when a judge or an attorney in the case argues successfully that the file's disclosure would undermine the defendant's right to a fair trial. That didn't happen in the August case.<BR/><BR/>Last Friday, at the latest hearing in the case, Judge W. Bruce Watson announced he was unsealing the transcripts. "It does not appear the court on its own motion, or on motion of a party, has ordered the transcript remain sealed," he wrote in a minute order filed Aug. 30.<BR/><BR/>The result is the Journal piece you're reading today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-41218791606019604382007-08-08T20:46:00.000-07:002007-08-08T20:46:00.000-07:00You bring me those Grand Jury transcripts and I wi...You bring me those Grand Jury transcripts and I will post them. It is my understanding that we are not allowed to see them under any circumstances.<BR/><BR/>I watched this whole thing pretty closely. My initial reaction when I first heard about it was similar to my reaction to Jeff Dunk's 'troubles' - gee, that's too bad, seems like they shoulda known not to do that, but obviously they didn't think about it. It doesn't mean they were bad people, they just made a mistake.<BR/><BR/>Then I heard people talking about Stoen's intent, and I started paying attention. People were saying Stoen was after Debi August. <BR/><BR/>What I saw was indeed very troubling. Grand Jury members and ex members suddenly going public, writing My Word Op-Eds, details coming out that should only be known to the Grand Jury. Grand Jury members (and a foreperson) huddling with Stoen in the Courthouse hallway.<BR/><BR/>The Grand Jury was to have handed the case off to the DA's Office. Why the huddle? Perhaps, 7:06. you can fill in some of the blanks for me.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-43035524452682119552007-08-08T19:06:00.000-07:002007-08-08T19:06:00.000-07:009:53, you really need to calm down. First you say ...9:53, you really need to calm down. First you say that you are "mad" then you accuse others of being hateful. Let's go through your post, shall we?<BR/><BR/>Perhaps it will provide some anger management therapy for you.<BR/><BR/>"Okay now I am mad 9:02pm! Debi August NEVER delayed the trial. Last I heard she had two attorney's handling this case for her."<BR/><BR/>Debi August's attornies delayed the trial several (read, MORE THAN ONCE)times. To say that "Debi August NEVER delayed the trial" is factually incorrect, as in WRONG.<BR/><BR/>Those attorneys represent the client and worked for her. To say she never delayed the trial is hair splitting of magnificant proportions. <BR/><BR/>My point, which you leave unaddressed is that she simply cant have it both ways, sniveling that she never got her day in court (go back, look it up, she actually said that she was sad that it didnt go to trial so her story could be heard), yet it was HER, and her attorneys delaying it time and time again.<BR/><BR/>"Do you really believe she wanted to stack up charges of more than $2000 a day??"<BR/><BR/>I don't claim to know what exactly she "wanted". I do know what she did. She represented herself as the agent of record on that project. Then she represented herself before the planning commission as a councilmember advocating for the project. Then she said she was acting as a private citizen.<BR/><BR/>See a problem? Do you see, dare I ask, a CONFLICT?<BR/><BR/>Go back and ask my former neighbors on South Loop Road who were being bullied in an attempt to accept a substandard road that would be handling a much greater flow of traffic.<BR/><BR/>" Your an idiot and one who has more anger and hatred then is even conscionable for this case. Just who are you and why are you so angry?"<BR/><BR/>I think this kind of says it all. I am not angry anymore. I got the heck out of Fortuna. I don't hate anyone. I think YOUR hatred is very much on display here. Everything that I have posted here is verifiable in the Grand Jury transcripts. All you have said is something along the lines of <BR/><BR/>"@#$#$#@$ She didnt do it #$$@#$#$, you are angry"<BR/><BR/>See the irony? It's delicious.<BR/><BR/>" Debi never did a damn thing she was accused of"<BR/><BR/>Umm, yes she did, go back and read the grand jury transcripts once again.<BR/><BR/> "and if you want to pay for her to go back to court and prove it then I say go for it! In fact why don't you and your ahte monger friends get a fund going to pay for it. Bet you couldn't raise 2 cents!"<BR/><BR/>Well, here's the thing, my "ahte monger friends" (not I though, as I moved to ) DID PAY FOR A PORTION OF IT!!!!!!!! The citizens of Fortuna for paid for a third of her legal fees. I know my former neighbors are pretty angry about that.<BR/><BR/> "Your a hate filled idiot!"<BR/><BR/>Well, I love my grandkids. I also like cats, love them actually.<BR/><BR/>" What has Debi ever personally done to you?"<BR/><BR/>If you had read the thread clearly you'd see what she did. To me. And my neighbors. <BR/><BR/> "And make no mistake, the GJ was totally manipulated by Stoen."<BR/><BR/>The complaint was brought to Grand Jury by a resident of south loop road period, end of story.<BR/><BR/>Which leads me to my point(s) of agreement, that Gallegos, Stoen & Co are incompetent boobs, ones who are a blemish on our humboldt county community. That, however does not excuse Debi August from what she did. <BR/><BR/> "f PG could have brought criminal charges then why in hell didn't he?"<BR/><BR/>Again, I am not a mind reader like you seem to be. I can only go by what actually happened. I believe that one of the counties that gallegos went to for advice actually said that criminal charges would have been the way to go. <BR/>BUT - my memory is fuzzy on this particular point, and as I don't choose to research it any further to verify it, I could be incorrect. I just dont believe that I am.<BR/><BR/>"because HE would have had to come forward not the GJ and he had NOTHING to go on. He wanted her to resign, plain and simple and out of revenge." <BR/><BR/>You really are a mind reader. <BR/><BR/>" say God Bless Debi August, wish we had a thousand more just like her!" <BR/><BR/>If that were the case Fortuna would really be broke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25625654.post-25165817109261364742007-08-07T13:34:00.000-07:002007-08-07T13:34:00.000-07:00prosecutor - God I hate typos.prosecutor - God I hate typos.Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14023852057418281003noreply@blogger.com